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JD clearly baited trump into becoming a belligerent asshole there. I watched the whole sickening 50 minutes. Trump barely pushed back on anything Z said until JD activated the orange moron’s kiss the ring meter. All was fine until that bozo realized Z wasn’t bowing down to him.We have Nelson Muntz at the helm of what could end up being a world war at worst, the destruction of Ukraine at BEST. AT BEST. Thanks america.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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trump hit him up as soon as he got out of his car...said something about his attire. Then that fuckhead in the oval chimes in...real condescending tooHughFreakingDillon said:Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .
Clearly a planned hit.
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No one cares. We are performative activists posting on social media, band's forums, etc, cosplaying as Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, Greta Thunberg and "Tank Man" from Tiananmen Square. We have our yards to keep up, kid's soccer games to attend and several streaming services to watch.Zod said:dasvidana said:so disgusted with our country for voting for these fools. We have truly lost our way as Americans. I hope the world will eventually forgive us.A big part of that, is probably how much worse it gets, and if the U.S. will actually be able change direction in the future.Up here in Canada, most of us are pretty concerned about becoming the next Ukraine. That video yesterday was brutal.A large portion of America supports what's going on, and the rest just say they're sorry, which won't feel great if there's an effort to weaken us through economic force followed by annexation/invasion :(I'm kind of shocked there's not bigger push back in the US like mega protests and civil unrest. Dude's systematically hacking government, anything that would check/balance what the executive branch is doing, controlling the narrative/media, and the good half of America thinks they can wait 2 or 4 years for fair and equitable elections?
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The reporter that asked that is from OAN or the like, and is the bf of MTG. No joke.HughFreakingDillon said:Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .0 -
mrussel1 said:
Two questions for you:shadowcast said:
The US is in a proxy war in Ukraine and Ukraine is getting destroyed as a result of it along with a lot of death. The people of Donbas had an election to become independent and the US staged a coup. Besides WW2 when was the last time we were involved in a war and the country turned out ok?mrussel1 said:
Again, ignorance. They were fighting Russian separatists in the region.shadowcast said:
1. Do you believe the Ukrainian citizens are against this war (think Kiev, Karkhiv, Dnipro, etc, not Donbas) and would prefer to be a vassal state of Russia? Or do you think they want to be independent, therefore they are fighting a war? Remember the Russians have pushed well past Donbas and wanted Kiev. So don't act like this is just about Donbas. If it was, the Russians could have just fortified the east exactly like they did Crimea.
2. Why do you think that a region in a country can just vote to make themselves independent? Would we allow that to happen? Would Canada allow Quebec to break-away? In what world do you live in where that could happen? Yes Donbas is primarily Russian speaking, but that was because of the massive emigration over the past 30 years. If they want to be Russian, go back to Russia. Ukraine should not ever just let them secede, and then take up arms against Kiev.
It's just amazing how you can think this way without drawing any comparatives to the rest of the West and how it/we would react to these very situations. I might remind you that no...we would not let a region just secede. Let me know if you need the exact situation where that was attempted.
I just want to point out that yes, Canada would 100% allow Quebec to vote for its independence and break away. It has already happened twice, and a third time is never off the table. So far, Quebecers have narrowly (once VERY narrowly) voted to stay a part of Canada. Canadians were glad it went that way, but we were and are prepared for Quebec to choose its own destiny.
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HughFreakingDillon said:Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .President Zelenskyy showed up in London 24 hours later and was given a well deserved royal welcome. Neither of these gentlemen gave the other any guff about clothing. Right on, UK!
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brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .President Zelenskyy showed up in London 24 hours later and was given a well deserved royal welcome. Neither of these gentlemen gave the other any guff about clothing. Right on, UK!
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You can wear hats and T-Shirts if it's on brand propaganda or you've already got your lips on Trump's ass.Bentleyspop said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .President Zelenskyy showed up in London 24 hours later and was given a well deserved royal welcome. Neither of these gentlemen gave the other any guff about clothing. Right on, UK!It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Bentleyspop said:brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:Who was that fucking moron who asked about the suit? “Many Americans are bothered by your dress”. If that’s their big concern, the propaganda machine has clearly worked .President Zelenskyy showed up in London 24 hours later and was given a well deserved royal welcome. Neither of these gentlemen gave the other any guff about clothing. Right on, UK!
