2020 Presidential Debates aka night 1 "The Cleveland Steamer"

The Juggler

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Biden should just speak into the camera to the viewer going forward, like a townhall, and not debate.

Instead of "you haven't done anything about A, B, C" he should talk to the audience "He hasn't done anything about A, B, C"

This should be proof that trying to debate is of no point.

And still, why is interrupting allowed like this. Everything is a fucking joke.

It's not allowed, per the rules. They need to cut of their mic's when it's not their turn to talk next time. 

dankind

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Kat

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/SheriffReese/status/1311125507757416449?s=19

Trump claims in debate ‘Portland Sheriff’ gave him endorsement; Reese quickly responds: I ‘will never support him’

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/09/trump-claims-in-debate-portland-sheriff-gave-him-endorsement-reese-quickly-responds-i-will-never-support-him.html

Spiritual_Chaos

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Biden should just speak into the camera to the viewer going forward, like a townhall, and not debate.

Instead of "you haven't done anything about A, B, C" he should talk to the audience "He hasn't done anything about A, B, C"

This should be proof that trying to debate is of no point.

And still, why is interrupting allowed like this. Everything is a fucking joke.

It's not allowed, per the rules. They need to cut of their mic's when it's not their turn to talk next time. 

It was going on for the whole debate (I imagine, I turned off after 15 minutes). I'd say that pretty much makes any idea of a rule void.

F Me In The Brain

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Bravo, sir.

Bentleyspop

Ledbetterman10 said:

A real president waits his turn to speak, even when he disagrees with his opponent. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W--iR1sTIXM

A mature adult waits their turn

This was another glaring example that the so-called president is an immature petulant spoiled child

mrussel1

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Gern Blansten

MayDay10 said:

It was awful.  Trump provides zero substance or policy.  It's all a big scam.  You could tell he didnt prepare at all outside of his big "points" such as the stupid thing about Biden's son.  Trump's face was turning purple and more bloated as the thing went on.  I was concerned he was going to drop dead.

Overall it's just embarassing.  It gave me anxiety to watch.  

My biggest takeaway was the general promise not to accept the election, as well as the call to "stand by" to a right wing group who is heavily armed and violent, along with "poll watchers"

Yeah you could tell that the Hunter Biden stuff was his most rehearsed and it fell flat as hell.  

cincybearcat

I had higher hopes for Joe to be quicker on his feet and shows some wit.  Unfortunately that didn't occur.  I felt like he had numerous opportunities to grab the moment that he just let pass by.  His one big "win" of the night was talking to the American people, talking about 7 million Covid cases and 200,000+ deaths.  Talking about 40,000+ cases more each day and 750-1000 deaths each day.  And trumps response "It is what it is".

Biden's line "It is what it is because you are who you are" was powerful, accurate  and amazing.  Hopefully people listened and let it sink in.

Biden's second moment came near the end in regards to his sons.  I still think he missed the moment in full, but he showed honesty, compassion, and just being a human being.

There were no winners from last nights debate because we didn't have a debate.  In understand how hard it is to be on stage with an interrupting liar like Trump...and still wished Biden would have been able to own the stage.  But he couldn't.  He certainly didn't hurt himself though, so there is that.  I'm not sure I can watch anymore....and I'm not sure I can turn away.

dankind

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Yes, I addressed that Poncier was likely not being clinical. People misuse behavioral/mental health phrases such as senile, manic, addict(ed), antisocial, schizo, depressed, etc. every second.  Pretty sure I've been called all of those. 

I'm fairly certain that I don't need to explain this to anyone, but here we are.

mrussel1

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Yes, I addressed that Poncier was likely not being clinical. People misuse behavioral/mental health phrases such as senile, manic, addict(ed), antisocial, schizo, depressed, etc. every second.  Pretty sure I've been called all of those. 

I'm fairly certain that I don't need to explain this to anyone, but here we are.

So anyone over a certain age is senile?  I don't understand throwing around insults and then saying "that's not what I really mean".  When I say Trump is a lunatic, I mean it. 

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

I had higher hopes for Joe to be quicker on his feet and shows some wit.  Unfortunately that didn't occur.  I felt like he had numerous opportunities to grab the moment that he just let pass by.  His one big "win" of the night was talking to the American people, talking about 7 million Covid cases and 200,000+ deaths.  Talking about 40,000+ cases more each day and 750-1000 deaths each day.  And trumps response "It is what it is".

