#46 President Joe Biden

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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,310
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tbergs said:
    Lol this is great. I think Jon is past his prime on some things but absolutely hits the nail on the head here. Really wish there was a new version of this show resonating these days:

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1924792672805433459?t=7ETbKcsZVX8UYDvpo8SIMQ&s=19
    I think he's still great and he was on fire on last night's episode. He skewers anyone who needs it and deserves it.
    To each their own re: what we like - and this probably needs its own thread without driving this one into a ditch - but this is what I mean at least in regards to a newer version:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-daily-show-audience-is-now-small-old-ratings-2024-1


    This is paywall but the published date is January 2024, before he came back. How have the ratings done since he was back?
    Best performance in 10 years and I'll say even when Stewart isn't hosting, they have their best rotating anchor staff in years. I liked Trevor Noah, but the return of Stewart, even once a week, and the changing of the lead anchor every week is refreshing. Kosta, Desi and Ronnie have been great at the desk. I prefer Klepper's specials and correspondent roles better.

    https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/comedy-central/shows/the-daily-show/releases/?view=111307-the-daily-show-scores-its-biggest-quarterly-share-in-ten-years-and-lands-1-spot-among-monday-late-night-viewers
    I still say - I think Jon Stewart would make an amazing DNC candidate, and likely a pretty good POTUS. 
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,413
    OnWis97 said:
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    And what do you think the goal is from the right on the issue? 
    It's obviously to smear a party that's already self-smearing; that said, his cognitive decline was hidden. It's pretty awful. Maybe worse than watergate. And I would have voted for him if the Dems had played Weekend at Bernie's with his corpse because of what was on the other side. But it was still despicable, not to mention outrageously poor strategy.

    The GOP should hit this HARD in 2026. The Democratic Party is terrible. Sure, they're worse, but it's not their fault their devotees love it, and swing voters are susceptible to their message.
    And does driving the point have the potential to backfire? Scold the press about not covering Biden’s cognitive decline while the current president yammers on about drones knocking down trees and all the prisons in Congo being empty. I know there’s no self-reflection in the party, but it may not go hiw they want it to. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,621
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,720
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    You must have missed the debate....it was the nail in the coffin and it was what anyone around him had to be seeing on a regular basis.  


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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,898
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.  
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 9,036
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.  
    I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that. 
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
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    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,621
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    You must have missed the debate....it was the nail in the coffin and it was what anyone around him had to be seeing on a regular basis.  


    I saw it...it was bad in parts. Not bad in other parts. But again....he's an old man acting like an old man. 
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    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,484
    OnWis97 said:
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    And what do you think the goal is from the right on the issue? 
    It's obviously to smear a party that's already self-smearing; that said, his cognitive decline was hidden. It's pretty awful. Maybe worse than watergate. And I would have voted for him if the Dems had played Weekend at Bernie's with his corpse because of what was on the other side. But it was still despicable, not to mention outrageously poor strategy.

    The GOP should hit this HARD in 2026. The Democratic Party is terrible. Sure, they're worse, but it's not their fault their devotees love it, and swing voters are susceptible to their message.
    And does driving the point have the potential to backfire? Scold the press about not covering Biden’s cognitive decline while the current president yammers on about drones knocking down trees and all the prisons in Congo being empty. I know there’s no self-reflection in the party, but it may not go hiw they want it to. 
    No. There's a double-standard for Trump.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,160
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.  
    I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that. 

    Nick, some time ago you suggested my participation on AMT seemed unhealthy for me (I forget the exact words).  Your telling me that was one of the factors that has led me to backing off from AMT quite it bit, and being immersed in soul scarring news so often.  Not that it isn't important to stay informed, or care, or even try to make a difference, but unless one has that stamina of a Heather Cox Richardson, or the ability to compartmentalize like my wife does (she can rail against tyrants one minute, and be in a very calm and centered space the next), it's just not healthy to let current events destroy your peace of mind and physical well-being.  I'm as unhappy as ever about this current administration, but by not being as obsessed with and over-indulging in current events as I was for a long time, I'm a healthier, and probably more likeable, person than I was for far too long.
    Thank you!
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    You must have missed the debate....it was the nail in the coffin and it was what anyone around him had to be seeing on a regular basis.  


    I saw it...it was bad in parts. Not bad in other parts. But again....he's an old man acting like an old man. 
    Thirty-five Congressional Democrats wanted President Biden to step aside as the result of the debate because he acted like an old man?


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    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,621
    DE4173 said:
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    You must have missed the debate....it was the nail in the coffin and it was what anyone around him had to be seeing on a regular basis.  


    I saw it...it was bad in parts. Not bad in other parts. But again....he's an old man acting like an old man. 
    Thirty-five Congressional Democrats wanted President Biden to step aside as the result of the debate because he acted like an old man?


    We didn't need an old man so....yeah
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 9,036
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.  
    I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that. 

    Nick, some time ago you suggested my participation on AMT seemed unhealthy for me (I forget the exact words).  Your telling me that was one of the factors that has led me to backing off from AMT quite it bit, and being immersed in soul scarring news so often.  Not that it isn't important to stay informed, or care, or even try to make a difference, but unless one has that stamina of a Heather Cox Richardson, or the ability to compartmentalize like my wife does (she can rail against tyrants one minute, and be in a very calm and centered space the next), it's just not healthy to let current events destroy your peace of mind and physical well-being.  I'm as unhappy as ever about this current administration, but by not being as obsessed with and over-indulging in current events as I was for a long time, I'm a healthier, and probably more likeable, person than I was for far too long.
    Thank you!
    🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,314
    edited 6:40PM
    DE4173 said:
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    You must have missed the debate....it was the nail in the coffin and it was what anyone around him had to be seeing on a regular basis.  


