#46 President Joe Biden

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,767
    edited December 2024
    Gern Blansten said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What's to say really? Was Biden lying when he said he wouldn't pardon him? We don't know his intent at the time. Circumstances have clearly changed.

    The real travesty would have been a pardon once the special counsel was named. Obviously that would have been political suicide but now that he is leaving office forever why not?

    Dems don't need to explain anything. Just say "yeah I don't agree with that" and move on.
    The FBI Director nominee has spent the last four years saying he would target Biden and his family for bullshit reasons that were already adjudicated. 

    People can complain about the pardon all they want, but they need to actually read about this absolute clown who is going to be the highest law enforcement officer in the country.....then and only then will they agree that Biden made the right choice (albeit, as usual, it was not communicated nearly as well as it should have been).
    It really is weird how the "legacy" media focuses on that. Liberal media my ass.

    And yeah...they will find something to go after Biden on. They will likely open investigations into Joe himself now.
    You're not wrong, but it's fair to point out they've been investigating the Bidens for years now & the only real dirt they've come up with on Joe is that he's not in touch w/ the grandchild his dirtbag son had out of wedlock. 
    But have they drug Joe in front of a congressional hearing? That's what I'm picturing. They will just manufacture something to keep the controversy in the news while trump is playing golf and saying racist shit.
    This has been the GOP's playbook at least as far back as Benghazi. 

    I agree that this was stupid of Biden in that it gives the right ammunition, but democrats are damned if they do, damned if they don't in recent years... the RW media apparatus is going to win regardless. 
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  • pjl44
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
  • mace1229
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    Gern Blansten said:
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

    Is this the new playbook?

    We are turning into a banana republic.
    What did he do to make money that was illegal?
    Generally speaking, this would be the playbook going forward.  That was what I'm getting at. Do whatever you can to make money then your buddy the President will pardon you and you get away with things.
    Presidential pardons of friends and allies isn’t new. And if your plan is to commit a crime in hopes that a decade later your dad is president, well that’s pretty risky. 
    I actually think none would have been caught if their relatives never became president.

    Again, thinking out loud.
    I don't know. I keep seeing people (especially here) say that. But if you don't pay $1.4 million in taxes, the IRS is going to find out and come after you. And I keep seeing the defense of "he was paying it back." Well, yeah, after he got caught. And then he stopped short too.

    According to the indictment, Hunter Biden engaged in a four-year scheme in which he chose not to pay at least $1.4 million in self-assessed federal taxes he owed for tax years 2016 through 2019 and to evade the assessment of taxes for tax year 2018 when he filed false returns.  As alleged in the indictment, to further this scheme, Hunter Biden:

    • subverted the payroll and tax withholding process of his own company by withdrawing millions outside of the payroll and tax withholding process;
    • spent millions of dollars on an extravagant lifestyle rather than paying his tax bills;
    • in 2018, stopped paying his outstanding and overdue taxes for tax year 2015;
    • willfully failed to pay his 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 taxes on time, despite having access to funds to pay some or all of these taxes;
    • willfully failed to file his 2017 and 2018 tax returns, on time; and
    • when he did finally file his 2018 returns, included false business deductions in order to reduce the very substantial tax liability he faced as of February 2020.
    https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-convicted-three-felony-tax-offenses-and-six-misdemeanor-tax-offenses

    How is any of that just being political? People have gone to prison for less. I made this comparison before, Richard from Season 1 survivor spent 4 years in prison for not reporting his $1 million Survivor winnings. As far as I know, he's not Biden's son.
    I believe his argument was that he had to income. His company was NOT paying him a salary. They were advancing money to him that the company considered a loan which is not reportable on your income taxes.

    The IRS stepped in and basically said that the "loans" were disguised compensation and made the company report it as such. Fraud? Probably not. Horribly bad advice? Absolutely. I imagine his tax preparer got in trouble for that shit.

    But given that Trey Gowdy and Lindsay (flip flop floozy) Graham have agreed that if it weren't Hunter Biden then no charges would have been filed I think we can agree that it was bogus to file criminal charges for that. The special counsel couldn't find anything else except for the gun charge.
    I'v heard that business loan part before. I don't believe he didn't know what he was doing, but haven't looked into it because it doesn't seem to matter. He still did everything else on the list. He still didn't file multiple years of taxes. He still stopped paying owed back taxes despite making millions. He still willfully failed to pay taxes for multiple years. You can't blame all that on a poorly written loan.
    Now I don't think Hunter deserves serious prison time. But I don't don't see the argument where they only went after him because he's a Biden. Tell that to Willy Nelson and Wesley Snipes. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    tbergs said:
    Jon Stewart hammered on dems last night for speaking out of both sides of their mouth after the Hunter pardon. I think Biden really fucked a lot of people by doing this and now they're all stuck in spin mode trying not to be the soundbyte used on conservative sites/shows.

