Viruses / Vaccines

Spunkie

I read an article talking about SA secondary infections. It's the covid-19 naive people that scientists say have risk. (20% of the Americans).

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/17/1065315661/omicron-may-be-less-severe-in-south-africa-that-may-not-be-the-case-for-the-u-s

hedonist

GlowGirl said:

My 16 year old niece just tested positive for Covid today.  I just FaceTimed her. She is more upset about having to quarantine during her winter break from school than she is about having Covid. Her symptoms seem fairly mild so far - a mild fever and some body aches. I hope they stay that way. She is fully vaxxed but not yet boosted. 

Good thoughts to your niece. Glad her symptoms aren’t severe. 

lastexitlondon

Unvaccinated  ex wife isnt as well. Still having temperature  and has had vomiting .

mickeyrat

lastexitlondon said:

Unvaccinated  ex wife isnt as well. Still having temperature  and has had vomiting .

her 2nd time contracting it?

lastexitlondon

Yes first time just headaches. 

mickeyrat

lastexitlondon said:

Yes first time just headaches. 

curious,  was delta going around then?

lastexitlondon

Yeah it was recent. Delta for sure. Odd indeed

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

The Chinese were doing anal swabs.  Maybe that’s most accurate…

I have only 1 test since the pandemic started…

Does not sound like fun, but probably less of a discomfort than getting a prostate exam (ugh!).  Apparently very accurate as well:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210128/china-using-anal-swabs-for-covid-testing

"Li Tongzeng, deputy director of the respiratory and infectious diseases department at Beijing Youan Hospital, said in an interview with state media that anal swabs appear to be more accurate at detecting the coronavirus than nasal or throat testing."

Well I hope they soon bring the home anal test to market…

GlowGirl

hedonist said:

GlowGirl said:

My 16 year old niece just tested positive for Covid today.  I just FaceTimed her. She is more upset about having to quarantine during her winter break from school than she is about having Covid. Her symptoms seem fairly mild so far - a mild fever and some body aches. I hope they stay that way. She is fully vaxxed but not yet boosted. 

Good thoughts to your niece. Glad her symptoms aren’t severe. 

Thanks. So far, so good. 

stuckinline

lastexitlondon said:

Yeah it was recent. Delta for sure. Odd indeed

@lastexitlondon stay safe!

bootlegger10

I had a dream last night that I had to give myself a nasal swab test for covid-19.  I still haven't been tested for COVID19 one time since this all started which I am grateful for. 

bootlegger10

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

drakeheuer14

Commercials for various drugs even include “tell your doctor if you are or plan to get vaccinated against covid-19.” 

Found that interesting they say that. Maybe I haven’t noticed before, but I have never heard that for any other vaccine. Must be some worry in the scientific world about how it reacts with other meds? 

mrussel1

bootlegger10 said:

I had a dream last night that I had to give myself a nasal swab test for covid-19.  I still haven't been tested for COVID19 one time since this all started which I am grateful for. 

Well at least you're not dreaming of the anal swabs

brianlux

bootlegger10 said:

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

I'm not sure how getting the vaccine is "rolling the dice".  I would say not getting the vaccine is more like pulling the trigger with the Russian roulette revolver pointed at your head.  I'm not saying people should be forced to get vaccinated, just smart enough to do it on their own.

bootlegger10

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

I'm not sure how getting the vaccine is "rolling the dice".  I would say not getting the vaccine is more like pulling the trigger with the Russian roulette revolver pointed at your head.  I'm not saying people should be forced to get vaccinated, just smart enough to do it on their own.

When I said roll the dice, I meant not getting the vaccine.   

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

we know that all potential side effects of the vaccine are much worse and much higher incidence with covid (myocardia and blood pressure issues, not to mention all the long covid stufff). people are rolling more dice not getting the vaccine than getting it. 

nicknyr15

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

I'm not sure how getting the vaccine is "rolling the dice".  I would say not getting the vaccine is more like pulling the trigger with the Russian roulette revolver pointed at your head.  I'm not saying people should be forced to get vaccinated, just smart enough to do it on their own.

So you’re against vaccine mandates ?

brianlux

nicknyr15 said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

I'm not sure how getting the vaccine is "rolling the dice".  I would say not getting the vaccine is more like pulling the trigger with the Russian roulette revolver pointed at your head.  I'm not saying people should be forced to get vaccinated, just smart enough to do it on their own.

So you’re against vaccine mandates ?

That is a very difficult question.  First of all, it bugs the crap out of me that it should even come down to mandates.  If everyone got vaccinated, we could get past this thing.  On the other hand, where do you stop with mandates?  What if the government said we all had to have chips inserted under our skin?  Would I be OK with that?  Heck no.
So yeah, I'd have to say I'm against mandating the vaccine.  But if anyone wants to see me and is not vaccinated, I will tell them, "Sorry, go away".  I'm definitely in favor of putting social pressure on people to vaccinate. Getting vaccinated is the right thing to do.

nicknyr15

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't think people who didn't get the vaccine are idiots.  I got the vaccine even before my age group because there were spots available and the shots would have gone to waste.  But, I think it has to be extreme situations to force someone to take a drug or vaccine without their approval.   I know a person in my immediate family that got the vaccine and within a week they were dealing with high/low blood pressure and AFIB when they never had those issues before (and still dealing with it 10 months later).  I think it is too much of a coincidence (J&J by the way).   The media downplays the incidents as rare but look at J&J's vaccine and now how a year later they want to pull the J&J vaccine.  So people are idiots because they don't want to take a vaccine that they don't trust or they don't think is worth their risk, but 10 months later they are told not to take the J&J vaccine?

For me, personally, I thought the vaccine was worth the risk and it was the price of admission for a lot of events.  But I don't blame anyone for looking at the facts (death rate is not high for those under 65) and they want to roll the dice.  Yes, there are idiots out there who think there is a computer chip in the vaccine, but there are also people out there who do their research and come to their own conclusion on what is best for them personally.  It is ludicrous to think that a vaccine is safe for all and there is no risk.  There are a lot of people out there with a lot of conditions that doctor's can't explain or mitigate, and no reason to believe that the vaccine won't impact someone in an unexpected way.   

I'm not sure how getting the vaccine is "rolling the dice".  I would say not getting the vaccine is more like pulling the trigger with the Russian roulette revolver pointed at your head.  I'm not saying people should be forced to get vaccinated, just smart enough to do it on their own.

So you’re against vaccine mandates ?

That is a very difficult question.  First of all, it bugs the crap out of me that it should even come down to mandates.  If everyone got vaccinated, we could get past this thing.  On the other hand, where do you stop with mandates?  What if the government said we all had to have chips inserted under our skin?  Would I be OK with that?  Heck no.
So yeah, I'd have to say I'm against mandating the vaccine.  But if anyone wants to see me and is not vaccinated, I will tell them, "Sorry, go away".  I'm definitely in favor of putting social pressure on people to vaccinate. Getting vaccinated is the right thing to do.

I agree. I was for the mandates for city and government workers here in NYC because technically, they are your boss. But this latest round of mandates here feels like our PoS Mayor is overstepping. Anyone who works anywhere has to be vaccinated and children 5-11 must be vaccinated to go to restaurant , movie theaters. I think that’s ridiculous.