Jan 6 Select Committee
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i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:tbergs said:
Ridiculous that anyone thinks the 2 are comparable. A wave of riots/protests in response to yet another unjust police killing of a black man being emotionlessly suffocated by a white cop in the middle of the street for 9 minutes and a bunch of MAGA morons storming the capitol because a giant orange turd and his bile oozing attorney publicly whined for months about unsubstantiated election irregularities are definitely similar.HughFreakingDillon said:they are trying to draw a parallel between 1/6 and the George Floyd/BLM protests/riots/movement. It's smart, because it's going to work, as disgusting as it is.The 2 are comparable IMO. They are both chaos and anarchy that didn't need to happen but were allowed to happen. The BLM riots cost between $1-$2 billion dollars worth of damage. They say about 25 people died as a direct result of these riots.The damage done to the capital cost $1-$2 million. 5 people died in the riots but 4 of the 5 were health related issues so really only 1 was killed because of the capitol riots.What is the definition of an insurrection? "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Wasn't this also the purpose of the BLM riots?These are not the exact same situations but in the end both were "a violent uprising against an authority or government." The definition of a terrorist is "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."One big difference is that the BLM riots were allowed to happen for many months without being stopped or much accountability which is a big reason why what happened at the capitol went down like it did. I would assume many of the crazy people at the Capitol felt like BLM was allowed to run a muck all year so now it was their turn to do the same.There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Both of these groups chose the wrong way. I do believe that both of these events are comparable but I do not believe that 2 wrongs make a right and neither should've happened. One does not justify the other. There were both good and bad people at both the Capitol riots and the BLM riots. Not all of these people are "terrorists" but in both groups, some were.Who remembers during the BLM riots when they attacked the White House? The people that protected the Capitol are considered heroes yet the people that protected the White House during a riot were not considered heroes. They both put their lives on the line to protect. Both groups were violently attacked and injured over political BS.Where was the select committee when democracy was attacked at the White House? How many of the people that attacked the White House were thrown in jail for months with no opportunity for bail? Was the FBI releasing photo and video from the White House attack to ask for help in identifying all of the assailants?Those who broke the law need to be held accountable for their actions whether it was the BLM Riots or the Capitol Riots. In both instances, there were law abiding people and those who took it way too far which could be considered as terrorists. It is not right to generalize either as a whole.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/false-equivalency-black-lives-matter-capitol-siege-experts/story?id=75251279Just because someone wrote an article about something does not make it true. Like many of you have said, "You can't tell my lying eyes what I saw."
I'm not saying these are the exact same but there are similarities.just becausr hannity claimed the white house was attacked doesnt make it true....
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lol they were beating cops with flags you can justify it to please yourself the truth is the truth! On 1/6 terrorist tried to stop the count of electoral votes because they were mad their idiot president lost!JB16057 said:josevolution said:
It could have something to do with the fact that the terrorist on 1/6 broke into the capitol and were hunting for senators to kill no?JB16057 said:
I don't remember the FBI hunting down the BLM protesters asking neighbors to turn each other in......josevolution said:Let’s not forget that BLM protesters were treated with a bit more force plus Kissinger put that notion to rest that not once did he feel like democracy was in jeopardy!Sure.... but how many people were killed during the BLM riots? Way more than the amount of Senators that were even harmed.How many of the Capitol rioters were there to kill someone? Maybe some but we have no idea of knowing. If you want to pretend it was all of them, you can do that but that isn't honest. I don't know this answer but how many of the rioters were charged with attempted murder or similar charges?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.
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mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:tbergs said:
Ridiculous that anyone thinks the 2 are comparable. A wave of riots/protests in response to yet another unjust police killing of a black man being emotionlessly suffocated by a white cop in the middle of the street for 9 minutes and a bunch of MAGA morons storming the capitol because a giant orange turd and his bile oozing attorney publicly whined for months about unsubstantiated election irregularities are definitely similar.HughFreakingDillon said:they are trying to draw a parallel between 1/6 and the George Floyd/BLM protests/riots/movement. It's smart, because it's going to work, as disgusting as it is.The 2 are comparable IMO. They are both chaos and anarchy that didn't need to happen but were allowed to happen. The BLM riots cost between $1-$2 billion dollars worth of damage. They say about 25 people died as a direct result of these riots.The damage done to the capital cost $1-$2 million. 5 people died in the riots but 4 of the 5 were health related issues so really only 1 was killed because of the capitol riots.What is the definition of an insurrection? "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Wasn't this also the purpose of the BLM riots?These are not the exact same situations but in the end both were "a violent uprising against an authority or government." The definition of a terrorist is "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."One big difference is that the BLM riots were allowed to happen for many months without being stopped or much accountability which is a big reason why what happened at the capitol went down like it did. I would assume many of the crazy people at the Capitol felt like BLM was allowed to run a muck all year so now it was their turn to do the same.There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Both of these groups chose the wrong way. I do believe that both of these events are comparable but I do not believe that 2 wrongs make a right and neither should've happened. One does not justify the other. There were both good and bad people at both the Capitol riots and the BLM riots. Not all of these people are "terrorists" but in both groups, some were.Who remembers during the BLM riots when they attacked the White House? The people that protected the Capitol are considered heroes yet the people that protected the White House during a riot were not considered heroes. They both put their lives on the line to protect. Both groups were violently attacked and injured over political BS.Where was the select committee when democracy was attacked at the White House? How many of the people that attacked the White House were thrown in jail for months with no opportunity for bail? Was the FBI releasing photo and video from the White House attack to ask for help in identifying all of the assailants?Those who broke the law need to be held accountable for their actions whether it was the BLM Riots or the Capitol Riots. In both instances, there were law abiding people and those who took it way too far which could be considered as terrorists. It is not right to generalize either as a whole.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/false-equivalency-black-lives-matter-capitol-siege-experts/story?id=75251279Just because someone wrote an article about something does not make it true. Like many of you have said, "You can't tell my lying eyes what I saw."