    https://youtu.be/V5BcIHPMAHw?si=JWGxMj6EPoU1aRdo

    Seeing TDS in the lower right corner is cracking me up.  I know it's supposed to be for The Daily Show but all I can think about is Trump Derangement Syndrome.
  • tbergs
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    tbergs said:
    Jon Stewart hammered on dems last night for speaking out of both sides of their mouth after the Hunter pardon. I think Biden really fucked a lot of people by doing this and now they're all stuck in spin mode trying not to be the soundbyte used on conservative sites/shows.

    https://youtu.be/V5BcIHPMAHw?si=JWGxMj6EPoU1aRdo

    Seeing TDS in the lower right corner is cracking me up.  I know it's supposed to be for The Daily Show but all I can think about is Trump Derangement Syndrome.
    It is odd because I've thought that same thing several times when watching. I also hate that term and think it minimizes the damage he has truly wreaked on this country the last 10 years.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cincybearcat
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    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  
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  • tbergs
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    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  
    Personally, I can handle more than one issue a day getting split time. I don't think either bears being ignored or set aside for the other. If it comes down to which story gets the lead, it's always going to be a president pardoning his son. What form of media wouldn't make that the lead story? It would be odd if it wasn't the headline because then it would seem that news source is trying to downplay it by purposely burying it, which is what people accuse Fox News of doing all the time.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Go Beavers
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    pjl44 said:
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


  • Go Beavers
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    tbergs said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    tbergs said:
    Jon Stewart hammered on dems last night for speaking out of both sides of their mouth after the Hunter pardon. I think Biden really fucked a lot of people by doing this and now they're all stuck in spin mode trying not to be the soundbyte used on conservative sites/shows.

    https://youtu.be/V5BcIHPMAHw?si=JWGxMj6EPoU1aRdo

    Seeing TDS in the lower right corner is cracking me up.  I know it's supposed to be for The Daily Show but all I can think about is Trump Derangement Syndrome.
    It is odd because I've thought that same thing several times when watching. I also hate that term and think it minimizes the damage he has truly wreaked on this country the last 10 years.
    It’s a good self own because the derangement is with Trump voters. 
  • cincybearcat
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    tbergs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  
    Personally, I can handle more than one issue a day getting split time. I don't think either bears being ignored or set aside for the other. If it comes down to which story gets the lead, it's always going to be a president pardoning his son. What form of media wouldn't make that the lead story? It would be odd if it wasn't the headline because then it would seem that news source is trying to downplay it by purposely burying it, which is what people accuse Fox News of doing all the time.
    Exactly
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  • pjl44
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,523
    tbergs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  
    Personally, I can handle more than one issue a day getting split time. I don't think either bears being ignored or set aside for the other. If it comes down to which story gets the lead, it's always going to be a president pardoning his son. What form of media wouldn't make that the lead story? It would be odd if it wasn't the headline because then it would seem that news source is trying to downplay it by purposely burying it, which is what people accuse Fox News of doing all the time.
    100%. "Why isn't everyone laser focused on one thing like me?"
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    pjl44 said:
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    JFC
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  • pjl44
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    JFC
    Pattern of behavior with some posters where they're replying to arguments in their head vs what someone wrote
  • brianlux
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    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
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  • cincybearcat
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    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
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  • Go Beavers
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    pjl44 said:
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    I like the passive aggressive sass. Maybe I lost you. You referenced Hunter committing crimes, then posted a link referencing the Biden family’s involvement. So I asked who all that was, you referred back to the link, so then I wondered if you include Joe in that (the crimes) as well, so I asked about impeachment. You naturally replied that you don’t know because suddenly on that topic you have no opinion. Seems like I was following just fine. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    tempo_n_groove said:
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    So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

    Is this the new playbook?

    We are turning into a banana republic.
    What did he do to make money that was illegal?
    Generally speaking, this would be the playbook going forward.  That was what I'm getting at. Do whatever you can to make money then your buddy the President will pardon you and you get away with things.
    Presidential pardons of friends and allies isn’t new. And if your plan is to commit a crime in hopes that a decade later your dad is president, well that’s pretty risky. 
    I actually think none would have been caught if their relatives never became president.

    Again, thinking out loud.
    For sure. In the case of Hunter, these aren’t particularly rare or heinous crimes. 
  • mrussel1
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    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    I lime the passive aggressive sass. Maybe I lost you. You referenced Hunter committing crimes, then posted a link referencing the Biden family’s involvement. So I asked who all that was, you referred back to the link, so then I wondered if you include Joe in that (the crimes) as well, so I asked about impeachment. You naturally replied that you don’t know because suddenly on that topic you have no opinion. Seems like I was following just fine. 
    Completely on-brand here. 

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