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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
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    Did someone mention Watergate? Watergate snd how a “stolen” election  was the biggest scandal since? Ahhhhhh, contrare but those of us living in reality knew this already.

    Internal White House records from the day of the attack on the U.S. Capitol that were turned over to the House select committee show a gap in President Donald Trump’s phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when the building was being violently assaulted, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

    The lack of an official White House notation of any calls placed to or by Trump for 457 minutes on Jan. 6, 2021 – from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. – means the committee has no record of his phone conversations as his supporters descended on the Capitol, battled overwhelmed police and forcibly entered the building, prompting lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence to flee for safety.

    The 11 pages of records, which consist of the president’s official daily diary and the White House switchboard call logs, were turned over by the National Archives earlier this year to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack.

    And ummm, sure:

    In a statement Monday night, Trump said, "I have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term."

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
    And an awful lot of “no comments” from a whole slew of aidors and abettors insurrectionists brilliantatis.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/29/trump-white-house-logs/
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,997
    Did someone mention Watergate? Watergate snd how a “stolen” election  was the biggest scandal since? Ahhhhhh, contrare but those of us living in reality knew this already.

    Internal White House records from the day of the attack on the U.S. Capitol that were turned over to the House select committee show a gap in President Donald Trump’s phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when the building was being violently assaulted, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

    The lack of an official White House notation of any calls placed to or by Trump for 457 minutes on Jan. 6, 2021 – from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. – means the committee has no record of his phone conversations as his supporters descended on the Capitol, battled overwhelmed police and forcibly entered the building, prompting lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence to flee for safety.

    The 11 pages of records, which consist of the president’s official daily diary and the White House switchboard call logs, were turned over by the National Archives earlier this year to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack.

    And ummm, sure:

    In a statement Monday night, Trump said, "I have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term."

    nixon got impeached for 18 minutes missing on an audio recording.

    where in the fuck is garland on this?

    you know gym jordan and some of those people called trump DURING this timeframe where the records are missing.

    these motherfuckers need to be arrested now.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,293

    Jan. 6 panel puts Garland in 'precarious' spot, ups pressure
    By FARNOUSH AMIRI and MICHAEL BALSAMO
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawmakers investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol are increasingly going public with critical statements, court filings and more to deliver a blunt message to Attorney General Merrick Garland and the Department of Justice.

    President Donald Trump and his allies likely committed crimes, they say. And it’s up to you to do something about it.

    “Attorney General Garland, do your job so we can do ours,” prodded Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia.

    “We are upholding our responsibility. The Department of Justice must do the same,” echoed Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif.

    Their rhetoric, focused this week on two contempt of Congress referrals approved by the committee, is just the latest example of the pressure campaign the lawmakers are waging. It reflects a stark reality: While they can investigate Jan. 6 and issue subpoenas to gather information, only the Justice Department can bring criminal charges.

    Committee members see the case they are building against Trump and his allies as a once-in-a-generation circumstance. If it's not fully prosecuted, they say, it could set a dangerous precedent that threatens the foundations of American democracy.

    The lawmakers seem nearly certain to send a criminal referral to the Justice Department once their work is through.

    It all puts Garland, who has spent his tenure trying to shield the Justice Department from political pressure, in a precarious spot. Any criminal charges related to Jan. 6 would trigger a firestorm, thrusting prosecutors back into the partisan crossfire that proved so damaging during the Trump-Russia influence investigation and an email probe of Hillary Clinton.

    Garland has given no public indication about whether prosecutors might be considering a case against the former president. He has, though, vowed to hold accountable “all January 6th perpetrators, at any level” and has said that would include those who were “present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy.”

    The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol voted unanimously Monday night to hold former Trump advisers Peter Navarro and Dan Scavino in contempt of Congress for their monthslong refusal to comply with subpoenas. (March 29)

    It's already the largest criminal prosecution in the department's history — for rioters who entered the Capitol building on Jan. 6 as well as members of extremist groups who are accused of planning the attack. More than 750 people have been charged with federal crimes. Over 220 riot defendants have pleaded guilty, more than 100 have been sentenced and at least 90 others have trial dates.

