Ukraine

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-iran-jake-sullivan-4a9f1b2749893d8f1ed9f039869cf119

myoung321

Ukraine should have just given up the Donbas, it would have saved time, money, and most importantly lives..  When it's all said and done that will be the reality, Russia will annex it, which is what the majority of citizens (which are Russian speaking) there want anyways.

Another war to help out the poor weapons manufacturers.... after pulling out of Afghanistan, we had to find another place to dump weapons.

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

Ukraine should have just given up the Donbas, it would have saved time, money, and most importantly lives..  When it's all said and done that will be the reality, Russia will annex it, which is what the majority of citizens (which are Russian speaking) there want anyways.

Another war to help out the poor weapons manufacturers.... after pulling out of Afghanistan, we had to find another place to dump weapons.

Edit to not be a dick.

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

Ukraine should have just given up the Donbas, it would have saved time, money, and most importantly lives..  When it's all said and done that will be the reality, Russia will annex it, which is what the majority of citizens (which are Russian speaking) there want anyways.

Another war to help out the poor weapons manufacturers.... after pulling out of Afghanistan, we had to find another place to dump weapons.

Strategically, you cannot give up the Donbas without a fight, regardless of whether you think you can win and hold it.  If you do, then they are that much stronger when they move onto Khakiv and Kiev.  Then the next thing you know, you've lost control of the Sea of Azov and then subsequently the Dnieper.  And when that happens, you've lost key abilities for international commerce.  Considering that Ukraine controls 30% of the world's highest quality grain, well now  Russia has Ukraine and the whole world by the balls with its control of key oil and now farming resources.  

And this is to say nothing about how that feeds into Putin's desire to rebuild the Soviet Empire.  We should at least learn something from the Munich Agreement.  

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

Ukraine should have just given up the Donbas, it would have saved time, money, and most importantly lives..  When it's all said and done that will be the reality, Russia will annex it, which is what the majority of citizens (which are Russian speaking) there want anyways.

Another war to help out the poor weapons manufacturers.... after pulling out of Afghanistan, we had to find another place to dump weapons.

Strategically, you cannot give up the Donbas without a fight, regardless of whether you think you can win and hold it.  If you do, then they are that much stronger when they move onto Khakiv and Kiev.  Then the next thing you know, you've lost control of the Sea of Azov and then subsequently the Dnieper.  And when that happens, you've lost key abilities for international commerce.  Considering that Ukraine controls 30% of the world's highest quality grain, well now  Russia has Ukraine and the whole world by the balls with its control of key oil and now farming resources.  

And this is to say nothing about how that feeds into Putin's desire to rebuild the Soviet Empire.  We should at least learn something from the Munich Agreement.  

Very true. Can’t give Putin land that is not his without a fight. Problem is, we did these sanctions which gives Russia more money thru higher oil prices. Is there a way to do this without giving Putin more money? 

Perhaps they should not have done the oil and gas embargo. Perhaps an oil price cap on their exports should have been the first step?

mrussel1

NATO,  fuck yeah. 

eeriepadave

erebus said:

Brittney Griner, WNBA star arrested on “drug” charges in Russia, could face 10 years in prison

sentenced to nine years in prison

cutz

eeriepadave said:

erebus said:

Brittney Griner, WNBA star arrested on “drug” charges in Russia, could face 10 years in prison

sentenced to nine years in prison

And, did I read/heard that right:

 that she had less then a Gram? If so, they really scrapped her vape cartridges? 

OnWis97

cutz said:

eeriepadave said:

erebus said:

Brittney Griner, WNBA star arrested on “drug” charges in Russia, could face 10 years in prison

sentenced to nine years in prison

And, did I read/heard that right:

 that she had less then a Gram? If so, they really scrapped her vape cartridges? 

Yeah...Essentially a kidnapping.

static111

OnWis97 said:

cutz said:

eeriepadave said:

erebus said:

Brittney Griner, WNBA star arrested on “drug” charges in Russia, could face 10 years in prison

sentenced to nine years in prison

And, did I read/heard that right:

 that she had less then a Gram? If so, they really scrapped her vape cartridges? 

Yeah...Essentially a kidnapping.

Maybe this will also get us to look inwardly at our draconian marijuana possesion laws and the hundreds of thousands we incarcerated here at the state and federal levels for similar small possesions.  Bring Brittney home and reform our stupid drug laws!

cutz

OnWis97 said:

cutz said:

eeriepadave said:

erebus said:

Brittney Griner, WNBA star arrested on “drug” charges in Russia, could face 10 years in prison

sentenced to nine years in prison

And, did I read/heard that right:

 that she had less then a Gram? If so, they really scrapped her vape cartridges? 

Yeah...Essentially a kidnapping.

Sure seems that is the case here. 

I saw on the News who had a politician on who's trying to bring her, and others, and he said if a Russian was caught with what she had it's only a Fine.

cutz

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

cutz said:

eeriepadave said:

erebus said:

Brittney Griner, WNBA star arrested on “drug” charges in Russia, could face 10 years in prison

sentenced to nine years in prison

And, did I read/heard that right:

 that she had less then a Gram? If so, they really scrapped her vape cartridges? 