Biden's line "It is what it is because you are who you are" was powerful, accurate  and amazing.  Hopefully people listened and let it sink in.

Biden's second moment came near the end in regards to his sons.  I still think he missed the moment in full, but he showed honesty, compassion, and just being a human being.

There were no winners from last nights debate because we didn't have a debate.  In understand how hard it is to be on stage with an interrupting liar like Trump...and still wished Biden would have been able to own the stage.  But he couldn't.  He certainly didn't hurt himself though, so there is that.  I'm not sure I can watch anymore....and I'm not sure I can turn away.

No one can own the stage with tRump unless they act like tRump.  That isn't a compliment.  

Biden just won't go there.  He wants to follow the rules even though tRump won't.  It did piss me off a little how Biden would listen when Wallace would give him the "please let him finish" command even though tRump just completely ignored him.

mrussel1

"Crackhead"...  https://theweek.com/speedreads/940618/undecided-voters-describe-trump-crackhead-arrogant-postdebate-focus-group

dankind

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Yes, I addressed that Poncier was likely not being clinical. People misuse behavioral/mental health phrases such as senile, manic, addict(ed), antisocial, schizo, depressed, etc. every second.  Pretty sure I've been called all of those. 

I'm fairly certain that I don't need to explain this to anyone, but here we are.

So anyone over a certain age is senile?  I don't understand throwing around insults and then saying "that's not what I really mean".  When I say Trump is a lunatic, I mean it. 

Jesus! I've been called senile for forgetting my password. The person who called me that meant it, too, just not in a clinical sense.

When all you've got is semantics, you really don't have much. I spend every day defending the English language, and even I recognize this.

Perhaps you will, too.

mrussel1

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Yes, I addressed that Poncier was likely not being clinical. People misuse behavioral/mental health phrases such as senile, manic, addict(ed), antisocial, schizo, depressed, etc. every second.  Pretty sure I've been called all of those. 

I'm fairly certain that I don't need to explain this to anyone, but here we are.

So anyone over a certain age is senile?  I don't understand throwing around insults and then saying "that's not what I really mean".  When I say Trump is a lunatic, I mean it. 

Jesus! I've been called senile for forgetting my password. The person who called me that meant it, too, just not in a clinical sense.

When all you've got is semantics, you really don't have much. I spend every day defending the English language, and even I recognize this.

Perhaps you will, too.

Yes, but that's normal because there's no element of truth or application that you could possibly be senile, right?  You understand the language and semantics, so you know damn well there's a huge difference between calling a septuagenarian 'senile' and calling a 30, 40 year old senile.  One is likely to be an intended insult, and the other a joke.  

Poncier

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

If I am losing my faculties in my 70's, especially if I am exhibiting it publicly to the entire world, I would expect my kid to say something.

Poncier

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

Damn, guess I need glasses.

dankind

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Yes, I addressed that Poncier was likely not being clinical. People misuse behavioral/mental health phrases such as senile, manic, addict(ed), antisocial, schizo, depressed, etc. every second.  Pretty sure I've been called all of those. 

I'm fairly certain that I don't need to explain this to anyone, but here we are.

So anyone over a certain age is senile?  I don't understand throwing around insults and then saying "that's not what I really mean".  When I say Trump is a lunatic, I mean it. 

Jesus! I've been called senile for forgetting my password. The person who called me that meant it, too, just not in a clinical sense.

When all you've got is semantics, you really don't have much. I spend every day defending the English language, and even I recognize this.

Perhaps you will, too.

Yes, but that's normal because there's no element of truth or application that you could possibly be senile, right?  You understand the language and semantics, so you know damn well there's a huge difference between calling a septuagenarian 'senile' and calling a 30, 40 year old senile.  One is likely to be an intended insult, and the other a joke.  

Regardless of age, calling a public figure "senile" seems more jokey to me than calling a fellow board member a "greedy fool," which is fairly insulting. I understand that the GOP is using the term more negatively, but I really don't think our fellow posters are.