    Parts of the department's investigation have overlapped with the committee's. One example is in late January when Justice announced it had opened a probe into a fake slate of electors who falsely tried to declare Trump the winner of the 2020 election in seven swing states that Joe Biden won. Three days later, lawmakers subpoenaed more than a dozen people involved in the effort.

    But the Jan. 6 committee wants more. Their message was amplified this week when a federal judge in California — District Judge David Carter, a Bill Clinton appointee — wrote that it is “more likely than not” that Trump himself committed crimes in his attempt to stop the certification of the 2020 election.

    The practical effect of that ruling was to order the release of more than 100 emails from Trump adviser John Eastman to the Jan. 6 Committee. But lawmakers zeroed in on a particular passage in the judge’s opinion that characterized Jan. 6 as a “coup.”

    “Dr. Eastman and President Trump launched a campaign to overturn a democratic election, an action unprecedented in American history. Their campaign was not confined to the ivory tower—it was a coup in search of a legal theory,” Carter wrote.

    But experts caution that Carter's opinion was only in a civil case and does not meet the longstanding charging policy the Justice Department is required to meet. Justin Danilewitz, a Philadelphia-based attorney and former federal prosecutor, noted the department faces a higher burden of proof in court to show that presidential immunity should not apply. And he said the legal advice Trump received from Eastman “undermines an inference of corrupt or deceitful intent."

    The department will be guided by the evidence and law, he said, "but the social and political ramifications of a decision of this kind will not be far from the minds of Attorney General Garland and his staff.”

    “A decision to bring or not bring criminal charges will have significant ripple effects," he added.

    Taylor Budowich, a Trump spokesperson, called the judge’s ruling an “absurd and baseless ruling by a Clinton-appointed Judge in California.” He called the House committee’s investigation a “circus of partisanship.”

    Another point of friction with the Justice Department is the effort to enforce subpoenas through contempt of Congress charges.

    The House approved a contempt referral against former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows in December after he ceased cooperating with the Jan. 6 panel. While an earlier contempt referral against former Trump adviser Steve Bannon resulted in an indictment, the Department of Justice has been slower to decide whether to prosecute Meadows.

    “The Department of Justice is entrusted with defending our Constitution,” Rep. Liz Cheney, the Republican committee chair, said at a hearing this week. “Department leadership should not apply any doctrine of immunity that might block Congress from fully uncovering and addressing the causes of the January 6 attack.”

    A decision to pursue the contempt charges against Meadows would have to come from career prosecutors in the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington before senior Justice Department officials would weigh in and decide how to proceed.

    Bringing a case against Meadows would be more challenging for prosecutors than the case against Bannon, in large part because Bannon wasn’t a White House official during the insurrection.

    The Justice Department has long maintained that senior aides generally cannot be forced to testify if a president invokes executive privilege, as Trump has done. And bringing charges could risk undermining the longstanding principle that lets the executive branch of the government keep most discussions private.

    While the majority of committee members have turned up the pressure on Garland, one member, Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland, has not gone as far.

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    AP source: Kimberly Guilfoyle meets with Jan. 6 committee
    By FARNOUSH AMIRI
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Kimberly Guilfoyle, the fiancée of former President Donald Trump’s eldest son, met with the House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol insurrection Monday — more than a month after she abruptly ended a voluntary interview with lawmakers — according to a person familiar with the matter.

    Guilfoyle, 53, arrived Monday morning at the federal office building on Capitol Hill where the committee has been conducting its virtual and in-person interviews to sit down with lawmakers, according to the person who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss private testimony.

    The committee investigating the attack had requested testimony and records from Guilfoyle, who spoke at the rally Trump held on the White House Ellipse on Jan. 6, 2021, before the riot at the Capitol aimed at overturning Trump's election loss. Lawmakers say that Guilfoyle, who was a chair of the Trump Victory Committee, the fundraising arm of his campaign, also raised funds for the rally and was in direct contact with its key participants and organizers.

