Can America recover from Donald Trump?

Wobbie
Wobbie Posts: 31,624
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He emboldened the racists, the white supremacists, the “patriot” militias. Will they crawl back to their holes? I’m afraid they will not.
If I had known then what I know now...

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    When Trump was elected, Henry Rollins said, "America has never been more transparent."  I took that as a good thing.  I still think it is. 

    And as well as seeing racism become more visible, so too has the black lives movement and the support of people standing up against all racism.  I see that as a positive move forward.

    Am I overly optimistic?  Ask me when the votes are all counted!
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,624
    Yeah, Brian, you’re overly optimistic. The trolls have been emboldened.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,126
    It’ll take a generation.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    If he wins tonight, no.  Four more years of the Party of Trump spreading like a cancer and it's over for America.
    If he loses?  Maybe.  But I don't see his people going away quietly, that's for sure.  I think the election of Obama sparked something fierce in a minority of people that we knew existed but was larger than we realized. 

    Either way, I've learned a lot over the last four years and ignorance was kinda bliss.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    May have to wait 4 more years...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,624
    Meltdown99 said:
    May have to wait 4 more years...

    to what? get rid of the racists, “patriots”, etc,?
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Wobbie said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    May have to wait 4 more years...

    to what? get rid of the racists, “patriots”, etc,?
    I meant if Trump wins.  You will never rid yourselves of racist, no country will...people suck...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    Wobbie said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    May have to wait 4 more years...

    to what? get rid of the racists, “patriots”, etc,?

    While I think a Trump loss might have been bloodier tonight, this Trump win is going to embolden the hell out of these people. They're now his defacto enforcers.
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  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,209
    No I don’t think we recover.  Even if Biden still pulls it out, the Trump support is large.  I had hoped this was going to be a repudiation of Trump and all he stands for.  It may end up being a reinforcement.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    bootleg said:
    No I don’t think we recover.  Even if Biden still pulls it out, the Trump support is large.  I had hoped this was going to be a repudiation of Trump and all he stands for.  It may end up being a reinforcement.

    My fantasy was for all the projection to be true (even though I didn't think they were) and to forever pin the GOP as "the Party of Trump." Well, the United States is "The Country of Trump."  That joyless man, working only for himself, rage-tweeting, whining, playing the victim...that's what America is. That's who we are.  And that's probably never going to change.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    static111 said:
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary

    Just makes me wish he'd have run four years ago.  VP of a popular president against an unknown loose cannon? But the party wanted to push Hillary. 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary

    Just makes me wish he'd have run four years ago.  VP of a popular president against an unknown loose cannon? But the party wanted to push Hillary. 
    Didn't Joe say he wasn't mentally available after losing Beau?
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary

    Just makes me wish he'd have run four years ago.  VP of a popular president against an unknown loose cannon? But the party wanted to push Hillary. 
    Didn't Joe say he wasn't mentally available after losing Beau?

    That kinda rings a bell. But I would not be surprised if, behind the scenes, the party told him to back off because it was Hillary's turn.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary

    Just makes me wish he'd have run four years ago.  VP of a popular president against an unknown loose cannon? But the party wanted to push Hillary. 
    Didn't Joe say he wasn't mentally available after losing Beau?

    That kinda rings a bell. But I would not be surprised if, behind the scenes, the party told him to back off because it was Hillary's turn.

    Probably some of both.  But that's all history. 
    The bigger picture is this country is an accelerating disaster.  Please keep your seats in an upright condition and fasten your seat belts.  Better yet, get a parachute. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,396
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary

    Just makes me wish he'd have run four years ago.  VP of a popular president against an unknown loose cannon? But the party wanted to push Hillary. 
    Didn't Joe say he wasn't mentally available after losing Beau?

    That kinda rings a bell. But I would not be surprised if, behind the scenes, the party told him to back off because it was Hillary's turn.

    Probably some of both.  But that's all history. 
    The bigger picture is this country is an accelerating disaster.  Please keep your seats in an upright condition and fasten your seat belts.  Better yet, get a parachute. 
    Bri, all we have to do is pay him some compliments and he will negotiate with Pelosi. As he is not running for a third term, assuming he even wins now, he may rather want to make grand deals with Dems to help the country by meeting us in the middle. By not running for a third term he doesn’t need his voters anymore. Plus he has already left them out in the cold many times this week.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    static111 said:
    one thing's for sure after watching MSNBC for a bit...Biden sure did win against Hillary

    Just makes me wish he'd have run four years ago.  VP of a popular president against an unknown loose cannon? But the party wanted to push Hillary. 
    Didn't Joe say he wasn't mentally available after losing Beau?

    That kinda rings a bell. But I would not be surprised if, behind the scenes, the party told him to back off because it was Hillary's turn.

    Probably some of both.  But that's all history. 
    The bigger picture is this country is an accelerating disaster.  Please keep your seats in an upright condition and fasten your seat belts.  Better yet, get a parachute. 
    Bri, all we have to do is pay him some compliments and he will negotiate with Pelosi. As he is not running for a third term, assuming he even wins now, he may rather want to make grand deals with Dems to help the country by meeting us in the middle. By not running for a third term he doesn’t need his voters anymore. Plus he has already left them out in the cold many times this week.

    Honestly, Lerxst I can't imagine a compromising Trump.  I just don't see it.  Look how he has stirred his followers to hatred, done everything he can to increase environmental degradation, tell lies, make threats, etc.  There is nothing there to trust.

    Besides, reading Cox's letter (see MIckeyrats "Letter..." thread) I'm still hoping to see Biden in the White House.  We'll see.

    Good luck to us all.  I'm going back up on Mt. Everest (via the MacGillivray Freeman film!). 

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    You think if he steals this election all it will take to make him a good boy is some compliments? @Lerxst1992 have you not been paying attention to this guy. He just came on TV and said he is gonna ask the Supreme Court to stop counting votes while he is ahead. You can’t play fair with that guy
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  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,855
    A friend asked me today if the United States could even truly be called ‘United’ anymore. Never in our lifetimes have we seen such division, not only being tolerated but actively encouraged by the man in power.
    Can the ‘Leader of the Free World’ really be the arrogant playground bully who relies on name-calling and belittling others in order to get his way?

    I really hope Biden can somehow pull this off. The bully will be unbearable if he wins again.
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,022
    edited November 2020
    From  a far all i can see everytime the orange one speaks is a narcissist. 
    He needs attention  like air. 
    I hope he loses and can have his air supply cut off. If everyone  unsubscribed from  his twitter would help . Its his direct voice to the world. Sad. Really sad.


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