I'm not saying these are the exact same but there are similarities.just becausr hannity claimed the white house was attacked doesnt make it true....
Hannity is an idiot. Were there members of the Secret Service that were injured protecting the White House?
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BLM shouldn’t be in this convo at all!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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josevolution said:BLM shouldn’t be in this convo at all!The BLM riots are one of the reasons why the Capitol Riot happened. The right was outraged at how the BLM riots were allowed to take place and how the media treated the BLM riots by saying things such as, "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests".BLM can easily be in this convo on a Pearl Jam message board but I'll agree that as for the "select committee" or even criminal trials that BLM has nothing to do with either. Two wrongs don't make a right.0
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disagree. read again what Tbergs posted. spot on. 400 years of oppression and rape and murder does not equate ONE IOTA to a bunch of butt hurt yokels egged on by a carnival barker trying to stop the certification of an election.JB16057 said:
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
The real difference is that the sitting president fabricated the lie that brought in the MAGA crowd and then encouraged them to"fight like hell". And Giuliani, who was given a platform encouraged "Trial by combat". There's no equivalent between someone of Trump's platform and reach doing the same thing during the BLM protests.
Trump also lied and said Pence could stop the certification of the votes. Again, no equivalence.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
disagree. read again what Tbergs posted. spot on. 400 years of oppression and rape and murder does not equate ONE IOTA to a bunch of butt hurt yokels egged on by a carnival barker trying to stop the certification of an election.JB16057 said:
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.Do you believe the BLM riots were right when they burned down cities, looted and robbed? If BLM was only attacking the people doing the oppressing, I'd say it was fair game but that wasn't the case. They didn't care who they harmed just as the Capitol Rioters didn't care who they harmed.At the most basic level, can't we all agree that both acts of violence were not the correct way to handle the issue?
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The difference is the presidents role in the violence. It's that simple.JB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
disagree. read again what Tbergs posted. spot on. 400 years of oppression and rape and murder does not equate ONE IOTA to a bunch of butt hurt yokels egged on by a carnival barker trying to stop the certification of an election.JB16057 said:
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.Do you believe the BLM riots were right when they burned down cities, looted and robbed? If BLM was only attacking the people doing the oppressing, I'd say it was fair game but that wasn't the case. They didn't care who they harmed just as the Capitol Rioters didn't care who they harmed.At the most basic level, can't we all agree that both acts of violence were not the correct way to handle the issue?0 -
BLM had plenty of signs and chants provoking violence.HughFreakingDillon said:
hunting down? that's called an investigation to find criminals.JB16057 said:
I don't remember the FBI hunting down the BLM protesters asking neighbors to turn each other in......josevolution said:Let’s not forget that BLM protesters were treated with a bit more force plus Kissinger put that notion to rest that not once did he feel like democracy was in jeopardy!
I also don't remember BLM protestors bringing a gallows to their protests with signs saying and chanting "hang mike pence". do you?