    Members of the nine-member panel issued a subpoena to Guilfoyle last month after she cut the voluntary interview short over her objection to the presence of lawmakers. The committee’s decision to subpoena her was unusual, as lawmakers have tried to bring in most members of Trump’s family on a voluntary basis.

    Joe Tacopina, an attorney representing Guilfoyle, did not respond to a request for comment Monday but has previously stated that his client “has done nothing wrong,” and will testify truthfully to any question.

    The committee has said it has received a number of the documents it initially requested from Guilfoyle but is now looking to learn more about her meetings with the former president and members of his family in the Oval Office the morning of the attack.

    “Ms. Guilfoyle met with Donald Trump inside the White House, spoke at the rally that took place before the riot on January 6th, and apparently played a key role organizing and raising funds for that event,” Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, the committee’s Democratic chairman, said in a March 3 statement.

    Guilfoyle's appearance is the latest in a series of sit-down interviews the committee has conducted with those in Trump's inner circle in the past few weeks. On Tuesday, Stephen Miller, who served as a top aide to Trump, was questioned virtually for eight hours.

    The former president's daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner, have also spoken to the committee in the past month, providing hours of testimony that members have cited as helpful to their probe.


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    AP sources: Donald Trump Jr. speaks with Jan. 6 committee
    By ERIC TUCKER and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The oldest son of former President Donald Trump has met with the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to two people familiar with the matter.

    The interview Tuesday with Donald Trump Jr. comes as the bipartisan House committee moves closer to the former president's inner circle of family members and political advisers.

    The younger Trump is of likely interest to the committee because of his proximity to his father on the day of the riot. Donald Trump Jr. was seen backstage at the rally on the White House Ellipse that took place shortly before supporters of the then-president marched to the Capitol and breached the building.

    In several social media videos posted at the time of the Jan. 6 attack, Trump Jr. was seen with Kimberly Guilfoyle — then his girlfriend, now his fiancee — and other members of his family as his father prepared to make a speech that investigators believed rallied supporters to act violently that day.

    The House committee has also released text messages from Jan. 6 in which Trump Jr. pleaded with the White House to get his father to forcefully condemn the riot.

    “We need an Oval address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand,” Trump Jr. wrote to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

    Trump Jr. is one of nearly 1,000 witnesses the committee has interviewed as it works to compile a record of the worst attack on the Capitol in more than two centuries. He is the second of Trump’s children known to speak to the committee; sister Ivanka Trump sat down with lawmakers for eight hours in early April. Her husband, Jared Kushner, has also been interviewed by the committee.

    Other allies of the former president have defied subpoenas from the committee and been referred to the Justice Department for potential prosecution on contempt of Congress charges. One of them, Stephen Bannon, was indicted last year after he refused to cooperate. That case is pending.

    The committee of seven Democrats and two Republicans is looking to wrap up its nearly 11-month investigation and shift into the public hearing phase. Hearings are set to begin June 9 and go on for four weeks. Lawmakers expect to bring out witnesses and present evidence in an effort to educate the public on the full scope of the attack and Donald Trump’s role in it.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,997
    wonder how many lines jr did before the interview.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,588
    Good day today for committee! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    Jan. 6 panel subpoenas McCarthy, four other GOP lawmakers
    By MARY CLARE JALONICK, KEVIN FREKING and LISA MASCARO
    59 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A House panel issued subpoenas Thursday to House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy and four other GOP lawmakers in its probe into the violent Jan. 6 insurrection, an extraordinary step that has little precedent and is certain to further inflame partisan tensions over the 2021 attack.

    The panel is investigating McCarthy’s conversations with then-President Donald Trump the day of the attack and meetings the four other lawmakers had with the White House beforehand as Trump and his aides worked to overturn his 2020 election defeat. The former president's supporters violently pushed past police that day, broke through windows and doors of the Capitol and interrupted the certification of President Joe Biden's victory.

