I would never want to be accused of a crime in this country, never mind facing a jury of my peers who get their information from Facebook, memes, Twitter and are unable to critically think. Then upon conviction, have the focus be on punishment till the end of your life with no hope of rehabilitation or forgiveness. Granted, some crimes are reprehensible and unforgivable but the million plus who are incarcerated? All of those?
I would never want to be accused of a crime in this country, never mind facing a jury of my peers who get their information from Facebook, memes, Twitter and are unable to critically think. Then upon conviction, have the focus be on punishment till the end of your life with no hope of rehabilitation or forgiveness. Granted, some crimes are reprehensible and unforgivable but the million plus who are incarcerated? All of those?
Serving jury duty over 10 years ago made me come to this exact conclusion. Nobody wanted to be there and most of them would have said guilty or not guilty just to get out on a timely fashion. Just like that! No thought, no feelings, no critical thinking. Just me me me. It really scared the fuck out of me.
The Texas shooting is horrific, but something maybe worse flew almost completely under the radar this week. The extremist court ruled that evidence is not enough of a basis to force a state court to grant an appeal. The defendant received incompetent counsel. Too bad, can’t force the states to look at evidence to determine if the defendant deserves a retrial, and will likely be executed. Nice free country this is.
The six are basically giving the middle finger to us. They can do whatever they want, give the states extraordinary power, even to kill a person, just because they have six on the court.
“Under Justice Thomas’s majority opinion, federal courts may still conduct habeas proceedings when a criminal defendant alleges that they received inadequate assistance of counsel twice, but the federal court may not consider any evidence that wasn’t presented in earlier proceedings. As Thomas writes, “if a prisoner has ‘failed to develop the factual basis of a claim in State court proceedings,’ a federal court ‘shall not hold an evidentiary hearing on the claim’ unless the prisoner satisfies one of two narrow exceptions” that are not present in Jones’s case.
There is nothing more difficult than having a conviction overturned (or even considered) regardless of how obvious someone's innocence may be. If I get brought in for spitting on the street, I'm not saying a word without a lawyer.
I recommend Rectify by Lara Bazelon for anyone that wants to learn about 1) how easy it can be for people to be wrongfully convicted and 2) how difficult it is to right those wrongs. It's my absolute last straw for my former support of the death penalty and a big part of the reason that I've abandoned most of my former "tough on crime" philosophy.
If you mean Rectify that was on tv you’re right. Totally worth watching.
My advice also, ask for a lawyer as soon as you sit down. Don’t listen to one word they’ve got to say because it’s all bullshit.
I read the book I linked. I'm unaware of anything on TV.
From the book, my takeaway was that police/prosecters/etc. are so focused on getting someone and so focused on thinking they have the right person, that they get tunnel vision and it impact the way they proceed. Most of it is their humanness (as opposed to actual corruption and intentionally locking up an innocent person; though that happens to). One of several ways this happens is with confessions. Sleep/food-deprived people confess after like 18 hours because their brains are now mush and telling the cop what they want to hear will stop the current madness. Innocent people confess way more than you'd think.
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The Texas shooting is horrific, but something maybe worse flew almost completely under the radar this week. The extremist court ruled that evidence is not enough of a basis to force a state court to grant an appeal. The defendant received incompetent counsel. Too bad, can’t force the states to look at evidence to determine if the defendant deserves a retrial, and will likely be executed. Nice free country this is.
The six are basically giving the middle finger to us. They can do whatever they want, give the states extraordinary power, even to kill a person, just because they have six on the court.
“Under Justice Thomas’s majority opinion, federal courts may still conduct habeas proceedings when a criminal defendant alleges that they received inadequate assistance of counsel twice, but the federal court may not consider any evidence that wasn’t presented in earlier proceedings. As Thomas writes, “if a prisoner has ‘failed to develop the factual basis of a claim in State court proceedings,’ a federal court ‘shall not hold an evidentiary hearing on the claim’ unless the prisoner satisfies one of two narrow exceptions” that are not present in Jones’s case.
There is nothing more difficult than having a conviction overturned (or even considered) regardless of how obvious someone's innocence may be. If I get brought in for spitting on the street, I'm not saying a word without a lawyer.
I recommend Rectify by Lara Bazelon for anyone that wants to learn about 1) how easy it can be for people to be wrongfully convicted and 2) how difficult it is to right those wrongs. It's my absolute last straw for my former support of the death penalty and a big part of the reason that I've abandoned most of my former "tough on crime" philosophy.
