The Democrats have terrible messaging. The infrastructure fight went on so long that everyone forgot about it. Worse, they pass it AFTER election day. That's idiotic. You pass it two weeks before to campaign on it. Unfortunately the far left and the two senators had their heads up their collective asses.
It is strange... unemployment is low, jobs are high, pandemic is abetting quickly, stock market is at a record, GDP will be doulbe this year compared to last year, and yet only 30% of people have a positive outlook on the economy. I'm sorry, that is crazy. I know inflation is up right now but that is absolutely temporary and connected to the supply chain. All this tells me that we have a messaging issue.
There's also a contradiction in place. Can the economy be great and positive while the left pushes for transformational changes in our social structure? It creates a paradox. How do you run on a great economy while blasting it at the same time.
When it comes to kitchen table issues that get the voters in the booths, GDP and the stock market have nothing to do with the economy. Inflation, the cost of groceries, cost of gas and stagnating wages are what gets swing voters to the polls. All the messaging in the world about any of this being temporary won't hold water. Since when has anything the government said is temporary actually been? Im with Ledbetterman, Dems need to push for legalization, maybe show that their policies will help ease the current frustrations facing the "folks" out there. It isn't crazy to have a negative outlook on the economy especially for millennials and zoomers that are the first generations in a long while to actually have it worse off in terms of creating net worth etc than their parents.
Of course pushing for programs that might actually help is easier said than done, especially with one party and two senators that don't want to see any progress.
I don't fully agree with this. Economic optimism spans the lower to the upper class. McAuliffe lost VA by 2 points because VA wen from +19 D with independents in 2020 to -9. last week. And you can see these numbers play out specifically in the suburbs of NOVA which are middle to upper middle class. These are people with 401ks and know exactly what the macro conditions are. Sure gas and groceries are part of that equation, but it's more than that.
And I disagree that federal legalization swings independents back to Biden. I don't think it hurts them, but it's not an issue that puts D's on the offense.
That's what makes it so hard for the Dems. What was the difference? I would not be surprised if it was CRT, the Willie Horton of 2021. It's a lot harder for the Dems to scare people, whether it's because they're poorer at it or their potential voters are just not as jittery.
Yes it was CRT in part. Second, the exit polling in VA showed voters with a 42% approval rating of Trump and over 50% of Youngkin. This tells you that Trump is poison and the D's were not effective in tying Trump and Youngkin. But education "choice" become a topic and abortion was not.
Listen, I think the language of the educated left, the younger left, does not play well with parents. This is a quote from Youngkin's big education speech:
We all know education starts with curriculum. We will teach all history, the good and the bad. America has fabulous chapters and it’s the greatest country in the world, but we also have some abhorrent chapters in our history, we must teach them. We can’t know where we are going if we don’t know where we came from.
But let me be clear: what we won’t do is teach our children to view everything through the lens of race, where we divide them into buckets; one group’s an oppressor and another group is the victim; and we pitch them against each other … We know it’s not right. We know in our hearts it’s wrong. We are all created equal and we’re trying so hard to live up to those immortal words of Martin Luther King Jr., who implored us to be better than we are; to judge one another based on the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
Jemele Hill proclaimed on Twitter that the Youngkin win proves the country loves white supremacy. Is this quote and this perspective meet that bar? I don't think so. And this is not far off (if at all) from Obama's perspective. Is Youngkin overstating the oppressor/victim equation? Yes maybe a bit. But Hill did nothing by reinforce it.
This is a big part of why Terry lost. He lost our edge in teh suburbs. Trump repulsed people like me. Youngkin did not.
Great point. I forget where I saw it but the way the republicans have successfully branded CRT as sort of reverse racism it's given a lane for seemingly moderate republicans to make themselves actually sound like Obama. Lol....
Just another example of the liberal wing of the democratic party shooting themselves in their collective feet yet again.
For a party that just cut child poverty in half, doesn't it seem crazy that the dems didn't highlight that in the VA race? Anyone contending that's a federal issue should be countered that every state wide race is actually a federal one because states are changing election laws impacting federal elections.
10 months after a violent attempt to override a presidential election (and a coordinated cover-up by republicans) a solid lean blue state flips red based mostly on a make believe CRT? And Biden is at 38% approval after all the crap trump pulled? Yeah, America is screwed.