    The decision to issue subpoenas to McCarthy, R-Calif., and Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Andy Biggs of Arizona and Mo Brooks of Alabama is a dramatic show of force by the panel, which has already interviewed nearly 1,000 witnesses and collected more than 100,000 documents as it investigates the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries.

    The move is not without risk, as Republicans are favored to capture back the House majority in this fall's midterm elections and have promised retribution for Democrats if they take control.

    After the announcement, McCarthy, who aspires to be House speaker, told reporters “I have not seen a subpoena" and said his view on the Jan. 6 committee has not changed since the nine-lawmaker panel asked for his voluntary cooperation earlier this year.

    “They're not conducting a legitimate investigation,” McCarthy said. "Seems as though they just want to go after their political opponents.”

    Similarly, Perry told reporters the investigation is a “charade” and said the subpoena is “all about headlines.”

    Neither man said whether he would comply.

    The panel, made up of seven Democrats and two Republicans, had previously asked for voluntary cooperation from the five lawmakers, along with a handful of other GOP members, but all of them refused to speak with the panel, which debated for months whether to issue the subpoenas.

    “Before we hold our hearings next month, we wished to provide members the opportunity to discuss these matters with the committee voluntarily,” said Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, the Democratic chairman of the panel. “Regrettably, the individuals receiving subpoenas today have refused and we’re forced to take this step to help ensure the committee uncovers facts concerning January 6th.”

    Rep. Liz Cheney, the panel’s Republican vice chair, said the step wasn’t taken lightly. The unwillingness of the lawmakers to provide relevant information about the attack, she said, is “a very serious and grave situation.”

    Congressional subpoenas for sitting members of Congress, especially for a party leader, have little precedent in recent decades, and it is unclear what the consequences would be if any or all of the five men decline to comply. The House has voted to hold two other noncompliant witnesses, former Trump aides Steve Bannon and Mark Meadows, in contempt, referring their cases to the Justice Department.

    In announcing the subpoenas, the Jan. 6 panel said there is historical precedent for the move and noted that the House Ethics Committee has “issued a number of subpoenas to Members of Congress for testimony or documents,” though such actions are generally done secretly.

    “We recognize this is fairly unprecedented," said Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, the other GOP member of the panel, after the committee announced the subpoenas. "But the Jan. 6 attack was very unprecedented.”

    Kinzinger said it is "important for us to get every piece of information we possibly can.”

    McCarthy has acknowledged he spoke with Trump on Jan. 6 as Trump’s supporters were beating police outside the Capitol and forcing their way into the building. But he has not shared many details. The committee requested information about his conversations with Trump “before, during and after” the riot.

    McCarthy took to the House floor after the rioters were cleared and said in a forceful speech that Trump “bears responsibility” for the attack and that it was the “saddest day I have ever had” in Congress — even as he went on to join 138 other House Republicans in voting to reject the election results.

    Another member of the GOP caucus, Washington Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, said after the attack that McCarthy had recounted that he told Trump to publicly “call off the riot” and said the violent mob was made up of Trump supporters, not far-left antifa members, as Trump had claimed.

    “That’s when, according to McCarthy, the president said, ’Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Herrera Beutler said in a statement last year.

    The GOP leader soon made up with Trump, though, visiting him in Florida and rallying House Republicans to vote against investigations of the attack.

    The other four men were in touch with the White House for several weeks ahead of the insurrection, talking to Trump and his legal advisers about ways to stop the congressional electoral count on Jan. 6 to certify Joe Biden's victory.

    “These members include those who participated in meetings at the White House, those who had direct conversations with President Trump leading up to and during the attack on the Capitol, and those who were involved in the planning and coordination of certain activities on and before January 6th,” the committee said in a release.

    Brooks, who has since been critical of Trump, spoke alongside the former president at the massive rally in front of the White House the morning of Jan. 6, telling supporters to “start taking down names and kicking ass” before hundreds of them broke into the Capitol.

