I’m not an expert so this is just a guess that the more they issue the better the chance that one or more feel they’ve got too much lose. I could see a mom of young children breaking, but like I said I don’t know anything about the law just my common sense answer.
my point is that bannon and the others that have been subpoenad have blown them off and have not been arrested yet. so by issuing more subpoenas there will be more people ignoring them since the democrats have absolutely failed to hold any of those people accountable.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I really have no idea how much time these people should get. Maybe I'm naive, but I really believe most of them were 1) there to protest and by the time they got into the capital building were just having fun and 2) were suckered in by Team Trump to create the chaos that would allow the insurrection to take place (meaning that someone was there to kill or abduct Pence and/or others).
Would that blonde realtor from Texas or the Qanon Shaman have killed Pence or some Dem if the opportunity had presented itself? I'd say no for her and probably not for him. Most of the people were suckers (as they're finding out when 45/47 isn't coming to their rescue). I'm not saying there should be no consequence...I'm just saying that this is very strange and fairly unprecedented. I put much more value on getting to the bottom of was planned and what these morons were unwittingly running interference for.
Zip-line guy should be sitting under a hot light right now getting threatened with the biggest possible punishment. I'd say he's much more likely than Shaman to know anything.
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of course both crimes are disgusting, one more so than the other and I realize the first probably won’t get 16 years but come on, attacking the capital….people come to this country to get away from shit like that…..
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
No, the Bundy Fun Bunch and the Proud Boyz are going to surround his house and have an armed stand-off. This is culminating in what Steve O has always wanted, to go out in a blaze of glory and be a martyr to the cause of a white nationalist authoritarian regime.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
It doesn't work like for white collar criminals who have lawyers. They will negotiate the surrender with the authorities. Yes it's a felony, but it's not a violent felony. He won't be able to leave teh country through the TSA, but they don't need a no knock raid either.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
except this was issued by DOJ. under indictment by grand jury.... after house referral for contempt of congress
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now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
except this was issied by DOJ.
I understand that. Negotiating your surrender is not uncommon. Avoid the perp walk, wasted resources looking for someone, etc. it’s also a “non-violent offense” he’s charged with. Not all indicted individuals are “arrested” upon indictment.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
except this was issied by DOJ.
I understand that. Negotiating your surrender is not uncommon. Avoid the perp walk, wasted resources looking for someone, etc. it’s also a “non-violent offense” he’s charged with. Not all indicted individuals are “arrested” upon indictment.
criminal contempt.....
WASHINGTON (AP) — Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, was indicted Friday on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress after he defied a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
The Justice Department said Bannon, 67, was indicted on one count for refusing to appear for a deposition last month and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee’s subpoena. He is expected to surrender to authorities on Monday and will appear in court that afternoon, a law enforcement official told the AP. The person was granted anonymity to discuss the case.
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now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
except this was issied by DOJ.
I understand that. Negotiating your surrender is not uncommon. Avoid the perp walk, wasted resources looking for someone, etc. it’s also a “non-violent offense” he’s charged with. Not all indicted individuals are “arrested” upon indictment.
criminal contempt.....
WASHINGTON (AP) — Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, was indicted Friday on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress after he defied a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
The Justice Department said Bannon, 67, was indicted on one count for refusing to appear for a deposition last month and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee’s subpoena. He is expected to surrender to authorities on Monday and will appear in court that afternoon, a law enforcement official told the AP. The person was granted anonymity to discuss the case.
They should have charged him with "inherent Contempt." But they didn't.
Inherent contempt, not criminal contempt, is the way to get Bannon in jail now for his flagrant refusal to comply with a duly authorized congressional subpoena, but Democrats do not seem to want to use this power. Adam Schiff threw around the words “inherent contempt” back when Trump was stonewalling congressional investigations into foreign interference, but never used it. Jamie Raskin has included inherent contempt in the list of possible Select Committee responses to uncooperative witnesses, but now that we have a real-life uncooperative witness, we’re back to criminal contempt.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
except this was issied by DOJ.
I understand that. Negotiating your surrender is not uncommon. Avoid the perp walk, wasted resources looking for someone, etc. it’s also a “non-violent offense” he’s charged with. Not all indicted individuals are “arrested” upon indictment.
criminal contempt.....
WASHINGTON (AP) — Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, was indicted Friday on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress after he defied a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
The Justice Department said Bannon, 67, was indicted on one count for refusing to appear for a deposition last month and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee’s subpoena. He is expected to surrender to authorities on Monday and will appear in court that afternoon, a law enforcement official told the AP. The person was granted anonymity to discuss the case.
