Kyrsten Sinema

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

So - everyone upset that the republicans all stick together and don’t vote their individual beliefs….

then they get upset when someone votes their individual beliefs instead of towing the party line….

I think this better applies to Manchin. There's something different about her. The big thumbs-down to the minimum wage, for example. Manchin is what he is; a conservative Democrat who is nervous about his conservative state. Yeah, her state is conservative, too but as someone mentioned above, she almost seems to be trolling. She seems to be reveling in it and she seems to have changed.

I would not be surprised to find out someone got to her with either a threat or a bribe.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

So - everyone upset that the republicans all stick together and don’t vote their individual beliefs….

then they get upset when someone votes their individual beliefs instead of towing the party line….

You really think she's acting in good faith? 

Meltdown99

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - everyone upset that the republicans all stick together and don’t vote their individual beliefs….

then they get upset when someone votes their individual beliefs instead of towing the party line….

I think this better applies to Manchin. There's something different about her. The big thumbs-down to the minimum wage, for example. Manchin is what he is; a conservative Democrat who is nervous about his conservative state. Yeah, her state is conservative, too but as someone mentioned above, she almost seems to be trolling. She seems to be reveling in it and she seems to have changed.

I would not be surprised to find out someone got to her with either a threat or a bribe.

You really think that someone threatened or bribed her?  I’d imagine that’s a serious crime, that would come with serious jail time…all that in system that only benefits well to do people, mostly white folks…

brianlux

Kat said:

We don't need a thread about a politician's fashion choices. Close this one?

Only if we can't get away from the fashion aspect of this politician.  I did mention that I prefer politicians to appear professional, but that is not the issue here.    The issue is that this is a politician who has used her position to draw attention to herself and has betrayed positions she has supposedly stood for in the past.

I don't have much more to say on the topic at this point.   Yes, I am becoming very cynical about our political system.  Sorry for the negativity!

OnWis97

Meltdown99 said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - everyone upset that the republicans all stick together and don’t vote their individual beliefs….

then they get upset when someone votes their individual beliefs instead of towing the party line….

I think this better applies to Manchin. There's something different about her. The big thumbs-down to the minimum wage, for example. Manchin is what he is; a conservative Democrat who is nervous about his conservative state. Yeah, her state is conservative, too but as someone mentioned above, she almost seems to be trolling. She seems to be reveling in it and she seems to have changed.

I would not be surprised to find out someone got to her with either a threat or a bribe.

You really think that someone threatened or bribed her?  I’d imagine that’s a serious crime, that would come with serious jail time…all that in system that only benefits well to do people, mostly white folks…

Why did Justice Kennedy retire so abruptly? I don't know. I think it's possible. But I don't pretend to know anything.

Meltdown99

OnWis97 said:

Meltdown99 said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

So - everyone upset that the republicans all stick together and don’t vote their individual beliefs….

then they get upset when someone votes their individual beliefs instead of towing the party line….

I think this better applies to Manchin. There's something different about her. The big thumbs-down to the minimum wage, for example. Manchin is what he is; a conservative Democrat who is nervous about his conservative state. Yeah, her state is conservative, too but as someone mentioned above, she almost seems to be trolling. She seems to be reveling in it and she seems to have changed.

I would not be surprised to find out someone got to her with either a threat or a bribe.

You really think that someone threatened or bribed her?  I’d imagine that’s a serious crime, that would come with serious jail time…all that in system that only benefits well to do people, mostly white folks…

Why did Justice Kennedy retire so abruptly? I don't know. I think it's possible. But I don't pretend to know anything.

I’m partly being sarcastic.  Well to do white folks will do whatever it takes to stay well to do, including using threats and bribes.  And a huge reason I don’t trust politics/politicians is because there is to much money in it…

cutz

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

brianlux

cutz said:

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

Again, one of the key issues here is lack of professionalism. 

How do win voters over?  Apparently, more and more its about appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Americans don't want intelligent, clear thinking, responsible politicians.  They was ditzy Twitter stars and teenage Facebook actors. 

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

cutz said:

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

Again, one of the key issues here is lack of professionalism. 

How do win voters over?  Apparently, more and more its about appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Americans don't want intelligent, clear thinking, responsible politicians.  They was ditzy Twitter stars and teenage Facebook actors. 

Don't forget the Tik Tok'ers, Brian. Don't forget the Tik Tok'ers.

brianlux

Halifax2TheMax said:

brianlux said:

cutz said:

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

Again, one of the key issues here is lack of professionalism. 

How do win voters over?  Apparently, more and more its about appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Americans don't want intelligent, clear thinking, responsible politicians.  They was ditzy Twitter stars and teenage Facebook actors. 

Don't forget the Tik Tok'ers, Brian. Don't forget the Tik Tok'ers.

No doubt, my friend, although I must admit I have never even looked at Tik Tok.  Enough social media already, lol!

Merkin Baller

brianlux said:

cutz said:

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

Again, one of the key issues here is lack of professionalism. 