If you mean Rectify that was on tv you’re right. Totally worth watching.
My advice also, ask for a lawyer as soon as you sit down. Don’t listen to one word they’ve got to say because it’s all bullshit.
I read the book I linked. I'm unaware of anything on TV.
From the book, my takeaway was that police/prosecters/etc. are so focused on getting someone and so focused on thinking they have the right person, that they get tunnel vision and it impact the way they proceed. Most of it is their humanness (as opposed to actual corruption and intentionally locking up an innocent person; though that happens to). One of several ways this happens is with confessions. Sleep/food-deprived people confess after like 18 hours because their brains are now mush and telling the cop what they want to hear will stop the current madness. Innocent people confess way more than you'd think.
You’re absolutely correct about everything above and it’ sounds like it’s the same Rectify
The Texas shooting is horrific, but something maybe worse flew almost completely under the radar this week. The extremist court ruled that evidence is not enough of a basis to force a state court to grant an appeal. The defendant received incompetent counsel. Too bad, can’t force the states to look at evidence to determine if the defendant deserves a retrial, and will likely be executed. Nice free country this is.
The six are basically giving the middle finger to us. They can do whatever they want, give the states extraordinary power, even to kill a person, just because they have six on the court.
“Under Justice Thomas’s majority opinion, federal courts may still conduct habeas proceedings when a criminal defendant alleges that they received inadequate assistance of counsel twice, but the federal court may not consider any evidence that wasn’t presented in earlier proceedings. As Thomas writes, “if a prisoner has ‘failed to develop the factual basis of a claim in State court proceedings,’ a federal court ‘shall not hold an evidentiary hearing on the claim’ unless the prisoner satisfies one of two narrow exceptions” that are not present in Jones’s case.
There is nothing more difficult than having a conviction overturned (or even considered) regardless of how obvious someone's innocence may be. If I get brought in for spitting on the street, I'm not saying a word without a lawyer.
I recommend Rectify by Lara Bazelon for anyone that wants to learn about 1) how easy it can be for people to be wrongfully convicted and 2) how difficult it is to right those wrongs. It's my absolute last straw for my former support of the death penalty and a big part of the reason that I've abandoned most of my former "tough on crime" philosophy.
If you mean Rectify that was on tv you’re right. Totally worth watching.
My advice also, ask for a lawyer as soon as you sit down. Don’t listen to one word they’ve got to say because it’s all bullshit.
I read the book I linked. I'm unaware of anything on TV.
From the book, my takeaway was that police/prosecters/etc. are so focused on getting someone and so focused on thinking they have the right person, that they get tunnel vision and it impact the way they proceed. Most of it is their humanness (as opposed to actual corruption and intentionally locking up an innocent person; though that happens to). One of several ways this happens is with confessions. Sleep/food-deprived people confess after like 18 hours because their brains are now mush and telling the cop what they want to hear will stop the current madness. Innocent people confess way more than you'd think.
You’re absolutely correct about everything above and it’ sounds like it’s the same Rectify
Another good watch is The Night Of.
Agreed on The Night Of. Peter Moffat just did another miniseries called 61st Street, very well done.
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the further eroson of the separation of church and state.
This one doesn't bother me as much...the argument being that if you can use a voucher for a non-religious private school you should also be able to use a voucher for a religious school.
The problem was allowing vouchers to begin with.
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the further eroson of the separation of church and state.
This one doesn't bother me as much...the argument being that if you can use a voucher for a non-religious private school you should also be able to use a voucher for a religious school.
The problem was allowing vouchers to begin with.
I do agree with that, but it just seems these back doors are being used to further the re-indoctrination of youth on public funds.
I haven’t read the rulings, but to me a school is a school. I get one school may have a religious focus in some aspects (so science may be different), but on the whole I would guess the private religious schools provide a great education overall in line with non-religious based schools.
To me this is not about separation of church and state but really is more of a question of why one school can get funding and another cannot. If a good school happens to be part of the catholic diocese, and can’t get vouchers like an equally good private school next door, then there is a question of whether there is religious freedom. You are punishing religion in this case.
I hate rulings on party lines like this. It makes me think that (on both sides) the law is not being evaluated but personal opinions and activism is involved.
I haven’t read the rulings, but to me a school is a school. I get one school may have a religious focus in some aspects (so science may be different), but on the whole I would guess the private religious schools provide a great education overall in line with non-religious based schools.
