Will the EV Tour be postponed take 2

RatherStarved

It was a good thread before it was derailed. Could we discuss again while being civil and respectful of people with different points of view.  I’ll kick it off with thinking it would be wise to push it out by a few weeks to let the situation settle down a bit.  Cheers all 

mcgruff10

The NHL and NBA are at full capacity, so no it will not be postponed.

JimmyV

Widespread panic just postponed their Beacon shows. 1/13-1/17. 

https://www.jambase.com/article/widespread-panic-new-york-city-postpone-covid-19

drakeheuer14

I think this should be a poll

pbultimate

What did you expect?

JimmyV

Glen Hansard has another tour scheduled to begin on 3/11.

https://glenhansard.com/tour/

Go Animal

If not the whole tour, I believe the Beacon shows are heading for a reschedule.

NYC is getting rocked pretty hard by Omicron right now. Ed will do what he thinks is right.

Zod

I feel like we're all kind of going with what works best for us personally.

I'm concerned it might be hard to cross the border to go the shows I bought tickets for, so I would prefer it get delayed to a time where it's a bit easier. When I bought the tickets you go to the US for 72 hours without needing to get a covid test to come back, but that's all changed now.

I dunno.

If I take my own personal bias out of it.  That's tough.   Omicron is less severe, but it's starting to fill up hospitals due to how fast it's spreading.   I have to imagine a few states on the tour might implement restrictions, which  would leave you in a position where only some of the shows can continue.  I have to imagine if that happens the tour gets postponed.

On the flip side it's not really an EV solo show, so I don't know how hard it is to get this band back together to do the shows in the future.  It's why I wanted to go, because we might not get many chances to see the Earthlings.

lmckenney24

Tool is kicking off an arena tour in 5 days, and all systems are a go. NHL arenas are full.

This won't be postponed or canceled due to COVID.

JimmyV

I think I would be more comfortable at a GA show than a seated theatre show. Being able to hang in the back and move when necessary rather than being crammed into seats. 

uglybabo

The Grammys just cancelled and the Sundance festival is moving virtual. 

And as mentioned above, the Beacon theatre has seen a few dates postponed. 

A move of dates to March/April could help, but who knows at this point. We just had Kacey Musgraves and Eric Church move their shows but we also have the Raptors and Leafs with empty arenas and all theaters are closed. 

Go Animal

lmckenney24 said:

Tool is kicking off an arena tour in 5 days, and all systems are a go. NHL arenas are full.

This won't be postponed or canceled due to COVID.

I don't think Maynard really cares. The Orlando TOOL show is not sold out, and there are climbing numbers of Covid cases here.

NBA, NHL & NFL owners & partners dont seem to care either, but that doesn't mean there isn't any risk to fans & spectators. 

Do not underestimate Ed's commitment to the safety of the audience ever, post-Roskilde.

drakeheuer14

How does moving forward equate to not caring? There has to be a point where enough is enough. Get the vaccine, get boosted and let’s party

lmckenney24

I think Maynard cares, or at least has a good understanding of the possible risk. He had a severe case of COVID. 

Just like us, each band or band member has a limit on how much risk they are willing to accept. Unless the venue shuts down, there is no reason to assume the shows won't go on without actually knowing their views.

SVRDhand13

mcgruff10 said:

The NHL and NBA are at full capacity, so no it will not be postponed.

But sports need to be completed within a certain timeframe- concerts do not. 

Personally I hope it’s not postponed since I can’t make February dates and therefore didn’t go for tix lol. 

JOEJOEJOE

If they do postpone the EV shows, I wonder if they would even reschedule them.  EV will hopefully be busy with PJ, and Chad has the RHCP tour in the summer, not to mention whether or not the other Earthlings would be available later in the year.

PJNB

drakeheuer14 said:

How does moving forward equate to not caring? There has to be a point where enough is enough. Get the vaccine, get boosted and let’s party

+1 

mcgruff10

SVRDhand13 said:

mcgruff10 said:

The NHL and NBA are at full capacity, so no it will not be postponed.

But sports need to be completed within a certain timeframe- concerts do not. 

Personally I hope it’s not postponed since I can’t make February dates and therefore didn’t go for tix lol. 

You choose anime conventions over ev shows?!  Daaaaaaamn.   

Go Animal

drakeheuer14 said:

How does moving forward equate to not caring? There has to be a point where enough is enough. Get the vaccine, get boosted and let’s party

"Enough is enough" is impulsive at best, and irresponsible at worst. Because just short of required proof of vaccination (not just a negative test, I mean "you must be 3 shots deep to attend this show", there is still an inherit risk of exposure at venues like the ones booked for the EV/Earthlings shows.

Omicron wasn't as rampant when these shows were planned, so don't be surprised if some (or all) are postponed, or cancelled.