    I saw it...it was bad in parts. Not bad in other parts. But again....he's an old man acting like an old man. 
    Thirty-five Congressional Democrats wanted President Biden to step aside as the result of the debate because he acted like an old man?


    We didn't need an old man so....yeah
    It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate wasn't an old man. 
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
    edited 6:41PM
    Because it wasn't about President Biden's age.
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,585
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.  
    I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that. 

    Nick, some time ago you suggested my participation on AMT seemed unhealthy for me (I forget the exact words).  Your telling me that was one of the factors that has led me to backing off from AMT quite it bit, and being immersed in soul scarring news so often.  Not that it isn't important to stay informed, or care, or even try to make a difference, but unless one has that stamina of a Heather Cox Richardson, or the ability to compartmentalize like my wife does (she can rail against tyrants one minute, and be in a very calm and centered space the next), it's just not healthy to let current events destroy your peace of mind and physical well-being.  I'm as unhappy as ever about this current administration, but by not being as obsessed with and over-indulging in current events as I was for a long time, I'm a healthier, and probably more likeable, person than I was for far too long.
    Thank you!
    Nick also created peace in my life by suggesting I find a picture of a shirtless Ben Affleck to use as an avatar. It changed my life.   Never been so fulfilled in every possible way.  Thank you Nick. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,585
    DE4173 said:
    Because it wasn't about President Biden's age.
    Because we just accepted Trump's actual damaging insanity. Great call America. 
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
    Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,074
    Not interested in this at all at this point.
    Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
    I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.

    My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.


    no lemming here. Agree. He still speaks with more conviction and knowledge than Trump ever has. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,074
    DE4173 said:
    Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
    that's politics, not truth. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,631
    benjs said:
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    tbergs said:
    Lol this is great. I think Jon is past his prime on some things but absolutely hits the nail on the head here. Really wish there was a new version of this show resonating these days:

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1924792672805433459?t=7ETbKcsZVX8UYDvpo8SIMQ&s=19
    I think he's still great and he was on fire on last night's episode. He skewers anyone who needs it and deserves it.
    To each their own re: what we like - and this probably needs its own thread without driving this one into a ditch - but this is what I mean at least in regards to a newer version:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-daily-show-audience-is-now-small-old-ratings-2024-1


    This is paywall but the published date is January 2024, before he came back. How have the ratings done since he was back?
    Best performance in 10 years and I'll say even when Stewart isn't hosting, they have their best rotating anchor staff in years. I liked Trevor Noah, but the return of Stewart, even once a week, and the changing of the lead anchor every week is refreshing. Kosta, Desi and Ronnie have been great at the desk. I prefer Klepper's specials and correspondent roles better.

    https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/comedy-central/shows/the-daily-show/releases/?view=111307-the-daily-show-scores-its-biggest-quarterly-share-in-ten-years-and-lands-1-spot-among-monday-late-night-viewers
    I still say - I think Jon Stewart would make an amazing DNC candidate, and likely a pretty good POTUS. 
    We've seen how well it works when electing a TV personality as POTUS.
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
    Dems will discard Jon soon enough and throw him on the pile with Maher. 
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 9,036
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.  
    I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that. 

    Nick, some time ago you suggested my participation on AMT seemed unhealthy for me (I forget the exact words).  Your telling me that was one of the factors that has led me to backing off from AMT quite it bit, and being immersed in soul scarring news so often.  Not that it isn't important to stay informed, or care, or even try to make a difference, but unless one has that stamina of a Heather Cox Richardson, or the ability to compartmentalize like my wife does (she can rail against tyrants one minute, and be in a very calm and centered space the next), it's just not healthy to let current events destroy your peace of mind and physical well-being.  I'm as unhappy as ever about this current administration, but by not being as obsessed with and over-indulging in current events as I was for a long time, I'm a healthier, and probably more likeable, person than I was for far too long.
    Thank you!
    Nick also created peace in my life by suggesting I find a picture of a shirtless Ben Affleck to use as an avatar. It changed my life.   Never been so fulfilled in every possible way.  Thank you Nick. 
    My pleasure

    There’s NOTHING better than looking at your avatar while you’re going off on some serious political debate. I can’t tell you happy I am you kept it. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,074
    DE4173 said:
    Dems will discard Jon soon enough and throw him on the pile with Maher. 
    not even close. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
    I mean he was playing "both sides" not that long ago and people didn't take too kindly to that.
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,074
    Jon has always been a democrat/liberal and calls out hypocrisy like a normal person. He's not railing against "wokeness". Maher turned into a grumpy old man. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,401
    I can appreciate that. I seem to recall that when Jon returned, people were excited for him to call out team red and hold them accountable. He did call out Dems as well and some fans didn't care for the both-sidesing.
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,074
    Jon takes a very measured approach when criticizing dems, when he does it at all. And it's always done with a smirk on his face, not Maher's "get off my lawn!". 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




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