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The right was also outraged when NFL players protested peacefully, so let’s not pretend it was the violence that upset them so much.JB16057 said:josevolution said:BLM shouldn’t be in this convo at all!The BLM riots are one of the reasons why the Capitol Riot happened. The right was outraged at how the BLM riots were allowed to take place and how the media treated the BLM riots by saying things such as, "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests".BLM can easily be in this convo on a Pearl Jam message board but I'll agree that as for the "select committee" or even criminal trials that BLM has nothing to do with either. Two wrongs don't make a right.0 -
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The difference is the presidents role in the violence. It's that simple.JB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
disagree. read again what Tbergs posted. spot on. 400 years of oppression and rape and murder does not equate ONE IOTA to a bunch of butt hurt yokels egged on by a carnival barker trying to stop the certification of an election.JB16057 said:
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.Do you believe the BLM riots were right when they burned down cities, looted and robbed? If BLM was only attacking the people doing the oppressing, I'd say it was fair game but that wasn't the case. They didn't care who they harmed just as the Capitol Rioters didn't care who they harmed.At the most basic level, can't we all agree that both acts of violence were not the correct way to handle the issue?There are plenty of politicians that helped promote and protect the violence behind the BLM riots. Why do you not call them out for their roles but you'll jump all over Trump? There were plenty of politicians that said things similar to "fight like hell". Is Trump attempting to bail the capitol riot criminals out? Kamala Harris promoted a fund to bail out the criminals behind BLM that went and committed more heinous crimes. If you're going to blame one, blame them all.
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I agree that was and is stupid.Merkin Baller said:
The right was also outraged when NFL players protested peacefully, so let’s not pretend it was the violence that upset them so much.JB16057 said:josevolution said:BLM shouldn’t be in this convo at all!The BLM riots are one of the reasons why the Capitol Riot happened. The right was outraged at how the BLM riots were allowed to take place and how the media treated the BLM riots by saying things such as, "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests".BLM can easily be in this convo on a Pearl Jam message board but I'll agree that as for the "select committee" or even criminal trials that BLM has nothing to do with either. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Did the govt send in unmarked vehicles and start grabbing people after 106 without announcing what they were doing?
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Who? Give me the name and the quotes that encouraged violence. Second, I said of similar stature to the president. So give me some quotes by Biden, Harris, Bernie, a senator, etc. Not some no name that no one's heard of.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
The difference is the presidents role in the violence. It's that simple.JB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
disagree. read again what Tbergs posted. spot on. 400 years of oppression and rape and murder does not equate ONE IOTA to a bunch of butt hurt yokels egged on by a carnival barker trying to stop the certification of an election.JB16057 said:
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.Do you believe the BLM riots were right when they burned down cities, looted and robbed? If BLM was only attacking the people doing the oppressing, I'd say it was fair game but that wasn't the case. They didn't care who they harmed just as the Capitol Rioters didn't care who they harmed.At the most basic level, can't we all agree that both acts of violence were not the correct way to handle the issue?There are plenty of politicians that helped promote and protect the violence behind the BLM riots. Why do you not call them out for their roles but you'll jump all over Trump? There were plenty of politicians that said things similar to "fight like hell". Is Trump attempting to bail the capitol riot criminals out? Kamala Harris promoted a fund to bail out the criminals behind BLM that went and committed more heinous crimes. If you're going to blame one, blame them all.0 -
I m almost positive Maxine waters did. I think she is from Cali. I ll have to look it upmrussel1 said:
Who? Give me the name and the quotes that encouraged violence. Second, I said of similar stature to the president. So give me some quotes by Biden, Harris, Bernie, a senator, etc. Not some no name that no one's heard of.JB16057 said:mrussel1 said:
The difference is the presidents role in the violence. It's that simple.JB16057 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
disagree. read again what Tbergs posted. spot on. 400 years of oppression and rape and murder does not equate ONE IOTA to a bunch of butt hurt yokels egged on by a carnival barker trying to stop the certification of an election.JB16057 said:
I agree with what you are saying. But to say there are no fair comparisons is a false statement.HughFreakingDillon said:i, for one, am getting tired of the right making up false equivalencies in order to distract from the atrocities of their party membership and leadership. You want BLM protestors prosecuted? call your senator. this is about the INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6. people need to be held accountable. no amount of whataboutisms will change that.Do you believe the BLM riots were right when they burned down cities, looted and robbed? If BLM was only attacking the people doing the oppressing, I'd say it was fair game but that wasn't the case. They didn't care who they harmed just as the Capitol Rioters didn't care who they harmed.At the most basic level, can't we all agree that both acts of violence were not the correct way to handle the issue?There are plenty of politicians that helped promote and protect the violence behind the BLM riots. Why do you not call them out for their roles but you'll jump all over Trump? There were plenty of politicians that said things similar to "fight like hell". Is Trump attempting to bail the capitol riot criminals out? Kamala Harris promoted a fund to bail out the criminals behind BLM that went and committed more heinous crimes. If you're going to blame one, blame them all.
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However, after George Floyd’s death, Joe Biden repeatedly condemned violent protests. In a May 31 post on his blog shortly after George Floyd’s death, he wrote, “Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.” ( here , medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f ).
At a speech in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on June 2, he said, “There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction” (here).
On July 28, Biden also condemned violent protests at a speech in Wilmington, Delaware, as seen www.c-span.org/video/?474269-1/joe-biden-remarks-wilmington-delaware-economy at the 8 minute 24 second mark.
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