Ed doesn't want a single fan getting sick (or dying) just because he went to one of his shows.

At this point, moving forward is slow & arduous, but we all need to be patient, vigilant, and responsible.

KL159781

lmckenney24 said:

I think Maynard cares, or at least has a good understanding of the possible risk. He had a severe case of COVID. 

Just like us, each band or band member has a limit on how much risk they are willing to accept. Unless the venue shuts down, there is no reason to assume the shows won't go on without actually knowing their views.

It isn’t just a case of what bands are willing to risk, it’s the financial risk to the promoters who hire these bands to tour, so they can make profit. That’s the bottom line. 

In the case of the Vedder tour, almost every ticket is sold, so they are counting on x amount of profit. They have to decide what is the lower risk: going ahead with the dates in February with a potentially high risk of postponements occurring and cutting into the profit, or to delay to a future date where hopefully the risks are lower of covid related postponements cutting into their profit. They already have the money from us and aren’t going to lose that by postponing.

i feel that with things like the crazy Platinum priced tickets and less Ten Club ticketing, that Vedder has less say on whether this tour goes ahead or not than on a Pearl Jam tour.

Go Animal

KL159781 said:

lmckenney24 said:

I think Maynard cares, or at least has a good understanding of the possible risk. He had a severe case of COVID. 

Just like us, each band or band member has a limit on how much risk they are willing to accept. Unless the venue shuts down, there is no reason to assume the shows won't go on without actually knowing their views.

It isn’t just a case of what bands are willing to risk, it’s the financial risk to the promoters who hire these bands to tour, so they can make profit. That’s the bottom line. 

In the case of the Vedder tour, almost every ticket is sold, so they are counting on x amount of profit. They have to decide what is the lower risk: going ahead with the dates in February with a potentially high risk of postponements occurring and cutting into the profit, or to delay to a future date where hopefully the risks are lower of covid related postponements cutting into their profit. They already have the money from us and aren’t going to lose that by postponing.

i feel that with things like the crazy Platinum priced tickets and less Ten Club ticketing, that Vedder has less say on whether this tour goes ahead or not than on a Pearl Jam tour.

Ed could cancel it all tomorrow. He has more sway than we give him credit for.

2020 changed how promoters do business. No lawsuit between a promoter & an artist/act will go to jury (or arbitration) while the pandemic is still ongoing. Besides, all parties will be writing off their 2021 losses just like the year before.

As much as I want to see an Earthlings show, I feel less inclined to do so unless there's required proof of 3 shots to enter.

bbiggs

Proof of 3 shots has not been required anywhere in the U.S. to retain fully vaccinated status to my knowledge, so unless that changes, that would not be the requirement for EV shows unless a venue decides to implement something above and beyond what the standard is.

Go Beavers

JimmyV said:

Widespread panic just postponed their Beacon shows. 1/13-1/17. 

https://www.jambase.com/article/widespread-panic-new-york-city-postpone-covid-19

So they panicked? 

YourDirtisMyfood

Golden Globes will have no audience and the Super Bowl may move to Dallas.

lmckenney24

bbiggs said:

Proof of 3 shots has not been required anywhere in the U.S. to retain fully vaccinated status to my knowledge, so unless that changes, that would not be the requirement for EV shows unless a venue decides to implement something above and beyond what the standard is.

The only place it's required is to enter Maui now. That wont be required across the board anytime soon, I can assure you of that.

mcgruff10

Go Animal said:

KL159781 said:

lmckenney24 said:

I think Maynard cares, or at least has a good understanding of the possible risk. He had a severe case of COVID. 

Just like us, each band or band member has a limit on how much risk they are willing to accept. Unless the venue shuts down, there is no reason to assume the shows won't go on without actually knowing their views.

It isn’t just a case of what bands are willing to risk, it’s the financial risk to the promoters who hire these bands to tour, so they can make profit. That’s the bottom line. 

In the case of the Vedder tour, almost every ticket is sold, so they are counting on x amount of profit. They have to decide what is the lower risk: going ahead with the dates in February with a potentially high risk of postponements occurring and cutting into the profit, or to delay to a future date where hopefully the risks are lower of covid related postponements cutting into their profit. They already have the money from us and aren’t going to lose that by postponing.

i feel that with things like the crazy Platinum priced tickets and less Ten Club ticketing, that Vedder has less say on whether this tour goes ahead or not than on a Pearl Jam tour.

Ed could cancel it all tomorrow. He has more sway than we give him credit for.

2020 changed how promoters do business. No lawsuit between a promoter & an artist/act will go to jury (or arbitration) while the pandemic is still ongoing. Besides, all parties will be writing off their 2021 losses just like the year before.

As much as I want to see an Earthlings show, I feel less inclined to do so unless there's required proof of 3 shots to enter.

