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Whoa! Was that live streamed? Did they clutch their shin and writh in pain? Then jump up and score a goal? Or get a yellow card?23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
In a week? How many is that? Three? In a week? Collapsed? Seems far far under normal. But I’m sure they all had the jab.
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In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
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In addition to not posting a link, you still haven't answered the most basic of questions - how has this rate of incidence changed since before CoVID?23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
By sharing anecdotes, memes, and factually dubious sources, you make a piss-poor case for what you claim to believe, and/or come across as disingenuous because your conclusions are so void of common sense . I'm quite a distrustful person, and I have no problem with a counter opinion, but it lacks basic logic to think that the entire news ecosystem - obsessed with sensationalism - is for some reason keeping this quiet if it indeed had the evidence you seem to believe. It's similarly lacking logic to omit a before-and-after comparison while still making a conclusion about the 'after'.
This is behind a paywall, but here's a major journal on it. I'll post the summary here. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.123.065908
"Study Questions:What is the incidence, and what are the causes and trends of sudden cardiac death (SCD) in collegiate athletes?Methods:The study included National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) deaths between July 1, 2002, and June 30, 2022. Four separate independent databases and search strategies were used to identify athlete deaths. Autopsy reports and medical history were reviewed by an expert panel to adjudicate causes of sudden death.Results:Of a total of 1,102 deaths, 143 cases of SCD were identified. The overall incidence of SCD was 1:63,682 athlete-years. Incidence was higher in male as compared with female athletes (1:43,348 vs. 1:36,228 athlete-years) and Black athletes as compared with White athletes (1:26,704 vs. 1:74,581 athlete-years). The highest incidence of SCD was among Division I male basketball players with an incidence of 1:8,188 athlete years (1:5,845 in Black athletes and 1:7,696 in White athletes). The incident rate for SCD decreased over the study period (5-year incident rate ratio, 0.71), while the rate of noncardiac deaths remained stable. Autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death (19.5%) was the most common postmortem examination finding, followed by idiopathic left ventricular hypertrophy or possible cardiomyopathy (16.9%), and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (12.7%) in cases with enough information for adjudication. Eight deaths were attributable to myocarditis over the study period, with one case occurring during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) era (January 1, 2020, to June 30, 2022), with none attributed to COVID-19 infection. SCD was exertional in 50% of cases. SCD was exertional in 100% of patients with congenital coronary anomalies and 83% of patients with arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy.Conclusions:The authors conclude that the incidence of SCD in college athletes has decreased over the last 20 years. Black race and basketball are associated with a higher risk of SCD.Perspective:This study used a variety of databases to identify SCD among NCAA athletes over a 20-year period ending in 2022. The cause for declining rates of SCD over the study period is not entirely clear but may be related to improved screening or wider implementation of emergency action plans and automated external defibrillator availability to improve survival after sudden cardiac arrest. The study importantly showed no increase in SCD in the COVID era, specifically demonstrating no myocarditis-related deaths attributable to COVID-19 during this period. The high rate of autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death suggests the importance of post-mortem genetic testing when possible."
Two more pieces from credible sources:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-athlete-deaths-1500-989195878254
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-general-science/athletes-vaccines-and-cardiac-deaths
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Classic. Ha!Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport70 -
Who knew mRNA vaccines drove DeLoreans?Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7This weekend we rock Portland0 -
That 1997 movie Marlon Wayans made about a college basketball player who Collapsed and Died Suddenly™ during a game....Poncier said:
Who knew mRNA vaccines drove DeLoreans?Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
I haven't seen it, but I am looking forward to the plot twist of how the vaccine traveled back in time 24 years, and whether it was the Moderna, Pfizer, or J&J.
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Move goalpost in 3, 2, 1...mrussel1 said:
Classic. Ha!Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Sorry, unfortunately it was 4..Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
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why are you looking for answers when you don't give any??..benjs said:
In addition to not posting a link, you still haven't answered the most basic of questions - how has this rate of incidence changed since before CoVID?23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
By sharing anecdotes, memes, and factually dubious sources, you make a piss-poor case for what you claim to believe, and/or come across as disingenuous because your conclusions are so void of common sense . I'm quite a distrustful person, and I have no problem with a counter opinion, but it lacks basic logic to think that the entire news ecosystem - obsessed with sensationalism - is for some reason keeping this quiet if it indeed had the evidence you seem to believe. It's similarly lacking logic to omit a before-and-after comparison while still making a conclusion about the 'after'.