They should have charged him with "inherent Contempt." But they didn't.
Inherent contempt, not criminal contempt, is the way to get Bannon in jail now for his flagrant refusal to comply with a duly authorized congressional subpoena, but Democrats do not seem to want to use this power. Adam Schiff threw around the words “inherent contempt” back when Trump was stonewalling congressional investigations into foreign interference, but never used it. Jamie Raskin has included inherent contempt in the list of possible Select Committee responses to uncooperative witnesses, but now that we have a real-life uncooperative witness, we’re back to criminal contempt.
He should not be jailed for this contempt. That's too harsh. And to say it's because of what he knows about Jan 6 seems like a stretch to use that type of charge (with that type of outcome). He would look like a political prisoner. The optics would be terrible. Now if he refuses again to testify, after presumably receiving another summons, then I think you could jail him AFTER a trial. And you would have contempt of court as well I would think.
now the trick is to arrest him. i hope someone confiscated his passport because you know he is about to fly.
Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
I believe because its a civil matter and wouldn't become criminal unless he didn't respond to the indictment. Reports are saying he'll show for court on Monday. In which case a judge will probably ask him if he intends to answer the subpoena. If he says no, the judge can jail him until he changes his mind, or give him X amount of time to reconsider or pending reasons given for not testifying, deciding on whether Steve O's claims have merit (as to why not answering the subpoena). My guess is he claims executive privilege.
No it's a criminal matter now. It's a felony that is punishable by one year in jail and 100k fine. Two charges of felony contempt is what he faces.
But I believe failure to appear before Congress or a committee thereof is initially treated as a civil matter, similar to being served with papers or to appear in court. They don’t arrest you when you’re served but after you fail to appear and subsequently get indicted. If Steve O fails to show for court on Monday, an arrest warrant will be issued and law enforcement will go looking for him. Congress doesn’t have the power to arrest, hence why he hasn’t been arrested yet. He’s likely negotiated a Monday surrender. Happens all the time in white collar crime cases.
except this was issied by DOJ.
I understand that. Negotiating your surrender is not uncommon. Avoid the perp walk, wasted resources looking for someone, etc. it’s also a “non-violent offense” he’s charged with. Not all indicted individuals are “arrested” upon indictment.
criminal contempt.....
WASHINGTON (AP) — Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, was indicted Friday on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress after he defied a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
The Justice Department said Bannon, 67, was indicted on one count for refusing to appear for a deposition last month and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee’s subpoena. He is expected to surrender to authorities on Monday and will appear in court that afternoon, a law enforcement official told the AP. The person was granted anonymity to discuss the case.
They should have charged him with "inherent Contempt." But they didn't.
Inherent contempt, not criminal contempt, is the way to get Bannon in jail now for his flagrant refusal to comply with a duly authorized congressional subpoena, but Democrats do not seem to want to use this power. Adam Schiff threw around the words “inherent contempt” back when Trump was stonewalling congressional investigations into foreign interference, but never used it. Jamie Raskin has included inherent contempt in the list of possible Select Committee responses to uncooperative witnesses, but now that we have a real-life uncooperative witness, we’re back to criminal contempt.
He should not be jailed for this contempt. That's too harsh. And to say it's because of what he knows about Jan 6 seems like a stretch to use that type of charge (with that type of outcome). He would look like a political prisoner. The optics would be terrible. Now if he refuses again to testify, after presumably receiving another summons, then I think you could jail him AFTER a trial. And you would have contempt of court as well I would think.
I believe, if he appears in court on Monday, Steve O will plead innocent, the judge will hear his request to dismiss based on executive privilege but may set bail, order surrender of his passport, to ensure he shows for trial or jail him pending trial, which is unlikely. If he violates any of the conditions of his bail, say sent to home confinement awaiting trial, or speaks with co-conspirators (don't know if there are any or if its an issue, just example of violating bail terms), a motion would be filed to have him arrested and a warrant issued.
As much as I want the prick in jail, I don't think he should be jailed now either. I think its more of DOJ making sure they do things by the book and sending a message to the rest of the cabal. That said, Steve O and the rest will do everything they can to run out the clock on the committee and hope it all goes away when the repubs take control of the house and disband the committee.
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Why do I get the feeling most of the guilty are going to get off easy. Am I just being a pessimist, or is it because the media makes it look that way, or is it because that is a likely outcome?
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Why do I get the feeling most of the guilty are going to get off easy. Am I just being a pessimist, or is it because the media makes it look that way, or is it because that is a likely outcome?
Yes, getting off easy
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
Why do I get the feeling most of the guilty are going to get off easy. Am I just being a pessimist, or is it because the media makes it look that way, or is it because that is a likely outcome?