To me this is not about separation of church and state but really is more of a question of why one school can get funding and another cannot. If a good school happens to be part of the catholic diocese, and can’t get vouchers like an equally good private school next door, then there is a question of whether there is religious freedom. You are punishing religion in this case.
I hate rulings on party lines like this. It makes me think that (on both sides) the law is not being evaluated but personal opinions and activism is involved.
Well the argument is straightforward.. the gov't should not be providing tax payer dollars for religious education. This case shows a tension between two bedrock principles: right to free exercise and the separation of church and state. The court's conservative justices favor one provision over the other. The liberal justices did the opposite.
Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.
Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO
Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.
The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
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Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.
Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO
Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.
The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
I can understand the good thought behind it...allow parents to send their kids to a different school if their public school is shit and not have to foot the entire bill....but of course, it seems the bad outweighs the good on this one.
Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.
Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO
Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.
The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
No, the issue with Maine is that there are some rural districts without public education. So they created a program to provide funding for private schools that were available, but excluded religious schools. So it was not a simple question.
The SCOTUS has become everything it was meant to combat. It is completely broken. The entire thing should be torn down, the justices dismissed, and the entire process of establishing it needs to be rewritten from scratch so that the SCOTUS is non-partisan, and the justices can actually make decisions they way they are sworn to. If that isn't done, the SCOTUS is just a contributor to America's scary decline.
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Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.
Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO
Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.
The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
No, the issue with Maine is that there are some rural districts without public education. So they created a program to provide funding for private schools that were available, but excluded religious schools. So it was not a simple question.
My comment was related more to vouchers overall rather than Maine...I should have pointed that out. The Maine argument makes sense if public schools weren't available.
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Seems like the wrong path was to ever offer vouchers for private school. Screw that. Provide public school. If parents want different, pay for it.
Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO
Totally agree. This whole voucher bullshit was meant to weaken public schools. I'm sure it was thought up by some rich douchebag that couldn't stand the fact that his real estate taxes were high because of school funding which cut into their tuition payments for private school.
The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
No, the issue with Maine is that there are some rural districts without public education. So they created a program to provide funding for private schools that were available, but excluded religious schools. So it was not a simple question.
My comment was related more to vouchers overall rather than Maine...I should have pointed that out. The Maine argument makes sense if public schools weren't available.
Yes I agree that vouchers are an issue. I don't like taking money from public education.
The SCOTUS has become everything it was meant to combat. It is completely broken. The entire thing should be torn down, the justices dismissed, and the entire process of establishing it needs to be rewritten from scratch so that the SCOTUS is non-partisan, and the justices can actually make decisions they way they are sworn to. If that isn't done, the SCOTUS is just a contributor to America's scary decline.
I don't see anything from this decision that would show what you are saying.
The SCOTUS has become everything it was meant to combat. It is completely broken. The entire thing should be torn down, the justices dismissed, and the entire process of establishing it needs to be rewritten from scratch so that the SCOTUS is non-partisan, and the justices can actually make decisions they way they are sworn to. If that isn't done, the SCOTUS is just a contributor to America's scary decline.
I don't see anything from this decision that would show what you are saying.
I wasn't even thinking about the decision you guys have been discussing - you mean the schools in Maine thing, right? I haven't really put any thought into that - haven't had time to read the details about it.
My comment was a general one for the SCOTUS thread.
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IMO, each presidential term should come with a Supreme Court nomination with some sort of safeguard that congress cannot simply block every attempt and they need to agree on something. Its appalling that a 1-term president who lost the popular vote was able to select 40% of the court and shape our laws long-term.
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From the book, my takeaway was that police/prosecters/etc. are so focused on getting someone and so focused on thinking they have the right person, that they get tunnel vision and it impact the way they proceed. Most of it is their humanness (as opposed to actual corruption and intentionally locking up an innocent person; though that happens to). One of several ways this happens is with confessions. Sleep/food-deprived people confess after like 18 hours because their brains are now mush and telling the cop what they want to hear will stop the current madness. Innocent people confess way more than you'd think.
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the further eroson of the separation of church and state.
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The problem was allowing vouchers to begin with.
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I hate rulings on party lines like this. It makes me think that (on both sides) the law is not being evaluated but personal opinions and activism is involved.
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Tax payers $ leaving the public school system for a for private school is not good IMO
The whole idea creates increased costs for public schools by increasing the per student cost of infrastructure and other costs.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
if this was the husband of RBG the right would have their hair on fire over it.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
subpoena comes if they dont sit voluntarily. She claims she is willing..... its being worked out. See the Jan 6 Committee thread....
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."