The Democrats have terrible messaging. The infrastructure fight went on so long that everyone forgot about it. Worse, they pass it AFTER election day. That's idiotic. You pass it two weeks before to campaign on it. Unfortunately the far left and the two senators had their heads up their collective asses.
It is strange... unemployment is low, jobs are high, pandemic is abetting quickly, stock market is at a record, GDP will be doulbe this year compared to last year, and yet only 30% of people have a positive outlook on the economy. I'm sorry, that is crazy. I know inflation is up right now but that is absolutely temporary and connected to the supply chain. All this tells me that we have a messaging issue.
There's also a contradiction in place. Can the economy be great and positive while the left pushes for transformational changes in our social structure? It creates a paradox. How do you run on a great economy while blasting it at the same time.
When it comes to kitchen table issues that get the voters in the booths, GDP and the stock market have nothing to do with the economy. Inflation, the cost of groceries, cost of gas and stagnating wages are what gets swing voters to the polls. All the messaging in the world about any of this being temporary won't hold water. Since when has anything the government said is temporary actually been? Im with Ledbetterman, Dems need to push for legalization, maybe show that their policies will help ease the current frustrations facing the "folks" out there. It isn't crazy to have a negative outlook on the economy especially for millennials and zoomers that are the first generations in a long while to actually have it worse off in terms of creating net worth etc than their parents.
Of course pushing for programs that might actually help is easier said than done, especially with one party and two senators that don't want to see any progress.
I don't fully agree with this. Economic optimism spans the lower to the upper class. McAuliffe lost VA by 2 points because VA wen from +19 D with independents in 2020 to -9. last week. And you can see these numbers play out specifically in the suburbs of NOVA which are middle to upper middle class. These are people with 401ks and know exactly what the macro conditions are. Sure gas and groceries are part of that equation, but it's more than that.
And I disagree that federal legalization swings independents back to Biden. I don't think it hurts them, but it's not an issue that puts D's on the offense.
That's what makes it so hard for the Dems. What was the difference? I would not be surprised if it was CRT, the Willie Horton of 2021. It's a lot harder for the Dems to scare people, whether it's because they're poorer at it or their potential voters are just not as jittery.
Yes it was CRT in part. Second, the exit polling in VA showed voters with a 42% approval rating of Trump and over 50% of Youngkin. This tells you that Trump is poison and the D's were not effective in tying Trump and Youngkin. But education "choice" become a topic and abortion was not.
Listen, I think the language of the educated left, the younger left, does not play well with parents. This is a quote from Youngkin's big education speech:
We all know education starts with curriculum. We will teach all history, the good and the bad. America has fabulous chapters and it’s the greatest country in the world, but we also have some abhorrent chapters in our history, we must teach them. We can’t know where we are going if we don’t know where we came from.
But let me be clear: what we won’t do is teach our children to view everything through the lens of race, where we divide them into buckets; one group’s an oppressor and another group is the victim; and we pitch them against each other … We know it’s not right. We know in our hearts it’s wrong. We are all created equal and we’re trying so hard to live up to those immortal words of Martin Luther King Jr., who implored us to be better than we are; to judge one another based on the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
Jemele Hill proclaimed on Twitter that the Youngkin win proves the country loves white supremacy. Is this quote and this perspective meet that bar? I don't think so. And this is not far off (if at all) from Obama's perspective. Is Youngkin overstating the oppressor/victim equation? Yes maybe a bit. But Hill did nothing by reinforce it.
This is a big part of why Terry lost. He lost our edge in teh suburbs. Trump repulsed people like me. Youngkin did not.
It's kinda tricky...because the party still pretty much exists in the image of Trump. But the Dems have to do more than just say that Trump's bad. The more removed the person is from Trump (even if they are effectively trumpian), the more the ties to Trump will fall on deaf ears or even turn voters off.
As for his quote on education, he did a good job of playing both sides. He didn't say "we have to teach the other side of the holocaust" but he did feed the fears that the goal is to vilify white people, which is crap. Not exactly sure what's going on...did the VA GOP decide to go a bit moderate because VA is purple? Did they just have no good nutbars to run? Either way, watch this guy because it'll be interesting to see whether he becomes Trumpian. There's a lot pressure in that party to do so.
A nut job ran in the primary but he was crushed. Republicans had run idiots for a decade. This was the first Romney type guy in a while.