This is behind a paywall, but here's a major journal on it. I'll post the summary here. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.123.065908
"Study Questions:What is the incidence, and what are the causes and trends of sudden cardiac death (SCD) in collegiate athletes?Methods:The study included National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) deaths between July 1, 2002, and June 30, 2022. Four separate independent databases and search strategies were used to identify athlete deaths. Autopsy reports and medical history were reviewed by an expert panel to adjudicate causes of sudden death.Results:Of a total of 1,102 deaths, 143 cases of SCD were identified. The overall incidence of SCD was 1:63,682 athlete-years. Incidence was higher in male as compared with female athletes (1:43,348 vs. 1:36,228 athlete-years) and Black athletes as compared with White athletes (1:26,704 vs. 1:74,581 athlete-years). The highest incidence of SCD was among Division I male basketball players with an incidence of 1:8,188 athlete years (1:5,845 in Black athletes and 1:7,696 in White athletes). The incident rate for SCD decreased over the study period (5-year incident rate ratio, 0.71), while the rate of noncardiac deaths remained stable. Autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death (19.5%) was the most common postmortem examination finding, followed by idiopathic left ventricular hypertrophy or possible cardiomyopathy (16.9%), and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (12.7%) in cases with enough information for adjudication. Eight deaths were attributable to myocarditis over the study period, with one case occurring during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) era (January 1, 2020, to June 30, 2022), with none attributed to COVID-19 infection. SCD was exertional in 50% of cases. SCD was exertional in 100% of patients with congenital coronary anomalies and 83% of patients with arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy.Conclusions:The authors conclude that the incidence of SCD in college athletes has decreased over the last 20 years. Black race and basketball are associated with a higher risk of SCD.Perspective:This study used a variety of databases to identify SCD among NCAA athletes over a 20-year period ending in 2022. The cause for declining rates of SCD over the study period is not entirely clear but may be related to improved screening or wider implementation of emergency action plans and automated external defibrillator availability to improve survival after sudden cardiac arrest. The study importantly showed no increase in SCD in the COVID era, specifically demonstrating no myocarditis-related deaths attributable to COVID-19 during this period. The high rate of autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death suggests the importance of post-mortem genetic testing when possible."
Two more pieces from credible sources:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-athlete-deaths-1500-989195878254
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-general-science/athletes-vaccines-and-cardiac-deaths
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That's only 1, not 4.23scidoo said:
Sorry, unfortunately it was 4..Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
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4 NHL players had heart attacks mid game or mid practice.
Hard to believe.
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Merkin Baller said:4 NHL players had heart attacks mid game or mid practice.
Hard to believe.
And most of them were before covid, so obviously the vaccine reduces the chances of heart attack while playing professional hockey
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Len Bias & Reggie Lewis too… no one even thought to ask which covid booster they got. Really makes you think…Zod said:Merkin Baller said:4 NHL players had heart attacks mid game or mid practice.
Hard to believe.
And most of them were before covid, so obviously the vaccine reduces the chances of heart attack while playing professional hockey0 -
''I've done the math enough to knowMerkin Baller said:
That's only 1, not 4.23scidoo said:
Sorry, unfortunately it was 4..Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
#math
The dangers of our second guessing''..
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23scidoo said:
''I've done the math enough to knowMerkin Baller said:
That's only 1, not 4.23scidoo said:
Sorry, unfortunately it was 4..Merkin Baller said:
In 2007 no less…23scidoo said:
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..Merkin Baller said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
#math
The dangers of our second guessing''..
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I was at the last game Reggie Lewis played but didn't see him collapse. Arrived late (in the 2nd Q) due to my buddy being late getting out of work. We got there and after a while noticed Lewis wasn't playing, nobody around us mentioned anything as to why, heard about it on radio on the way home.Merkin Baller said:
Len Bias & Reggie Lewis too… no one even thought to ask which covid booster they got. Really makes you think…Zod said:Merkin Baller said:4 NHL players had heart attacks mid game or mid practice.
Hard to believe.
And most of them were before covid, so obviously the vaccine reduces the chances of heart attack while playing professional hockey
The guy should have listened to the initial team of doctors and retired (and obviously should have refused the Covid vaccine), what a sin.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Merkin Baller said:
Len Bias & Reggie Lewis too… no one even thought to ask which covid booster they got. Really makes you think…Zod said:Merkin Baller said:4 NHL players had heart attacks mid game or mid practice.
Hard to believe.
And most of them were before covid, so obviously the vaccine reduces the chances of heart attack while playing professional hockey
Len got the Crack booster available at that time.
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It really was sad. Len Bias too. Big Pharma WANTS you to think it was the metric ton of cocaine he did that caused his heart failure, but we all know better now, don't we?Poncier said:
I was at the last game Reggie Lewis played but didn't see him collapse. Arrived late (in the 2nd Q) due to my buddy being late getting out of work. We got there and after a while noticed Lewis wasn't playing, nobody around us mentioned anything as to why, heard about it on radio on the way home.Merkin Baller said:
Len Bias & Reggie Lewis too… no one even thought to ask which covid booster they got. Really makes you think…Zod said:Merkin Baller said:4 NHL players had heart attacks mid game or mid practice.
Hard to believe.
And most of them were before covid, so obviously the vaccine reduces the chances of heart attack while playing professional hockey
The guy should have listened to the initial team of doctors and retired (and obviously should have refused the Covid vaccine), what a sin.0
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