Yeah...Essentially a kidnapping.

Maybe this will also get us to look inwardly at our draconian marijuana possesion laws and the hundreds of thousands we incarcerated here at the state and federal levels for similar small possesions.  Bring Brittney home and reform our stupid drug laws!

Let's HOPE so, for both.

gimmesometruth27

i have not seen so much knuckle dragging and racism in the comments section as i have in the comments sections of some of these articles relating to the griner case.

these people are applauding that she was not only convicted, but will spend 9 years in a russian jail. 

it is really, really sad.

gimmesometruth27

and the people commenting are supposed to be proud americans and patriots.

an american should want to bring her home because she got railroaded because putin is mad that trump is not the president. this is a huge injustice.

nicknyr15

gimmesometruth27 said:

i have not seen so much knuckle dragging and racism in the comments section as i have in the comments sections of some of these articles relating to the griner case.

these people are applauding that she was not only convicted, but will spend 9 years in a russian jail. 

it is really, really sad.

Literally makes no sense. I can’t believe this has become political. Wait….. yes I can. 

brianlux

The situation with the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station is totally unnerving to me, yet it seems to not be getting much in the way of headlines.  Is it not as bad as I think, or are news media afraid to talk about it?  What the hell?

mickeyrat

"obey the no smoking signs....."

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-dnipropetrovsk-58070c83ccd66b46f6f9bdfbb18a1fec

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-crimea-81a08f492db4683275d4aa3928cb3c43

 

Ukraine says 9 Russian warplanes destroyed in Crimea blasts

By SUSIE BLANN

52 mins ago

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine's air force said Wednesday that nine Russian warplanes were destroyed in a deadly string of explosions at an air base in Crimea, amid speculation the blasts were the result of a Ukrainian attack that would represent a significant escalation in the war.

Russia denied any aircraft were damaged in Tuesday's blasts — or that any attack took place.

Ukrainian officials stopped short of publicly claiming responsibility for the explosions, while mocking Russia’s explanation that a careless smoker might have caused ammunition at the Saki air base to catch fire and blow up. Analysts also said that explanation doesn’t make sense and that the Ukrainians could have used anti-ship missiles to strike the base.

If Ukrainian forces were, in fact, responsible for the blasts, it would be the first known major attack on a Russian military site on the Crimean Peninsula, which was seized from Ukraine by the Kremlin in 2014. Russian warplanes have used Saki to strike areas in Ukraine’s south.

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mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-crimea-95e3c4bae138c431dce24a538daa9370

 

Explosions rock Crimea in suspected Ukrainian attack

By PAUL BYRNE

2 hours ago

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Explosions and fires ripped through an ammunition depot in Russia-annexed Crimea on Tuesday in the second suspected Ukrainian attack on the peninsula in just over a week, forcing the evacuation of more than 3,000 people.

Russia blamed the blasts in the village of Mayskoye on an “act of sabotage,” without naming the perpetrators.

Separately, the Russian business newspaper Kommersant quoted residents as saying plumes of black smoke also rose over an air base in Crimea’s Gvardeyskoye.

Ukraine stopped short of publicly claiming responsibility for any of the blasts, including those that destroyed nine Russian planes at another Crimean air base last week. Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and has used it to launch attacks against the country in the war that began nearly six months ago.

In another reported act of sabotage, Russia’s Tass news agency quoted the FSB security agency as saying Ukrainian operatives blew up six high-voltage transmission towers earlier this month in Russia's Kursk region, close to Ukraine.

If Ukrainian forces were behind the explosions in Crimea, that would represent a significant escalation in the war. Such attacks could also indicate that Ukrainian operatives are able to penetrate deeply into Russian-occupied territory, supplementing attempts to weaken Moscow's forces on the front lines.

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mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-crimea-95e3c4bae138c431dce24a538daa9370

 

Explosions rock Crimea in suspected Ukrainian attack

By PAUL BYRNE

2 hours ago

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Explosions and fires ripped through an ammunition depot in Russia-annexed Crimea on Tuesday in the second suspected Ukrainian attack on the peninsula in just over a week, forcing the evacuation of more than 3,000 people.

Russia blamed the blasts in the village of Mayskoye on an “act of sabotage,” without naming the perpetrators.

Separately, the Russian business newspaper Kommersant quoted residents as saying plumes of black smoke also rose over an air base in Crimea’s Gvardeyskoye.

Ukraine stopped short of publicly claiming responsibility for any of the blasts, including those that destroyed nine Russian planes at another Crimean air base last week. Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and has used it to launch attacks against the country in the war that began nearly six months ago.

In another reported act of sabotage, Russia’s Tass news agency quoted the FSB security agency as saying Ukrainian operatives blew up six high-voltage transmission towers earlier this month in Russia's Kursk region, close to Ukraine.

If Ukrainian forces were behind the explosions in Crimea, that would represent a significant escalation in the war. Such attacks could also indicate that Ukrainian operatives are able to penetrate deeply into Russian-occupied territory, supplementing attempts to weaken Moscow's forces on the front lines.

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HIMARS is changing the war.