The Democrats have terrible messaging. The infrastructure fight went on so long that everyone forgot about it. Worse, they pass it AFTER election day. That's idiotic. You pass it two weeks before to campaign on it. Unfortunately the far left and the two senators had their heads up their collective asses.
It is strange... unemployment is low, jobs are high, pandemic is abetting quickly, stock market is at a record, GDP will be doulbe this year compared to last year, and yet only 30% of people have a positive outlook on the economy. I'm sorry, that is crazy. I know inflation is up right now but that is absolutely temporary and connected to the supply chain. All this tells me that we have a messaging issue.
There's also a contradiction in place. Can the economy be great and positive while the left pushes for transformational changes in our social structure? It creates a paradox. How do you run on a great economy while blasting it at the same time.
When it comes to kitchen table issues that get the voters in the booths, GDP and the stock market have nothing to do with the economy. Inflation, the cost of groceries, cost of gas and stagnating wages are what gets swing voters to the polls. All the messaging in the world about any of this being temporary won't hold water. Since when has anything the government said is temporary actually been? Im with Ledbetterman, Dems need to push for legalization, maybe show that their policies will help ease the current frustrations facing the "folks" out there. It isn't crazy to have a negative outlook on the economy especially for millennials and zoomers that are the first generations in a long while to actually have it worse off in terms of creating net worth etc than their parents.
Of course pushing for programs that might actually help is easier said than done, especially with one party and two senators that don't want to see any progress.
I don't fully agree with this. Economic optimism spans the lower to the upper class. McAuliffe lost VA by 2 points because VA wen from +19 D with independents in 2020 to -9. last week. And you can see these numbers play out specifically in the suburbs of NOVA which are middle to upper middle class. These are people with 401ks and know exactly what the macro conditions are. Sure gas and groceries are part of that equation, but it's more than that.
And I disagree that federal legalization swings independents back to Biden. I don't think it hurts them, but it's not an issue that puts D's on the offense.
That's what makes it so hard for the Dems. What was the difference? I would not be surprised if it was CRT, the Willie Horton of 2021. It's a lot harder for the Dems to scare people, whether it's because they're poorer at it or their potential voters are just not as jittery.
Yes it was CRT in part. Second, the exit polling in VA showed voters with a 42% approval rating of Trump and over 50% of Youngkin. This tells you that Trump is poison and the D's were not effective in tying Trump and Youngkin. But education "choice" become a topic and abortion was not.
Listen, I think the language of the educated left, the younger left, does not play well with parents. This is a quote from Youngkin's big education speech:
We all know education starts with curriculum. We will teach all history, the good and the bad. America has fabulous chapters and it’s the greatest country in the world, but we also have some abhorrent chapters in our history, we must teach them. We can’t know where we are going if we don’t know where we came from.
But let me be clear: what we won’t do is teach our children to view everything through the lens of race, where we divide them into buckets; one group’s an oppressor and another group is the victim; and we pitch them against each other … We know it’s not right. We know in our hearts it’s wrong. We are all created equal and we’re trying so hard to live up to those immortal words of Martin Luther King Jr., who implored us to be better than we are; to judge one another based on the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
Jemele Hill proclaimed on Twitter that the Youngkin win proves the country loves white supremacy. Is this quote and this perspective meet that bar? I don't think so. And this is not far off (if at all) from Obama's perspective. Is Youngkin overstating the oppressor/victim equation? Yes maybe a bit. But Hill did nothing by reinforce it.
This is a big part of why Terry lost. He lost our edge in teh suburbs. Trump repulsed people like me. Youngkin did not.
Great point. I forget where I saw it but the way the republicans have successfully branded CRT as sort of reverse racism it's given a lane for seemingly moderate republicans to make themselves actually sound like Obama. Lol....
Just another example of the liberal wing of the democratic party shooting themselves in their collective feet yet again.
For a party that just cut child poverty in half, doesn't it seem crazy that the dems didn't highlight that in the VA race? Anyone contending that's a federal issue should be countered that every state wide race is actually a federal one because states are changing election laws impacting federal elections.
10 months after a violent attempt to override a presidential election (and a coordinated cover-up by republicans) a solid lean blue state flips red based mostly on a make believe CRT? And Biden is at 38% approval after all the crap trump pulled? Yeah, America is screwed.
