Ukraine

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

You should probably just avoid this thread then. And the New York Times. And anything else in this world that's scary and might ruin your morning. It's a war and it's real life. I'm looking at the picture right now. I won't post it because I'd hate to ruin your afternoon. But take solace in the fact at least it was just your morning that was ruined, not your life like the people in the picture, and basically everyone else in the Ukraine right now. 

I figured this type of post was going to follow Brian's. look, a lot of people are very aware of how horrific it is for the ukrainian people right now, but images like that can be very triggering for a lot of people, especially empaths and people with anxiety. all he said was to give a heads up, or put it behind that spoiler thing. 

shaming someone for admitting they have a hard time handling images of war? really?

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

You should probably just avoid this thread then. And the New York Times. And anything else in this world that's scary and might ruin your morning. It's a war and it's real life. I'm looking at the picture right now. I won't post it because I'd hate to ruin your afternoon. But take solace in the fact at least it was just your morning that was ruined, not your life like the people in the picture, and basically everyone else in the Ukraine right now. 

I figured this type of post was going to follow Brian's. look, a lot of people are very aware of how horrific it is for the ukrainian people right now, but images like that can be very triggering for a lot of people, especially empaths and people with anxiety. all he said was to give a heads up, or put it behind that spoiler thing. 

shaming someone for admitting they have a hard time handling images of war? really?

I think it's obvious Ledbetterman10 hasn't followed this thread much or he would know that I have followed the Ukraine situation very closely, have admitted that my life is relatively cushy, am aware of what death looks like, etc.  Apparently he seems to have a need to be a tough guy.  That kind of tough to me is weak posturing. 

Spiritual_Chaos

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brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

You should probably just avoid this thread then. And the New York Times. And anything else in this world that's scary and might ruin your morning. It's a war and it's real life. I'm looking at the picture right now. I won't post it because I'd hate to ruin your afternoon. But take solace in the fact at least it was just your morning that was ruined, not your life like the people in the picture, and basically everyone else in the Ukraine right now. 

I figured this type of post was going to follow Brian's. look, a lot of people are very aware of how horrific it is for the ukrainian people right now, but images like that can be very triggering for a lot of people, especially empaths and people with anxiety. all he said was to give a heads up, or put it behind that spoiler thing. 

shaming someone for admitting they have a hard time handling images of war? really?

I think it's obvious Ledbetterman10 hasn't followed this thread much or he would know that I have followed the Ukraine situation very closely, have admitted that my life is relatively cushy, am aware of what death looks like, etc.  Apparently he seems to have a need to be a tough guy.  That kind of tough to me is weak posturing. 

I had to look after you posted.  That's an awful picture for sure, I'm not sure how I feel about spoilers on that type of image. I understand the want to avoid being triggered etc, but I also see why these images may need to get to some people (not you Bri) that may be triggered but don't fully understand the situation without seeing these types of images.

Purposefully firing on women and children...kinda makes me agree with Lindsey Graham for once.

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

You should probably just avoid this thread then. And the New York Times. And anything else in this world that's scary and might ruin your morning. It's a war and it's real life. I'm looking at the picture right now. I won't post it because I'd hate to ruin your afternoon. But take solace in the fact at least it was just your morning that was ruined, not your life like the people in the picture, and basically everyone else in the Ukraine right now. 

Yikes

mcgruff10

Jesus that photo made me tear up.  How awful.  When I taught the Holocaust there was this one photo I would show the class but I myself couldn't look at it because it was so powerful; the nytimes photo reminds me of that.  Hopefully something positive comes from it.  

mickeyrat

it seemed to take images of dead refugees , specifically a 3 year old floating face down, for many in the world to realize the gravity of the syrian civil war.

as heart wrenching as these images may be, it seems necessary to me to view them,  all safe and sound as I am in my cushy little life all these thousands of miles away from this conflict.

mickeyrat

@brianlux if I may offer a suggestion. I think nyt has a setting to turn off images. Could be wrong, but its worth exploring. that way your emotional torture in reading the news will be text only....

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

@brianlux if I may offer a suggestion. I think nyt has a setting to turn off images. Could be wrong, but its worth exploring. that way your emotional torture in reading the news will be text only....

To be honest, I am more bothered by jerks and trolls than by pictures of dead bodies.  At least dead people don't give me any shit.

Spiritual_Chaos

Don't post any pictures in here at least. Unless it is Putin awkwardly dying from stepping on a banana peel.

Spiritual_Chaos

Sweden instrumental in yet another peace project

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1500488887898185729?s=20&t=i44FYoYIV_YScFBq63epsQ

HughFreakingDillon

mickeyrat said:

it seemed to take images of dead refugees , specifically a 3 year old floating face down, for many in the world to realize the gravity of the syrian civil war.

as heart wrenching as these images may be, it seems necessary to me to view them,  all safe and sound as I am in my cushy little life all these thousands of miles away from this conflict.

but imagine a veteran or refugee who is easily triggered by images like these that could have a very harmful negative emotional and mental affect. that's why stations put on "the following program may contain disturbing images". it's not cool to ambush people with that. all brian said was to not post it here or at least post a warning prior to. I don't think the response he got was really all that rational. 

mickeyrat

  https://youtu.be/Vc9dlPlOH3Y

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

You should probably just avoid this thread then. And the New York Times. And anything else in this world that's scary and might ruin your morning. It's a war and it's real life. I'm looking at the picture right now. I won't post it because I'd hate to ruin your afternoon. But take solace in the fact at least it was just your morning that was ruined, not your life like the people in the picture, and basically everyone else in the Ukraine right now. 