    Perry spoke to the White House about replacing acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen with an official who was more sympathetic to Trump’s false claims of voter fraud, and Biggs was involved in plans to bring protesters to Washington and pressuring state officials to overturn the legitimate election results, according to the panel. Jordan, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, spoke to Trump on Jan. 6 and was also involved in strategizing how to overturn the election.

    Several of their efforts were detailed in texts released to the panel by Meadows, who was Trump’s chief of staff at the time.

    “11 days to 1/6 and 25 days to inauguration,” Perry texted Meadows on Dec. 26, 2020. "We gotta get going!”

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    Associated Press writer Marc Levy in Harrisburg, Pa. contributed to this report.


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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,997
    mickeyrat said:

     
    Jan. 6 panel subpoenas McCarthy, four other GOP lawmakers
    By MARY CLARE JALONICK, KEVIN FREKING and LISA MASCARO
    59 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A House panel issued subpoenas Thursday to House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy and four other GOP lawmakers in its probe into the violent Jan. 6 insurrection, an extraordinary step that has little precedent and is certain to further inflame partisan tensions over the 2021 attack.

    The panel is investigating McCarthy’s conversations with then-President Donald Trump the day of the attack and meetings the four other lawmakers had with the White House beforehand as Trump and his aides worked to overturn his 2020 election defeat. The former president's supporters violently pushed past police that day, broke through windows and doors of the Capitol and interrupted the certification of President Joe Biden's victory.

    The decision to issue subpoenas to McCarthy, R-Calif., and Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Andy Biggs of Arizona and Mo Brooks of Alabama is a dramatic show of force by the panel, which has already interviewed nearly 1,000 witnesses and collected more than 100,000 documents as it investigates the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries.

    The move is not without risk, as Republicans are favored to capture back the House majority in this fall's midterm elections and have promised retribution for Democrats if they take control.

    After the announcement, McCarthy, who aspires to be House speaker, told reporters “I have not seen a subpoena" and said his view on the Jan. 6 committee has not changed since the nine-lawmaker panel asked for his voluntary cooperation earlier this year.

    “They're not conducting a legitimate investigation,” McCarthy said. "Seems as though they just want to go after their political opponents.”

    Similarly, Perry told reporters the investigation is a “charade” and said the subpoena is “all about headlines.”

    Neither man said whether he would comply.

    The panel, made up of seven Democrats and two Republicans, had previously asked for voluntary cooperation from the five lawmakers, along with a handful of other GOP members, but all of them refused to speak with the panel, which debated for months whether to issue the subpoenas.

    “Before we hold our hearings next month, we wished to provide members the opportunity to discuss these matters with the committee voluntarily,” said Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, the Democratic chairman of the panel. “Regrettably, the individuals receiving subpoenas today have refused and we’re forced to take this step to help ensure the committee uncovers facts concerning January 6th.”

    Rep. Liz Cheney, the panel’s Republican vice chair, said the step wasn’t taken lightly. The unwillingness of the lawmakers to provide relevant information about the attack, she said, is “a very serious and grave situation.”

    Congressional subpoenas for sitting members of Congress, especially for a party leader, have little precedent in recent decades, and it is unclear what the consequences would be if any or all of the five men decline to comply. The House has voted to hold two other noncompliant witnesses, former Trump aides Steve Bannon and Mark Meadows, in contempt, referring their cases to the Justice Department.

    In announcing the subpoenas, the Jan. 6 panel said there is historical precedent for the move and noted that the House Ethics Committee has “issued a number of subpoenas to Members of Congress for testimony or documents,” though such actions are generally done secretly.

    “We recognize this is fairly unprecedented," said Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, the other GOP member of the panel, after the committee announced the subpoenas. "But the Jan. 6 attack was very unprecedented.”

    Kinzinger said it is "important for us to get every piece of information we possibly can.”

