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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,380
    Believe its referring to Ukraine so here it goes....


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,132
    War over yet? Repeated his stupidity in front of Macron yesterday where it should have been over in a week. Well, COOTWH, it’s been a month under your watch and it’s still raging. Idiot.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    War over yet? Repeated his stupidity in front of Macron yesterday where it should have been over in a week. Well, COOTWH, it’s been a month under your watch and it’s still raging. Idiot.
    He's busy extorting money to hurt the Ukrainian people who need to rebuild.  
  • mickeyrat
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    NEW: Russia formally rejects any proposal for a ceasefire that doesn’t include the complete capitulation of Ukraine and the west.

    Russian officials also requested Ukrainian troops withdraw from territory currently in Ukrainian control as a “compromise”.

    The reduction of the Ukrainian military to 100,000 or less and a complete abandonment of NATO membership are also requested.

    “The art of the deal”

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  • mickeyrat
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    BREAKING: The Trump administration and the Ukrainian government have reached a deal designed to allow the U.S. to tap some of Ukraine's immense mineral wealth and to spur post-war development in the country, two sources close to the Ukrainian government told Axios.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    everything is a quid pro quo. what happened to just helping your friends. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,380
    everything is a quid pro quo. what happened to just helping your friends. 

    a post from abc suggested it was with more favorable terms for ukraine and a way to strengthen ties.....

    I think its clear Zelensky is on the ball....
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,380
    mickeyrat said:
    everything is a quid pro quo. what happened to just helping your friends. 

    a post from abc suggested it was with more favorable terms for ukraine and a way to strengthen ties.....

    I think its clear Zelensky is on the ball....

    will wait for the signing and what Zelensky says it is.....


    REPORTER: With Ukraine and this mineral deal, what does Ukraine get in return, mister president?

    TRUMP: $350 Billion dollars and lots of equipment and military equipment and the right to fight on and, originally, the right to fight.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Extortion from criminal thugs.

    The world is watching and we won't forget.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dignin said:
    Extortion from criminal thugs.

    The world is watching and we won't forget.
    I agree to an extent.  If we are going to continue providing military support then fine.  We know Trump is all about what's in it for him.  Expect nothing less from a mob boss.  My focus is Ukraine maintaining it independence.  
  • mickeyrat
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    “I won’t agree to even a 10-cent debt repayment in this deal with the US. It’s not about a lack of gratitude—we are grateful. But this was a grant,” — Zelensky commented on the rare earth deal in a Wednesday press conference.

    “There is no $500 billion debt in the agreement with the US — nor $350 billion, nor $100 billion. That would be unfair to us,” he added.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mickeyrat said:


    “I won’t agree to even a 10-cent debt repayment in this deal with the US. It’s not about a lack of gratitude—we are grateful. But this was a grant,” — Zelensky commented on the rare earth deal in a Wednesday press conference.

    “There is no $500 billion debt in the agreement with the US — nor $350 billion, nor $100 billion. That would be unfair to us,” he added.
    I understand why he is saying this …. But it’s not going to have the effect he is hoping for.  This is a political blunder 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Setting the known stupidity of trump aside...what is the advantage of trump continuing to repeat that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO?

    Why wouldn't the leader of the US want Ukraine in there? I understand the Putin angle...but it would seem that trump would make those moves behind the scenes rather than publicly.
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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:


    “I won’t agree to even a 10-cent debt repayment in this deal with the US. It’s not about a lack of gratitude—we are grateful. But this was a grant,” — Zelensky commented on the rare earth deal in a Wednesday press conference.

    “There is no $500 billion debt in the agreement with the US — nor $350 billion, nor $100 billion. That would be unfair to us,” he added.
    I understand why he is saying this …. But it’s not going to have the effect he is hoping for.  This is a political blunder 
    He's likely positioning it that it's not a repayment for the funds expended, but it will be signed as part of a security agreement and rebuilding.  At least I hope that will be the position.  Nothing works without ongoing military support and/or security assurances.  
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    Setting the known stupidity of trump aside...what is the advantage of trump continuing to repeat that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO?

    Why wouldn't the leader of the US want Ukraine in there? I understand the Putin angle...but it would seem that trump would make those moves behind the scenes rather than publicly.
    A. He does what his RUssian handlers tell him
    B. He has no clue how to make behind the scenes moves.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Wait, could it be possible that Z is outsmarting the POTUS on this one?  According to S&P, the rare materials are based on geological surveys from the Soviets in the 60s and 80's, they are very difficult to extract, and...ironically, the vast majority are in the east, in Russian-occupied territory.  So the US would have to support the removal of the Russians and likely finance the extraction, which is a benefit to Ukraine.  That all assumes they even exist. 

    https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/news-insights/articles/2025/2/ukraine-rare-earths-potential-relies-on-soviet-assessments-may-not-be-viable-87318842
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,132
    Seems like the war will be over this afternoon, right?
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  • Gern Blansten
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    I wonder if Putin thinks that escalating the war and making a fool out of trump is beneficial at this point. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I wonder if Putin thinks that escalating the war and making a fool out of trump is beneficial at this point. 
    All he’d need to do is text a snip of the film he has. Or recording of the conversation about the millions soon to be dumped into COOTWH real estate condos in Flo Rida, circa 2013-2015.

    Putin on the ritz says, bark, COOTWH says, how loud?
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited February 26
    I wonder if Putin thinks that escalating the war and making a fool out of trump is beneficial at this point. 
    All he’d need to do is text a snip of the film he has. Or recording of the conversation about the millions soon to be dumped into COOTWH real estate condos in Flo Rida, circa 2013-2015.

    Putin on the ritz says, bark, COOTWH says, how loud?

    but those condos go on the open market.
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