I figured this type of post was going to follow Brian's. look, a lot of people are very aware of how horrific it is for the ukrainian people right now, but images like that can be very triggering for a lot of people, especially empaths and people with anxiety. all he said was to give a heads up, or put it behind that spoiler thing. 

shaming someone for admitting they have a hard time handling images of war? really?

I think it's obvious Ledbetterman10 hasn't followed this thread much or he would know that I have followed the Ukraine situation very closely, have admitted that my life is relatively cushy, am aware of what death looks like, etc.  Apparently he seems to have a need to be a tough guy.  That kind of tough to me is weak posturing. 

I’m sorry to have heckled your request for a safe space from war images in an online war thread. Images appearing on the front pages of globally-read newspapers like the NYT. 

brianlux

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

You should probably just avoid this thread then. And the New York Times. And anything else in this world that's scary and might ruin your morning. It's a war and it's real life. I'm looking at the picture right now. I won't post it because I'd hate to ruin your afternoon. But take solace in the fact at least it was just your morning that was ruined, not your life like the people in the picture, and basically everyone else in the Ukraine right now. 

I figured this type of post was going to follow Brian's. look, a lot of people are very aware of how horrific it is for the ukrainian people right now, but images like that can be very triggering for a lot of people, especially empaths and people with anxiety. all he said was to give a heads up, or put it behind that spoiler thing. 

shaming someone for admitting they have a hard time handling images of war? really?

I think it's obvious Ledbetterman10 hasn't followed this thread much or he would know that I have followed the Ukraine situation very closely, have admitted that my life is relatively cushy, am aware of what death looks like, etc.  Apparently he seems to have a need to be a tough guy.  That kind of tough to me is weak posturing. 

I’m sorry to have heckled your request for a safe space from war images in an online war thread. Images appearing on the front pages of globally-read newspapers like the NYT. 

Fair enough, thanks.  Let's move on.

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat said:

  https://youtu.be/Vc9dlPlOH3Y

Fuck SNL

mickeyrat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

  https://youtu.be/Vc9dlPlOH3Y

Fuck SNL

its so good they've denied the US access

mace1229

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

Respecting your wishing I won’t post the image. But this conversation made me want to see what you were taking about. 

I think we can talk about it. I knew Russia had been discriminately targeting civilian buildings, but firing on families trying to flee is sickening. 

I assumed most Russian soldiers don’t want to be there. Probably face severe consequences for not following any orders. But orders or not, how could anyone do that in todays world?

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

If you subscribe to NY Times, PLEASE do not post the photo from their cover story on Ukraine without giving a heads up first.  The photo was the first thing I looked at this morning and it is highly disturbing.  It totally ruined my morning.  Yes, I am an entitled, privileged  westerner etc,. etc., I know that, but I am also very aware of what is happening in Ukraine, I've seen death, and I don't need that kind of emotional manipulation first thing in the day.

Thanks.

Respecting your wishing I won’t post the image. But this conversation made me want to see what you were taking about. 

I think we can talk about it. I knew Russia had been discriminately targeting civilian buildings, but firing on families trying to flee is sickening. 

I assumed most Russian soldiers don’t want to be there. Probably face severe consequences for not following any orders. But orders or not, how could anyone do that in todays world?

Oh yes, for sure we can talk about it.  And I do understand the power of images.  Perhaps there are people that need to see these things to understand the magnitude of the horrendous nature of what Putin is doing to Ukraine.  What I would hope for is a heads up like we see in videos- somethings along the lines of, "Contents of photos may be disturbing to some."  But this was front page, no warning.  Let me at least have a cup of coffee and a heads up.  Then I'm ready for whatever is out there.  I know how horrendous it is.  I don't need shock therapy.  I'm already doing my part by learning what I can, disseminating information, sending money (and not just a token). 

Excellent point about the Russian soldiers. Mace.  My empathy goes out the most to the Ukrainian people, but I also feel very bad for these young Russian soldiers, many who were sent out without any idea of what they were getting into.  Many who will die horrible deaths and leave their families in terrible grief.  I also feel bad for the average Russian citizen whose hard work and life saving just went down the toilet.  Who are stuck with living under an evil regime.

Some of the things I will say here are not pleasant:

Back in the 80's, I met a young Russian man who was working in the Sates as an interpreter during the collapse of the USSR.  He and another friend of mine and I went out to an all-night coffee shop and talked until the early morning hours.  God, the things he told me- like being given the choice of enlisting in the Russian army or being put in an insane asylum.  He was not at all crazy- quite brilliant and very together, in fact- it was just their way of trying to conscript him.  He was a pacifist so chose the asylum.  They did horrible experiments on him including injecting him with olive oil to see what would happen.  He described the horrible pain he had to endure, an incredible form of torture.  By confiding in me and telling me these things, he put his very freedom and well being at.  But this was his once chance to share with an American some of the things that were going on in that country at the time.

So imagine what hell it is like there now? We would do well to be very aware of how lucky most of us are and how difficult it must be for the average Russian citizen, especially those thousands who are being detained and jailed for courageously speaking out against the Ukraine invasion.

This is a world of hell and tortures we are living in.  I don't think we have a clue how fortunate most of us are.  I can only vaguely imagine. 

HughFreakingDillon

Jesus Brian. That’s a crazy story I picture in a film noir with saxophone playing in the background and the guy from The Big Lebowsi narrating.