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I’m sure they’d counter with “he’s not president” or “it wasn’t during official meetings” or some shit. Hypocrisy doesn’t matter to these slugs.I like how Zelenskyy dresses like a man of the people. Something that can’t be understood by the elite-but-not-elite maga bullies that put themselves above the common man.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Quebec was obviously allowed to hold those referendums. But even if a yes vote went through, leaving would ne contingent on an economic agreement with Canada. I imagine this might be what he’s referring to us not letting them leave. We’d likely make it extremely difficult for them to leave.PJ_Soul said:mrussel1 said:
Two questions for you:shadowcast said:
The US is in a proxy war in Ukraine and Ukraine is getting destroyed as a result of it along with a lot of death. The people of Donbas had an election to become independent and the US staged a coup. Besides WW2 when was the last time we were involved in a war and the country turned out ok?mrussel1 said:
Again, ignorance. They were fighting Russian separatists in the region.shadowcast said:
1. Do you believe the Ukrainian citizens are against this war (think Kiev, Karkhiv, Dnipro, etc, not Donbas) and would prefer to be a vassal state of Russia? Or do you think they want to be independent, therefore they are fighting a war? Remember the Russians have pushed well past Donbas and wanted Kiev. So don't act like this is just about Donbas. If it was, the Russians could have just fortified the east exactly like they did Crimea.
2. Why do you think that a region in a country can just vote to make themselves independent? Would we allow that to happen? Would Canada allow Quebec to break-away? In what world do you live in where that could happen? Yes Donbas is primarily Russian speaking, but that was because of the massive emigration over the past 30 years. If they want to be Russian, go back to Russia. Ukraine should not ever just let them secede, and then take up arms against Kiev.
It's just amazing how you can think this way without drawing any comparatives to the rest of the West and how it/we would react to these very situations. I might remind you that no...we would not let a region just secede. Let me know if you need the exact situation where that was attempted.
I just want to point out that yes, Canada would 100% allow Quebec to vote for its independence and break away. It has already happened twice, and a third time is never off the table. So far, Quebecers have narrowly (once VERY narrowly) voted to stay a part of Canada. Canadians were glad it went that way, but we were and are prepared for Quebec to choose its own destiny.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
Quebec was obviously allowed to hold those referendums. But even if a yes vote went through, leaving would ne contingent on an economic agreement with Canada. I imagine this might be what he’s referring to us not letting them leave. We’d likely make it extremely difficult for them to leave.PJ_Soul said:mrussel1 said:
Two questions for you:shadowcast said:
The US is in a proxy war in Ukraine and Ukraine is getting destroyed as a result of it along with a lot of death. The people of Donbas had an election to become independent and the US staged a coup. Besides WW2 when was the last time we were involved in a war and the country turned out ok?mrussel1 said:
Again, ignorance. They were fighting Russian separatists in the region.shadowcast said:
1. Do you believe the Ukrainian citizens are against this war (think Kiev, Karkhiv, Dnipro, etc, not Donbas) and would prefer to be a vassal state of Russia? Or do you think they want to be independent, therefore they are fighting a war? Remember the Russians have pushed well past Donbas and wanted Kiev. So don't act like this is just about Donbas. If it was, the Russians could have just fortified the east exactly like they did Crimea.
2. Why do you think that a region in a country can just vote to make themselves independent? Would we allow that to happen? Would Canada allow Quebec to break-away? In what world do you live in where that could happen? Yes Donbas is primarily Russian speaking, but that was because of the massive emigration over the past 30 years. If they want to be Russian, go back to Russia. Ukraine should not ever just let them secede, and then take up arms against Kiev.
It's just amazing how you can think this way without drawing any comparatives to the rest of the West and how it/we would react to these very situations. I might remind you that no...we would not let a region just secede. Let me know if you need the exact situation where that was attempted.
I just want to point out that yes, Canada would 100% allow Quebec to vote for its independence and break away. It has already happened twice, and a third time is never off the table. So far, Quebecers have narrowly (once VERY narrowly) voted to stay a part of Canada. Canadians were glad it went that way, but we were and are prepared for Quebec to choose its own destiny.