    McCarthy has acknowledged he spoke with Trump on Jan. 6 as Trump’s supporters were beating police outside the Capitol and forcing their way into the building. But he has not shared many details. The committee requested information about his conversations with Trump “before, during and after” the riot.

    McCarthy took to the House floor after the rioters were cleared and said in a forceful speech that Trump “bears responsibility” for the attack and that it was the “saddest day I have ever had” in Congress — even as he went on to join 138 other House Republicans in voting to reject the election results.

    Another member of the GOP caucus, Washington Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, said after the attack that McCarthy had recounted that he told Trump to publicly “call off the riot” and said the violent mob was made up of Trump supporters, not far-left antifa members, as Trump had claimed.

    “That’s when, according to McCarthy, the president said, ’Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Herrera Beutler said in a statement last year.

    The GOP leader soon made up with Trump, though, visiting him in Florida and rallying House Republicans to vote against investigations of the attack.

    The other four men were in touch with the White House for several weeks ahead of the insurrection, talking to Trump and his legal advisers about ways to stop the congressional electoral count on Jan. 6 to certify Joe Biden's victory.

    “These members include those who participated in meetings at the White House, those who had direct conversations with President Trump leading up to and during the attack on the Capitol, and those who were involved in the planning and coordination of certain activities on and before January 6th,” the committee said in a release.

    Brooks, who has since been critical of Trump, spoke alongside the former president at the massive rally in front of the White House the morning of Jan. 6, telling supporters to “start taking down names and kicking ass” before hundreds of them broke into the Capitol.

    Perry spoke to the White House about replacing acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen with an official who was more sympathetic to Trump’s false claims of voter fraud, and Biggs was involved in plans to bring protesters to Washington and pressuring state officials to overturn the legitimate election results, according to the panel. Jordan, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, spoke to Trump on Jan. 6 and was also involved in strategizing how to overturn the election.

    Several of their efforts were detailed in texts released to the panel by Meadows, who was Trump’s chief of staff at the time.

    “11 days to 1/6 and 25 days to inauguration,” Perry texted Meadows on Dec. 26, 2020. "We gotta get going!”

    ___

    Associated Press writer Marc Levy in Harrisburg, Pa. contributed to this report.


    i think this is too little, too late. should have been done a year ago. most of the country has moved on and probably do not care at this point.

    i doubt this will result in little more than 500 pleadings of the 5th, and even more "i don't remember" responses.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
    If you didn’t catch Denver Riggleman interviewed by Anderson Cooper on AC360 just now, you need to. Talk about fruit from the poisonous tree? Good lord. Just wait for those committee hearings and it’s no wonder Gym Jordan and Mark field of weeds Meadows and POOTWH’s lapdog McCarthy are refusing to testify. All three branches of government were involved. WOOT.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
    Petey Navarro is awful desperate not to go to jail. His delaying tactics aren’t going to work unless POOTWH gets re-elected and pardons him. What a lap dog of a traitor.
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    The real fruit from the poisonous tree.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,997
    i saw the hearings are going to be in prime time next week.

    at this point nothing is going to happen to trump or any of his allies, so what is the point in doing the hearings? we all know they are guilty and nothing will come of it. the hearings will confirm all that we already know. the trumpers will not watch it. fox will shit all over the hearings if they even cover them at all. and all this is going to do is motivate the maga individuals to come out to the polls.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
    i saw the hearings are going to be in prime time next week.

    at this point nothing is going to happen to trump or any of his allies, so what is the point in doing the hearings? we all know they are guilty and nothing will come of it. the hearings will confirm all that we already know. the trumpers will not watch it. fox will shit all over the hearings if they even cover them at all. and all this is going to do is motivate the maga individuals to come out to the polls.
    I believe there are going to be some pretty damning bombshells of either the extent of the planning, content of conversations and messages and some of the characters involved, SCOTUS Thomas perhaps? Most ‘Muricans haven’t been paying attention all that much and if they tune in, whether to the hearings or the reporting thereof, they may very well be disgusted by what transpired in the lead up to and the aftermath of 1/6.