This is assuming that anyone is guilty and can be proven so.
Why do I get the feeling most of the guilty are going to get off easy. Am I just being a pessimist, or is it because the media makes it look that way, or is it because that is a likely outcome?
This is assuming that anyone is guilty and can be proven so.
Yeah no doubt specially them being tourists and all not knowing what they were doing they should get a pass! That’s what is great about America everyone gets a 2nd chance 😂😂
QAnon shaman’ sentenced to 41 months for role in Capitol riot By Tom Jackman November 17 at 12:07 PM EST Jacob Chansley, whose brightly painted face, tattooed torso and horned cap became a visual icon of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, was sentenced Wednesday to 41 months in prison by a federal judge in Washington. His lawyer had asked the judge to impose a sentence of time already served, basically the entire 10 months since the insurrection, during which Chansley attracted more attention for demanding an organic diet while in jail and giving an interview to “60 Minutes.” The sentence of roughly 3 ½ years is equal to the longest yet handed down to a Capitol rioter. Of the roughly 130 people who have pleaded guilty so far, only 16 have admitted to felonies, and Chansley is the fourth felon to be sentenced. The other three received terms of eight, 14 and last week a man who punched a Capitol police officer also received 41 months. Chansley, 34, was photographed parading shirtless through the halls of the Capitol with a six-foot spear, howling through a bullhorn and then sitting in the vice president’s chair in the Senate. He became known as the “QAnon Shaman” because of his appearances at gatherings of the “QAnon” conspiracy theorists and his Shamanic religious beliefs. Prosecutors quoted Chansley offering a prayer while sitting at the dais of the Senate, thanking God for “filling this chamber with patriots that love you. … Thank you for allowing us to get rid of the communists, the globalists, and the traitors within our government.” Chansley’s “now-famous criminal acts made him the public face of the Capitol riot,” prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo. With a suggested sentencing range of 41 to 51 months, the government asked for the maximum 51 months.
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QAnon shaman’ sentenced to 41 months for role in Capitol riot By Tom Jackman November 17 at 12:07 PM EST Jacob Chansley, whose brightly painted face, tattooed torso and horned cap became a visual icon of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, was sentenced Wednesday to 41 months in prison by a federal judge in Washington. His lawyer had asked the judge to impose a sentence of time already served, basically the entire 10 months since the insurrection, during which Chansley attracted more attention for demanding an organic diet while in jail and giving an interview to “60 Minutes.” The sentence of roughly 3 ½ years is equal to the longest yet handed down to a Capitol rioter. Of the roughly 130 people who have pleaded guilty so far, only 16 have admitted to felonies, and Chansley is the fourth felon to be sentenced. The other three received terms of eight, 14 and last week a man who punched a Capitol police officer also received 41 months. Chansley, 34, was photographed parading shirtless through the halls of the Capitol with a six-foot spear, howling through a bullhorn and then sitting in the vice president’s chair in the Senate. He became known as the “QAnon Shaman” because of his appearances at gatherings of the “QAnon” conspiracy theorists and his Shamanic religious beliefs. Prosecutors quoted Chansley offering a prayer while sitting at the dais of the Senate, thanking God for “filling this chamber with patriots that love you. … Thank you for allowing us to get rid of the communists, the globalists, and the traitors within our government.” Chansley’s “now-famous criminal acts made him the public face of the Capitol riot,” prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo. With a suggested sentencing range of 41 to 51 months, the government asked for the maximum 51 months.
continues....
No tears shed here. His fans will bleat a cry foul and try to make him a martyr. Hopefully, as time passes, he will just fade into the woodwork (or the bars or whatever).