How do win voters over?  Apparently, more and more its about appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Americans don't want intelligent, clear thinking, responsible politicians.  They was ditzy Twitter stars and teenage Facebook actors. 

The little knee bend is a nice touch. 

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

cutz said:

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

Again, one of the key issues here is lack of professionalism. 

How do win voters over?  Apparently, more and more its about appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Americans don't want intelligent, clear thinking, responsible politicians.  They was ditzy Twitter stars and teenage Facebook actors. 

The little knee bend is a nice touch. 

I think they call it a "curtsy?"

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

brianlux said:

cutz said:

Merkin Baller said:

Even better, there’s a gif of her vote… she’s quite the lady: 

Childish? 

Again, one of the key issues here is lack of professionalism. 

How do win voters over?  Apparently, more and more its about appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Americans don't want intelligent, clear thinking, responsible politicians.  They was ditzy Twitter stars and teenage Facebook actors. 

Don't forget the Tik Tok'ers, Brian. Don't forget the Tik Tok'ers.

No doubt, my friend, although I must admit I have never even looked at Tik Tok.  Enough social media already, lol!

TikTok is very entertaining....highly recommend it

gimmesometruth27

she does not remember coming out as bisexual on the senate floor. funny. that seems like something someone would remember doing.

also when she was in the green party she claimed no religious affiliation. she was sworn in on the constitution not the bible. yet, yesterday in her speech on the floor she was wearing a cross around her neck.

she is appealing to republicans and moderates to her right. 

also, she believes she can be the great bipartisan uniter for a presidential bid. i hate to burst her bubble, but she ain't ever gonna be president.

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

she does not remember coming out as bisexual on the senate floor. funny. that seems like something someone would remember doing.

also when she was in the green party she claimed no religious affiliation. she was sworn in on the constitution not the bible. yet, yesterday in her speech on the floor she was wearing a cross around her neck.

she is appealing to republicans and moderates to her right. 

also, she believes she can be the great bipartisan uniter for a presidential bid. i hate to burst her bubble, but she ain't ever gonna be president.

Do burst that bubble, buddy, burst it good!   

bootlegger10

brianlux said:

With much more serious issues at stake, I don't place a huge amount of emphasis on fashion, but I will say I think law makers who are serious about there work are going to make an effort to look professional.   That is becoming less and less a thing these days.  I'm rather conservative about this issue.  I think, for example, that it is very tacky to see people boarding airplanes wearing flip flops and shorts.  I can't help put think, "Have some self-respect people".

But more importantly, here's the thing:  like Hobbes and JLGardell said (thank you, both), this is a lawmaker who is backsliding on important issues and turning her back those who want fair voting practices.  Like her tacking fashion bullshit, she is drawing attention to herself, inflating her ego, making a splash as it were.  Who knows, maybe she will decide to throw in her lot with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Fine.  Go suck eggs, traitor.

Ha.  Would you think differently if you got on a grayhound bus from Sacramento to LA and someone was wearing shorts and flipflops?   An airplane is just a bus that travels in the air instead of on a road.

brianlux

bootlegger10 said:

brianlux said:

With much more serious issues at stake, I don't place a huge amount of emphasis on fashion, but I will say I think law makers who are serious about there work are going to make an effort to look professional.   That is becoming less and less a thing these days.  I'm rather conservative about this issue.  I think, for example, that it is very tacky to see people boarding airplanes wearing flip flops and shorts.  I can't help put think, "Have some self-respect people".

But more importantly, here's the thing:  like Hobbes and JLGardell said (thank you, both), this is a lawmaker who is backsliding on important issues and turning her back those who want fair voting practices.  Like her tacking fashion bullshit, she is drawing attention to herself, inflating her ego, making a splash as it were.  Who knows, maybe she will decide to throw in her lot with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Fine.  Go suck eggs, traitor.

Ha.  Would you think differently if you got on a grayhound bus from Sacramento to LA and someone was wearing shorts and flipflops?   An airplane is just a bus that travels in the air instead of on a road.

I've taken the bus.  No, honestly, I would never wear flip flops and shorts on a bus.  I don't dress in public like I'm at the swimming pool... unless I'm at the swimming pool.  Even in the 60's when I lived in San Francisco and hippies were all the rage, I never dressed like I was at the pool.  Yes, my hair was half way down my back, but I dressed decently.  I don't have a photo of me then but I dressed like these guys:

brianlux

OK, my bad to respond. 

Please, no more clothing style B.S. or Kat will slam the door on this thing (her prerogative, all due respect.) 

Thanks.

gimmesometruth27

so if someone presides over the senate wearing a denim vest we can't say that it looks unprofessional? gotcha.

gimmesometruth27

to be honest, she deserves every ounce of criticism she gets. manchin too. they are representing themselves. not the people who elected them to be there.

if you are not going to be on board with the agenda, at least get the fuck out of the way and do not be am impediment.