    Will it change anything? Very unlikely. Its way too late.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 6,850
    i saw the hearings are going to be in prime time next week.

    at this point nothing is going to happen to trump or any of his allies, so what is the point in doing the hearings? we all know they are guilty and nothing will come of it. the hearings will confirm all that we already know. the trumpers will not watch it. fox will shit all over the hearings if they even cover them at all. and all this is going to do is motivate the maga individuals to come out to the polls.
    I believe there are going to be some pretty damning bombshells of either the extent of the planning, content of conversations and messages and some of the characters involved, SCOTUS Thomas perhaps? Most ‘Muricans haven’t been paying attention all that much and if they tune in, whether to the hearings or the reporting thereof, they may very well be disgusted by what transpired in the lead up to and the aftermath of 1/6.

    Will it change anything? Very unlikely. Its way too late.
    Agreed.

    Conservative Christians have been showing us for years that they would rather burn the country to the ground than share it with people they don't like. 

    I don't think there's any stopping the train at this point. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,293
    i saw the hearings are going to be in prime time next week.

    at this point nothing is going to happen to trump or any of his allies, so what is the point in doing the hearings? we all know they are guilty and nothing will come of it. the hearings will confirm all that we already know. the trumpers will not watch it. fox will shit all over the hearings if they even cover them at all. and all this is going to do is motivate the maga individuals to come out to the polls.
    I believe there are going to be some pretty damning bombshells of either the extent of the planning, content of conversations and messages and some of the characters involved, SCOTUS Thomas perhaps? Most ‘Muricans haven’t been paying attention all that much and if they tune in, whether to the hearings or the reporting thereof, they may very well be disgusted by what transpired in the lead up to and the aftermath of 1/6.

    Will it change anything? Very unlikely. Its way too late.
    Agreed.

    Conservative Christians have been showing us for years that they would rather burn the country to the ground than share it with people they don't like. 

    I don't think there's any stopping the train at this point. 

    really ironic too that they wouldnt know Christ if they saw him crossing a border.......
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,722
    mickeyrat said:
    i saw the hearings are going to be in prime time next week.

    at this point nothing is going to happen to trump or any of his allies, so what is the point in doing the hearings? we all know they are guilty and nothing will come of it. the hearings will confirm all that we already know. the trumpers will not watch it. fox will shit all over the hearings if they even cover them at all. and all this is going to do is motivate the maga individuals to come out to the polls.
    I believe there are going to be some pretty damning bombshells of either the extent of the planning, content of conversations and messages and some of the characters involved, SCOTUS Thomas perhaps? Most ‘Muricans haven’t been paying attention all that much and if they tune in, whether to the hearings or the reporting thereof, they may very well be disgusted by what transpired in the lead up to and the aftermath of 1/6.

    Will it change anything? Very unlikely. Its way too late.
    Agreed.

    Conservative Christians have been showing us for years that they would rather burn the country to the ground than share it with people they don't like. 

    I don't think there's any stopping the train at this point. 

    really ironic too that they wouldnt know Christ if they saw him crossing a border.......
    That's because they'd be looking for a blonde haired, blue eyed, pale skinned white guy
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,008
    How’s everyone feeling about Pence’s Chief of Staff contacting the Secret Service to express his fear for Pence’s safety? Threats not from BLM or ANTIIIIIIIIIIFA but from POOTWH and his minions? Everyone okay with it? Just another normal day in the world’s greatest democracy? Everyone good with it?

    Thats the fruit from the poisonous tree. How’s that tasting? Can’t happen here, huh?
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    How’s everyone feeling about Pence’s Chief of Staff contacting the Secret Service to express his fear for Pence’s safety? Threats not from BLM or ANTIIIIIIIIIIFA but from POOTWH and his minions? Everyone okay with it? Just another normal day in the world’s greatest democracy? Everyone good with it?