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A man said he’d hang 6 members of Congress who didn’t ‘get behind’ Trump, feds say. He got 33 months in prison. By Gina Harkins December 02 at 4:44 AM EST The six voice mails were all left after midnight on Dec. 16, 2020 — two days after the electoral college affirmed Joe Biden’s victory in the presidential election. “This is Ryder Winegar,” the first message began, according to court records. The caller left his New Hampshire phone number before telling an unnamed member of Congress to “support Donald Trump” as president. “There has been massive fraud in this country,” the message continued. “And if you don't support it, we're going to drag you out and we're going to hang you by your neck to die. Good luck.” Winegar, 34, of Amherst, N.H., pleaded guilty in August to six counts of threatening members of Congress and one count of transmitting interstate threatening communications. On Wednesday, he was sentenced to 33 months in federal prison. “This sentence should send a message … that those who threaten to commit acts of violence against duly-elected legislators will be held accountable,” acting U.S. Attorney John Farley said in a statement. Winegar’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Thursday. Investigators did not name the lawmakers who received the threatening messages. Democrats and Republicans alike have reported receiving death threats in recent months, including Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) who, during a Tuesday news conference, played a voice mail from a man telling her she would “not live much longer.” Omar received the message after Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) on Monday accused her of “anti-American” and “antisemitic” rhetoric. [House GOP leaders face calls to confront Islamophobia among their ranks] Threats against politicians “to prevent them from carrying out their constitutional duties is a federal crime, not protected speech,” Joseph Bonavolonta, the FBI Boston Division’s special agent in charge, said after Winegar’s sentencing. The sentencing comes as hundreds face charges for their alleged roles in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, in which a mob attempted to halt the certification of Biden’s victory. Some rioters chanted “Hang Mike Pence!” during the insurrection. A gallows and rope were assembled outside the Capitol. Three weeks earlier, federal investigators said Winegar called six lawmakers — three in the House and three in the Senate — and left “graphic threats.” He repeatedly said the politicians should back Trump, according to federal transcripts of the messages, while threatening them and their staffs. “I might have to come and hang you personally, like until you die, and all of your aides, including you, who are listening to this right now,” one of the message transcripts read. [N.Y. man gets 19 months for urging Trump supporters to kill lawmakers who backed election results] Members of the U.S. Capitol Police tried to interview Winegar on Dec. 20, four days after lawmakers received the messages, but Justice Department officials said he refused to speak with the officers. The next day — before investigators could return with search and arrest warrants — Winegar boarded a flight to Brazil, leaving his family at home, according to a Justice Department news release. He was arrested after he returned to the United States on Jan. 11. After his arrest, investigators said they learned of an email threat he sent to a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives two days before he called the members of Congress. In that email, Winegar “threatened to pull the representative from his bed and hang him,” the DOJ release said. Farley, the acting U.S. attorney, said in his statement that while political expression is protected speech, threats to commit violence are serious federal crimes. “By threatening to kill members of Congress and a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, this defendant sought to intimidate public officials,” he said. “As this prosecution demonstrates, such conduct is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.”
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Would that blonde realtor from Texas or the Qanon Shaman have killed Pence or some Dem if the opportunity had presented itself? I'd say no for her and probably not for him. Most of the people were suckers (as they're finding out when 45/47 isn't coming to their rescue). I'm not saying there should be no consequence...I'm just saying that this is very strange and fairly unprecedented. I put much more value on getting to the bottom of was planned and what these morons were unwittingly running interference for.
Zip-line guy should be sitting under a hot light right now getting threatened with the biggest possible punishment. I'd say he's much more likely than Shaman to know anything.
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Facing 16 years and no one died
https://people.com/crime/student-accused-of-rigging-homecoming-queen-election-with-her-assistant-principal-mom/
Convicted and sentenced to 25 and 30 and no one died
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/three-sentenced-in-plot-to-bomb-somali-immigrants-041219
of course both crimes are disgusting, one more so than the other and I realize the first probably won’t get 16 years but come on, attacking the capital….people come to this country to get away from shit like that…..
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Serious question - why hasn't he been arrested yet?
It's not like Bannon has been lying (laying?) low the last few weeks
An officer should have arrested Bannon the minute the indictment dropped
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except this was issued by DOJ. under indictment by grand jury.... after house referral for contempt of congress
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, was indicted Friday on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress after he defied a subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.
The Justice Department said Bannon, 67, was indicted on one count for refusing to appear for a deposition last month and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee’s subpoena. He is expected to surrender to authorities on Monday and will appear in court that afternoon, a law enforcement official told the AP. The person was granted anonymity to discuss the case.
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Inherent contempt, not criminal contempt, is the way to get Bannon in jail now for his flagrant refusal to comply with a duly authorized congressional subpoena, but Democrats do not seem to want to use this power. Adam Schiff threw around the words “inherent contempt” back when Trump was stonewalling congressional investigations into foreign interference, but never used it. Jamie Raskin has included inherent contempt in the list of possible Select Committee responses to uncooperative witnesses, but now that we have a real-life uncooperative witness, we’re back to criminal contempt.
Why Isn’t Steve Bannon in Jail? Ask the Democrats. | The Nation
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As much as I want the prick in jail, I don't think he should be jailed now either. I think its more of DOJ making sure they do things by the book and sending a message to the rest of the cabal. That said, Steve O and the rest will do everything they can to run out the clock on the committee and hope it all goes away when the repubs take control of the house and disband the committee.
Uncharted waters, to some degree.