Proof of 3 shots?!?! Come on bro.  If you are that nervous then please stay home.  (And I say that as nice as possible)

Go Beavers

Go Animal said:

KL159781 said:

lmckenney24 said:

I think Maynard cares, or at least has a good understanding of the possible risk. He had a severe case of COVID. 

Just like us, each band or band member has a limit on how much risk they are willing to accept. Unless the venue shuts down, there is no reason to assume the shows won't go on without actually knowing their views.

It isn’t just a case of what bands are willing to risk, it’s the financial risk to the promoters who hire these bands to tour, so they can make profit. That’s the bottom line. 

In the case of the Vedder tour, almost every ticket is sold, so they are counting on x amount of profit. They have to decide what is the lower risk: going ahead with the dates in February with a potentially high risk of postponements occurring and cutting into the profit, or to delay to a future date where hopefully the risks are lower of covid related postponements cutting into their profit. They already have the money from us and aren’t going to lose that by postponing.

i feel that with things like the crazy Platinum priced tickets and less Ten Club ticketing, that Vedder has less say on whether this tour goes ahead or not than on a Pearl Jam tour.

Ed could cancel it all tomorrow. He has more sway than we give him credit for.

2020 changed how promoters do business. No lawsuit between a promoter & an artist/act will go to jury (or arbitration) while the pandemic is still ongoing. Besides, all parties will be writing off their 2021 losses just like the year before.

As much as I want to see an Earthlings show, I feel less inclined to do so unless there's required proof of 3 shots to enter.

I’m vaxxed and boosted. The unvaccinated don’t pose a risk to me. 

Go Animal

mcgruff10 said:

Go Animal said:

KL159781 said:

lmckenney24 said:

I think Maynard cares, or at least has a good understanding of the possible risk. He had a severe case of COVID. 

Just like us, each band or band member has a limit on how much risk they are willing to accept. Unless the venue shuts down, there is no reason to assume the shows won't go on without actually knowing their views.

It isn’t just a case of what bands are willing to risk, it’s the financial risk to the promoters who hire these bands to tour, so they can make profit. That’s the bottom line. 

In the case of the Vedder tour, almost every ticket is sold, so they are counting on x amount of profit. They have to decide what is the lower risk: going ahead with the dates in February with a potentially high risk of postponements occurring and cutting into the profit, or to delay to a future date where hopefully the risks are lower of covid related postponements cutting into their profit. They already have the money from us and aren’t going to lose that by postponing.

i feel that with things like the crazy Platinum priced tickets and less Ten Club ticketing, that Vedder has less say on whether this tour goes ahead or not than on a Pearl Jam tour.

Ed could cancel it all tomorrow. He has more sway than we give him credit for.

2020 changed how promoters do business. No lawsuit between a promoter & an artist/act will go to jury (or arbitration) while the pandemic is still ongoing. Besides, all parties will be writing off their 2021 losses just like the year before.

As much as I want to see an Earthlings show, I feel less inclined to do so unless there's required proof of 3 shots to enter.

Proof of 3 shots?!?! Come on bro.  If you are that nervous then please stay home.  (And I say that as nice as possible)

I've got 2, 3rd's coming up in a week or so. I also have Omicron right now because people are being selfish & headstrong about all this (that, and I live in Florida where we pretty much fend for ourselves).

I'm not nervous. I'm being courteous. Vaccines work. But no one's making the hard calls to get though this for fear of being called a tyrant, or a monarch.

So, even though I'd like to have that level of mandate on indoor shows, I know it won't happen due to warped perceptions of "personal freedom" (let alone common courtesy).

My ultimate point is this: do not underestimate how far Ed is willing to go to keep fans safe. He's proved it for 21+ years.

And we need to be mindful of that.

drakeheuer14

You know Ed better than himself

Go Animal

bbiggs said:

Proof of 3 shots has not been required anywhere in the U.S. to retain fully vaccinated status to my knowledge, so unless that changes, that would not be the requirement for EV shows unless a venue decides to implement something above and beyond what the standard is.

Oh, I know. I just wish promoters & venues would man up, and make that the standard. Anything less is half-assed at this point. I wore my mask at both SHN & Ohana because I knew that the proof of vax/negative test wasn't foolproof. I didn't get infected.

I only have Omicron now because I made the foolhardy decision to see Spider-Man NWH with friends, and thanks to my 2 shots, I'm only dealing with light flu/heavy cold symptoms.

We need to get serious.

PJINFLA

RatherStarved said:

It was a good thread before it was derailed. Could we discuss again while being civil and respectful of people with different points of view.  I’ll kick it off with thinking it would be wise to push it out by a few weeks to let the situation settle down a bit.  Cheers all 

Thank you for restarting my thread. Was BS that it got shut down because a couple people got their panties in a wad and had to tag mommy (SEA) to close it.