This is nothing new. People have been calling both candidates (and plenty others) some version of senile for a while now. Thing is that the clinical term is less used than the more broad definition -- the first definition M-W will give you is "... of, relating to, exhibiting, or characteristic of old age," adding an especially subentry regarding cognitive ability beneath the main entry -- so even if you want to argue semantics, you've got weak sauce, since you and I have no control over the broader lexicography.

For more from M-W, here are the two example sentences it gives for the senile entry:

1. Every time I got a government job, I always felt obligated to tell the authorities that I had this mother who had probably been a Communist. It was an annoying piece of baggage. Then eventually she became senile and forgot about politics and actually became very benign.

2. There appears to be little common ground between those who see the paintings [Willem de Kooning's late works] in question as a sublime achievement, a late style comparable to the cut-paper masterpieces of the aging Matisse, and those who describe them as the senile doodlings of a once great artist whose reputation is being damaged for the sake of commercial exploitation.

And two M-W examples from the Web (no shit!):

1. Republicans largely ignored the pandemic while attacking Joe Biden as a senile lifetime politician controlled by his party's far-left wing and incapable of protecting suburban voters from mobs of protesters.

2. Pirro may have yada yada-ed the conspiracy, but the point is clear: The Democratic Party and their enablers are conspiring to replace the senile Biden with the sinister Harris.

Poncier

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Poncier said:

Well next week we should see a real debate with respect and decorum when Pence and Harris go at it.
Each is better served to be at the top of their party's respective ticket than the senile old dude each party has nominated.
We're so screwed as a country.

Congratulate yourself for getting right down to trumps level. Only a greedy fool would put bidens performance on an equal footing as trumps. May your children and/or family speak about you in that manner when you are in your 70s

It's amazing how if you point out any similarities between the two candidates, even if it's a glaringly obvious one -- namely, both are senile old dudes (and I'm fairly certain Poncer isn't being clinical here; if he's a medical doctor, I'll eat my coffee mug) -- you're immediately insulted by the usual suspects here. A similarity here and there does not equate to duplication. (Alert: I'm a white man and have trouble with tie length. Gasp! I must be just like Donald Trump!!!)

Anyway, your eyes are deceiving you, Poncier. Biden is a middle-aged woman, 180 on the Stanford-Binet, and she just cured Covid-19 and climate change. You should really stop being a greedy fool and just vote for her.

And I would hope that my entire family is honest about my mental faculties deteriorating in my old age. They certainly wouldn't be doing me any favors by ignoring it.

Edit: I did not nor will I ever watch these two candidates debate.

Neither was even close to being senile.  That's just a pejorative.  There's no way you could have watched this debate and came to that conclusion.  Trump was a lunatic as usual.  That's not senile, that's intentional.  Biden was square on his game.  I doubt if many people leveling senility accusations could have possibly stayed as focused as Biden while the POTUS is yelling insults at you while trying to make a point.  

Yes, I addressed that Poncier was likely not being clinical. People misuse behavioral/mental health phrases such as senile, manic, addict(ed), antisocial, schizo, depressed, etc. every second.  Pretty sure I've been called all of those. 

I'm fairly certain that I don't need to explain this to anyone, but here we are.

So anyone over a certain age is senile?  I don't understand throwing around insults and then saying "that's not what I really mean".  When I say Trump is a lunatic, I mean it. 

Jesus! I've been called senile for forgetting my password. The person who called me that meant it, too, just not in a clinical sense.

When all you've got is semantics, you really don't have much. I spend every day defending the English language, and even I recognize this.

Perhaps you will, too.

Yes, but that's normal because there's no element of truth or application that you could possibly be senile, right?  You understand the language and semantics, so you know damn well there's a huge difference between calling a septuagenarian 'senile' and calling a 30, 40 year old senile.  One is likely to be an intended insult, and the other a joke.  

Its pretty clear watching their various public appearances this year that both of the candidates are definitely not as sharp as they once were. If anyone can't recognize that I don't know what to tell you. As Dan points out, I used senile just to enhance the point that they are both not nearly as sharp as they used to be nor as sharp as a candidate for the highest office in our country should be in my opinion, not a clinical diagnosis, Not intended as an insult, but as a descriptor, but take it however you like.

Spiritual_Chaos

What person at 75 is as sharp as they used to be.