Yep. And I am continually amazed at how infrequent they harp on the abortion issue. Seeing what Texas and other states are doing, it's not just a supreme court national issue anymore either.
The Democrats have terrible messaging. The infrastructure fight went on so long that everyone forgot about it. Worse, they pass it AFTER election day. That's idiotic. You pass it two weeks before to campaign on it. Unfortunately the far left and the two senators had their heads up their collective asses.
It is strange... unemployment is low, jobs are high, pandemic is abetting quickly, stock market is at a record, GDP will be doulbe this year compared to last year, and yet only 30% of people have a positive outlook on the economy. I'm sorry, that is crazy. I know inflation is up right now but that is absolutely temporary and connected to the supply chain. All this tells me that we have a messaging issue.
There's also a contradiction in place. Can the economy be great and positive while the left pushes for transformational changes in our social structure? It creates a paradox. How do you run on a great economy while blasting it at the same time.
When it comes to kitchen table issues that get the voters in the booths, GDP and the stock market have nothing to do with the economy. Inflation, the cost of groceries, cost of gas and stagnating wages are what gets swing voters to the polls. All the messaging in the world about any of this being temporary won't hold water. Since when has anything the government said is temporary actually been? Im with Ledbetterman, Dems need to push for legalization, maybe show that their policies will help ease the current frustrations facing the "folks" out there. It isn't crazy to have a negative outlook on the economy especially for millennials and zoomers that are the first generations in a long while to actually have it worse off in terms of creating net worth etc than their parents.
Of course pushing for programs that might actually help is easier said than done, especially with one party and two senators that don't want to see any progress.
I don't fully agree with this. Economic optimism spans the lower to the upper class. McAuliffe lost VA by 2 points because VA wen from +19 D with independents in 2020 to -9. last week. And you can see these numbers play out specifically in the suburbs of NOVA which are middle to upper middle class. These are people with 401ks and know exactly what the macro conditions are. Sure gas and groceries are part of that equation, but it's more than that.
And I disagree that federal legalization swings independents back to Biden. I don't think it hurts them, but it's not an issue that puts D's on the offense.
That's what makes it so hard for the Dems. What was the difference? I would not be surprised if it was CRT, the Willie Horton of 2021. It's a lot harder for the Dems to scare people, whether it's because they're poorer at it or their potential voters are just not as jittery.
Yes it was CRT in part. Second, the exit polling in VA showed voters with a 42% approval rating of Trump and over 50% of Youngkin. This tells you that Trump is poison and the D's were not effective in tying Trump and Youngkin. But education "choice" become a topic and abortion was not.
Listen, I think the language of the educated left, the younger left, does not play well with parents. This is a quote from Youngkin's big education speech:
We all know education starts with curriculum. We will teach all history, the good and the bad. America has fabulous chapters and it’s the greatest country in the world, but we also have some abhorrent chapters in our history, we must teach them. We can’t know where we are going if we don’t know where we came from.
But let me be clear: what we won’t do is teach our children to view everything through the lens of race, where we divide them into buckets; one group’s an oppressor and another group is the victim; and we pitch them against each other … We know it’s not right. We know in our hearts it’s wrong. We are all created equal and we’re trying so hard to live up to those immortal words of Martin Luther King Jr., who implored us to be better than we are; to judge one another based on the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
Jemele Hill proclaimed on Twitter that the Youngkin win proves the country loves white supremacy. Is this quote and this perspective meet that bar? I don't think so. And this is not far off (if at all) from Obama's perspective. Is Youngkin overstating the oppressor/victim equation? Yes maybe a bit. But Hill did nothing by reinforce it.
This is a big part of why Terry lost. He lost our edge in teh suburbs. Trump repulsed people like me. Youngkin did not.
Great point. I forget where I saw it but the way the republicans have successfully branded CRT as sort of reverse racism it's given a lane for seemingly moderate republicans to make themselves actually sound like Obama. Lol....
Just another example of the liberal wing of the democratic party shooting themselves in their collective feet yet again.
For a party that just cut child poverty in half, doesn't it seem crazy that the dems didn't highlight that in the VA race? Anyone contending that's a federal issue should be countered that every state wide race is actually a federal one because states are changing election laws impacting federal elections.