    Thats the fruit from the poisonous tree. How’s that tasting? Can’t happen here, huh?
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    Democrats, remember the Mueller report? Do the opposite in the Jan. 6 hearings.
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    Democracy defenders know what the Jan. 6 committee hearings due to begin Thursday must not do: follow the example of the Mueller report. That report and its author’s testimony were long, confusing and inconclusive.

    The Jan. 6 hearings and final report should aim to be the anti-Mueller report. Punchy hearings with plenty of visual aids, bullet-point summaries and concise testimony must deliver the definitive account of defeated president Donald Trump’s coup starting well before Jan. 6, 2021; a conclusion as to his criminality; and a compelling explanation for why prosecuting Trump and officials involved in the plot to overthrow the government is essential.

    The committee has two audiences. The most critical is the public at large. Rational Americans not already determined to exonerate Trump should be convinced of his intimate involvement in the coup, of the seriousness of his actions and of the need for prosecution. Ideally, there should be a groundswell of support for prosecution.

    The evidence must be so compelling that Republicans’ ongoing efforts to perpetrate the “big lie” and to rationalize or downplay the insurrection make them look foolish, dishonest and malicious. Perhaps that will encourage the media to stop treating Trump enablers as normal politicians and confront them at every opportunity about their betrayal of the country.

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    The second audience is the Justice Department. Its attorneys must be convinced by the facts presented that failure to prosecute is unthinkable. While the committee will not be bound by rules of evidence, the proceedings can go a long way toward illustrating just how compelling an account can be painted for a jury. Whether the committee makes a formal referral or not, Justice Department officials confident of successful prosecution should come away with powerful ammunition to convince their more reluctant colleagues.


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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,588
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    Democrats, remember the Mueller report? Do the opposite in the Jan. 6 hearings.
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    June 6, 2022 at 7:52 a.m. EDT
    Rep. Bennie G. Thompson, chair of the Jan. 6 committee, sits between Rep. Zoe Lofgren (left) and Rep. Liz Cheney, the vice chair. (J. Scott Applewhite/AP)

    Democracy defenders know what the Jan. 6 committee hearings due to begin Thursday must not do: follow the example of the Mueller report. That report and its author’s testimony were long, confusing and inconclusive.

    The Jan. 6 hearings and final report should aim to be the anti-Mueller report. Punchy hearings with plenty of visual aids, bullet-point summaries and concise testimony must deliver the definitive account of defeated president Donald Trump’s coup starting well before Jan. 6, 2021; a conclusion as to his criminality; and a compelling explanation for why prosecuting Trump and officials involved in the plot to overthrow the government is essential.

    The committee has two audiences. The most critical is the public at large. Rational Americans not already determined to exonerate Trump should be convinced of his intimate involvement in the coup, of the seriousness of his actions and of the need for prosecution. Ideally, there should be a groundswell of support for prosecution.

    The evidence must be so compelling that Republicans’ ongoing efforts to perpetrate the “big lie” and to rationalize or downplay the insurrection make them look foolish, dishonest and malicious. Perhaps that will encourage the media to stop treating Trump enablers as normal politicians and confront them at every opportunity about their betrayal of the country.

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    The second audience is the Justice Department. Its attorneys must be convinced by the facts presented that failure to prosecute is unthinkable. While the committee will not be bound by rules of evidence, the proceedings can go a long way toward illustrating just how compelling an account can be painted for a jury. Whether the committee makes a formal referral or not, Justice Department officials confident of successful prosecution should come away with powerful ammunition to convince their more reluctant colleagues.


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    I really hope it works out the way she’s hoping it does! Otherwise I think our democracy is done! 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,657
    It's highly unlikely they'll be any evidence of Trump's input outside of hearsay, and that all gets rejected by the majority of the public. He makes sure nothing is documented, kind of the opposite of Nixon.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,019
    pretty damn hard to prove incitement when he can easily argue (in court, we all know his actual intentions) that he didn't directly incite the crowd to do what they did, nor did he coordinate it. nothing will come of this except galvanized support for the man that is being "unjustly targeted by the radical democrats who are trying to destroy our country". 
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