I don't agree with that at all. Quebec would make it extremely difficult for itself by leaving, but I absolutely don't think Canada would go out of its way to make it even harder for them. I don't think there has ever been anything to even come close to indicating that it would. It would only benefit the new form of Canada to cooperate closely with a new nation of Quebec and nothing has ever suggested otherwise. All that's been made very clear is that Canada very much wants to remain united. If it didn't Canada woukd have to be cooperqtove given the geographical realities of an independent Quebec. Of course, let's hope we never get to prove who's right. Luckily, this issue isn't a major point of debate at the moment.
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I'm all for political leaders wearing business attire on the job but, unlike Trump, Zelenskyy's current situation doesn't allow him to sit around on his ass in his office issuing proclamations. He's president of a country that's a war zone. He's running around from the front lines to foreign capitals desperately trying to save his country.HughFreakingDillon said:I’m sure they’d counter with “he’s not president” or “it wasn’t during official meetings” or some shit. Hypocrisy doesn’t matter to these slugs.I like how Zelenskyy dresses like a man of the people. Something that can’t be understood by the elite-but-not-elite maga bullies that put themselves above the common man.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
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An intriguing analysis has been circulating online regarding the psychological aspects of Zelensky’s meeting with Trump and Vance, conducted using ChatGPT.
From this analysis, it becomes evident that we have witnessed a true masterclass in gaslighting, manipulation, and coercion on the part of Trump and his entourage. Let’s break down the key points:
1. Blaming the victim for their own situation
Trump explicitly tells Zelensky: “You have allowed yourself to be in a very bad position.” This is classic abuser rhetoric—blaming the victim for their suffering. The implication is that Ukraine itself is responsible for being occupied by Russia and for the deaths of its people.
2. Pressure and coercion into ‘gratitude’
Vance demands that Zelensky say “thank you.” This is an extremely toxic tactic—forcing the victim to express gratitude for the help they desperately need, only to later accuse them of ingratitude if they attempt to assert their rights.
3. Manipulating the concept of ‘peace’
Trump claims that Zelensky is “not ready for peace.” However, what he actually means is Ukraine’s capitulation. This is a classic manipulation technique—substituting the idea of a just peace with the notion of surrender.
4. Refusing to acknowledge the reality of war
Trump repeatedly insists that Zelensky has “no cards to play” and that “without us, you have nothing.” This is yet another abusive tactic—undermining the victim’s efforts by asserting that they are powerless without the mercy of their ‘saviour.’
5. Devaluing the victims of war
“If you get a ceasefire, you must accept it so that bullets stop flying and your people stop dying,” Trump says. Yet, he ignores the fact that a ceasefire without guarantees is merely an opportunity for Russia to regroup and strike again.
6. Dominance tactics
Trump constantly interrupts Zelensky, cutting him off: “No, no, you’ve already said enough,” and “You’re not in a position to dictate to us.” This is deliberate psychological pressure designed to establish a hierarchy in which Zelensky is the subordinate.
7. Forcing capitulation under the guise of ‘diplomacy’
Vance asserts that “the path to peace lies through diplomacy.” This is a classic strategy where the aggressor is given the opportunity to continue their aggression unchallenged.
8. Projection and distortion of reality
Trump declares: “You are playing with the lives of millions of people.” Yet, in reality, it is he who is doing exactly that—shifting responsibility onto Zelensky.
9. Creating the illusion that Ukraine ‘owes’ the US
Yes, the US is assisting Ukraine, but presenting this aid as “you must obey, or you will receive nothing” is not a partnership—it is financial and military coercion.
10. Undermining Ukraine’s resistance
Trump states that “if it weren’t for our weapons, this war would have ended in two weeks.” This is an attempt to erase Ukraine’s achievements and portray its efforts as entirely dependent on US support.
Conclusion
Trump and his team employed the full spectrum of abusive tactics: gaslighting, victim-blaming, coercion into gratitude, and manipulation of the concepts of peace and diplomacy. This was not a negotiation—it was an attempt to force Zelensky into accepting terms beneficial to the US but potentially fatal for Ukraine._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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