10 months after a violent attempt to override a presidential election (and a coordinated cover-up by republicans) a solid lean blue state flips red based mostly on a make believe CRT? And Biden is at 38% approval after all the crap trump pulled? Yeah, America is screwed.
Yep. And I am continually amazed at how infrequent they harp on the abortion issue. Seeing what Texas and other states are doing, it's not just a supreme court national issue anymore either.
I literally saw one commercial about 'choice'. Considering what was happening in TX at the same, that's political malpractice.
One thing to keep in mind is that Youngkin is a multi millionaire and he was blanketing the airwaves for months with is own money, way ahead of the D's. So much of the opinions were locked in well before the DNC started running ads to support McAuliffe.
The Democrats have terrible messaging. The infrastructure fight went on so long that everyone forgot about it. Worse, they pass it AFTER election day. That's idiotic. You pass it two weeks before to campaign on it. Unfortunately the far left and the two senators had their heads up their collective asses.
It is strange... unemployment is low, jobs are high, pandemic is abetting quickly, stock market is at a record, GDP will be doulbe this year compared to last year, and yet only 30% of people have a positive outlook on the economy. I'm sorry, that is crazy. I know inflation is up right now but that is absolutely temporary and connected to the supply chain. All this tells me that we have a messaging issue.
There's also a contradiction in place. Can the economy be great and positive while the left pushes for transformational changes in our social structure? It creates a paradox. How do you run on a great economy while blasting it at the same time.
News has been replaced by political cartoons and memes to generate public opinion on a subject or person. Whoever can produce the snarkiest or attention grabbing "gotcha" moments ends up winning the day and the minds of the public. Until that changes, nothing else will change.
Yes, true. I was also thinking that there's this embedded negativity in our culture, regardless of who is in power. "Throw the bums out" seems to be the prevailing opinion even though our standard of living as a society just continues to improve. As I do for everything, I blame social media.
It's unreal. My older daughter shared a link in our family text group to a CNN article about the Travis Scott concert. She said that someone was injecting people in the crowd, etc. The link made no reference whatsoever to injections...it discussed the crowd surge and people getting trampled.
TikTok is the new FB for fake garbage among young people.
The Democrats have terrible messaging. The infrastructure fight went on so long that everyone forgot about it. Worse, they pass it AFTER election day. That's idiotic. You pass it two weeks before to campaign on it. Unfortunately the far left and the two senators had their heads up their collective asses.
It is strange... unemployment is low, jobs are high, pandemic is abetting quickly, stock market is at a record, GDP will be doulbe this year compared to last year, and yet only 30% of people have a positive outlook on the economy. I'm sorry, that is crazy. I know inflation is up right now but that is absolutely temporary and connected to the supply chain. All this tells me that we have a messaging issue.
There's also a contradiction in place. Can the economy be great and positive while the left pushes for transformational changes in our social structure? It creates a paradox. How do you run on a great economy while blasting it at the same time.
News has been replaced by political cartoons and memes to generate public opinion on a subject or person. Whoever can produce the snarkiest or attention grabbing "gotcha" moments ends up winning the day and the minds of the public. Until that changes, nothing else will change.
Yes, true. I was also thinking that there's this embedded negativity in our culture, regardless of who is in power. "Throw the bums out" seems to be the prevailing opinion even though our standard of living as a society just continues to improve. As I do for everything, I blame social media.
It's unreal. My older daughter shared a link in our family text group to a CNN article about the Travis Scott concert. She said that someone was injecting people in the crowd, etc. The link made no reference whatsoever to injections...it discussed the crowd surge and people getting trampled.
TikTok is the new FB for fake garbage among young people.
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For a party that just cut child poverty in half, doesn't it seem crazy that the dems didn't highlight that in the VA race? Anyone contending that's a federal issue should be countered that every state wide race is actually a federal one because states are changing election laws impacting federal elections.
10 months after a violent attempt to override a presidential election (and a coordinated cover-up by republicans) a solid lean blue state flips red based mostly on a make believe CRT? And Biden is at 38% approval after all the crap trump pulled? Yeah, America is screwed.
One thing to keep in mind is that Youngkin is a multi millionaire and he was blanketing the airwaves for months with is own money, way ahead of the D's. So much of the opinions were locked in well before the DNC started running ads to support McAuliffe.
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And yes I understand that the guard said he felt a prick on his neck. The people that died were clearly trampled.
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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