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Yes, getting off easy
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/jacob-chansley-qanon-shaman-sentence/2021/11/17/59d9ce26-47b1-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html
By Tom Jackman
November 17 at 12:07 PM EST
Jacob Chansley, whose brightly painted face, tattooed torso and horned cap became a visual icon of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, was sentenced Wednesday to 41 months in prison by a federal judge in Washington. His lawyer had asked the judge to impose a sentence of time already served, basically the entire 10 months since the insurrection, during which Chansley attracted more attention for demanding an organic diet while in jail and giving an interview to “60 Minutes.”
The sentence of roughly 3 ½ years is equal to the longest yet handed down to a Capitol rioter. Of the roughly 130 people who have pleaded guilty so far, only 16 have admitted to felonies, and Chansley is the fourth felon to be sentenced. The other three received terms of eight, 14 and last week a man who punched a Capitol police officer also received 41 months.
Chansley, 34, was photographed parading shirtless through the halls of the Capitol with a six-foot spear, howling through a bullhorn and then sitting in the vice president’s chair in the Senate. He became known as the “QAnon Shaman” because of his appearances at gatherings of the “QAnon” conspiracy theorists and his Shamanic religious beliefs.
Prosecutors quoted Chansley offering a prayer while sitting at the dais of the Senate, thanking God for “filling this chamber with patriots that love you. … Thank you for allowing us to get rid of the communists, the globalists, and the traitors within our government.”
Chansley’s “now-famous criminal acts made him the public face of the Capitol riot,” prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo. With a suggested sentencing range of 41 to 51 months, the government asked for the maximum 51 months.
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No tears shed here. His fans will bleat a cry foul and try to make him a martyr. Hopefully, as time passes, he will just fade into the woodwork (or the bars or whatever).
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By Gina Harkins
December 02 at 4:44 AM EST
The six voice mails were all left after midnight on Dec. 16, 2020 — two days after the electoral college affirmed Joe Biden’s victory in the presidential election.
“This is Ryder Winegar,” the first message began, according to court records. The caller left his New Hampshire phone number before telling an unnamed member of Congress to “support Donald Trump” as president.
“There has been massive fraud in this country,” the message continued. “And if you don't support it, we're going to drag you out and we're going to hang you by your neck to die. Good luck.”
Winegar, 34, of Amherst, N.H., pleaded guilty in August to six counts of threatening members of Congress and one count of transmitting interstate threatening communications. On Wednesday, he was sentenced to 33 months in federal prison.
“This sentence should send a message … that those who threaten to commit acts of violence against duly-elected legislators will be held accountable,” acting U.S. Attorney John Farley said in a statement.
Winegar’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Thursday.
Investigators did not name the lawmakers who received the threatening messages. Democrats and Republicans alike have reported receiving death threats in recent months, including Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) who, during a Tuesday news conference, played a voice mail from a man telling her she would “not live much longer.” Omar received the message after Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) on Monday accused her of “anti-American” and “antisemitic” rhetoric.
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Threats against politicians “to prevent them from carrying out their constitutional duties is a federal crime, not protected speech,” Joseph Bonavolonta, the FBI Boston Division’s special agent in charge, said after Winegar’s sentencing.
The sentencing comes as hundreds face charges for their alleged roles in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, in which a mob attempted to halt the certification of Biden’s victory. Some rioters chanted “Hang Mike Pence!” during the insurrection. A gallows and rope were assembled outside the Capitol.
Three weeks earlier, federal investigators said Winegar called six lawmakers — three in the House and three in the Senate — and left “graphic threats.” He repeatedly said the politicians should back Trump, according to federal transcripts of the messages, while threatening them and their staffs.
“I might have to come and hang you personally, like until you die, and all of your aides, including you, who are listening to this right now,” one of the message transcripts read.
[N.Y. man gets 19 months for urging Trump supporters to kill lawmakers who backed election results]
Members of the U.S. Capitol Police tried to interview Winegar on Dec. 20, four days after lawmakers received the messages, but Justice Department officials said he refused to speak with the officers.
The next day — before investigators could return with search and arrest warrants — Winegar boarded a flight to Brazil, leaving his family at home, according to a Justice Department news release. He was arrested after he returned to the United States on Jan. 11.
After his arrest, investigators said they learned of an email threat he sent to a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives two days before he called the members of Congress. In that email, Winegar “threatened to pull the representative from his bed and hang him,” the DOJ release said.
Farley, the acting U.S. attorney, said in his statement that while political expression is protected speech, threats to commit violence are serious federal crimes.
“By threatening to kill members of Congress and a member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, this defendant sought to intimidate public officials,” he said. “As this prosecution demonstrates, such conduct is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.”
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