GOP

Lerxst1992

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The danger is Russians get no say. Putin can send ten thousand Russian men to their deaths every week, and he can not be removed from power, without substancial civil war  bloodshed.

Does it matter? You'll just say anything to propogate your Master's anti American rhetoric.

Biden Harris got blamed for high food prices. That's why we are here. And Ukraine will pay the price. But you will not count the cost

mickeyrat

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

gloves and allow the country showing and proving a willingness to fight the means and support to do so.
that we've waited this long tying one hand behind their back while russia continues to target civilians is a fucking travesty.

Halifax2TheMax

josevolution said:

I keep seeing the phrase “ The Golden Age “ by the MAGA posters here what does that mean? What do you see happening that will be so great? 

I always thought of the golden age to be in the 50’s when conditions were terrible for the black community, gays didn’t have any rights, women were basically relegated to having kids,kitchen,house chores, immigration wasn’t a big issue as it is today probably because things were pretty stable throughout Latin America! So tell me what is the Golden Age.

They can’t articulate it. They can’t say what the “golden age” will consist of or what “happy days are here again” means. For one, it’ll expose them for who they are and two, they can’t list anything measurable that can be confirmed. All smoke and mirrors. Like this guy.

Gern Blansten

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

LOL you really are just a troll 

Gern Blansten

Hawk123 said:

Taxpayer money to cover up sexual assault allegations, hopefully that’s an efficient use of government money by DOGE standards. 

“Marjorie Taylor Greene made a sensational allegation that her Republican colleagues in Congress have covered up “sexual harassment and assault claims” by paying off victims with taxpayer money.  

The MAGA diehard made the revelation as a growing number of GOP politicians have expressed reservations about Donald Trump’s choice to appoint the scandal-scarred ex-lawmaker Matt Gaetz to be his attorney general.”

Yeah and why isn't this a major headline. If a dem said that we would be going over it 24\7

Halifax2TheMax

Fucking Dr. Oz and Linda McMahon in the cabinet and key rolls within the incoming administration, are you serious? This is what you voted in?

Put your markers down, tell us and define for us, the skeptics, and those you want to come over to Elongitaint and Matt Getts Off’s side, what the “golden age” and “happy days are here again” will look like. Be articulate, define them with measurable categories and no memes or gifs, please and thank you.

Fucking world is laughing at the circus being assembled.

teskeinc

mickeyrat said:

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

gloves and allow the country showing and proving a willingness to fight the means and support to do so.
that we've waited this long tying one hand behind their back while russia continues to target civilians is a fucking travesty.

That’s what you voted for and wanted to do it again 🤷🏻‍♂️

teskeinc

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

LOL you really are just a troll 

When you have no substance you result to name calling! Way to contribute!

tbergs

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

I'll chime in because what you are suggesting above would eventually lead to another WW more so then the US backing a country defending itself from an unprovoked invasion by an authoritarian regime. With this thinking, I'll assume you're also against NATO? How safe do you think a world is where a militarily superior (or mostly just larger in some cases) country could decide it wanted more land, resources, etc. and be allowed to do so while the rest of the world just watched and waited to see what happened next. I'm pretty sure we've seen that story before and it didn't go real well.

There is no simple solution and no negotiation that doesn't allow Ukraine to keep all of it's land pre-Russian invasion. You don't give Russia any part of Ukraine in a treaty. Invaders and ransackers should never be rewarded for their war crimes. You do make it clear to Russia that the US will continue to support Ukraine's defense of itself until they retreat.

Does Trump or his incoming regime have the stomach to stand against Russian tyranny? I'm not optimistic, but we'll see. 

teskeinc

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

I'll chime in because what you are suggesting above would eventually lead to another WW more so then the US backing a country defending itself from an unprovoked invasion by an authoritarian regime. With this thinking, I'll assume you're also against NATO? How safe do you think a world is where a militarily superior (or mostly just larger in some cases) country could decide it wanted more land, resources, etc. and be allowed to do so while the rest of the world just watched and waited to see what happened next. I'm pretty sure we've seen that story before and it didn't go real well.

There is no simple solution and no negotiation that doesn't allow Ukraine to keep all of it's land pre-Russian invasion. You don't give Russia any part of Ukraine in a treaty. Invaders and ransackers should never be rewarded for their war crimes. You do make it clear to Russia that the US will continue to support Ukraine's defense of itself until they retreat.

Does Trump or his incoming regime have the stomach to stand against Russian tyranny? I'm not optimistic, but we'll see. 

It’s going to have to be some sort of compromise. Putin isn’t going to retreat and just say my bad. Sorry. We can’t just write blank checks to Zelensky to buy US weapons and now (thanks to Biden) fire them deep into Russia to escalate. 

Ukraine is going to have to give up a portion of their territory, as Crimea was when Obama was President, in exchange for a peace treaty and remaining a sovereign country. That may also allow Ukraine to be a member of NATO that would secure their security and future. 

lindamarie73

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

LOL you really are just a troll 

When you have no substance you result to name calling! Way to contribute!

Thats when you know you gottem…especially when one busts out the ole TROLL label….Owning libs is so much fun and getting easier.  These next 4 years are going to be a gas on here…

Gern Blansten

lindamarie73 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

LOL you really are just a troll 

When you have no substance you result to name calling! Way to contribute!

Thats when you know you gottem…especially when one busts out the ole TROLL label….Owning libs is so much fun and getting easier.  These next 4 years are going to be a gas on here…

LOL yeah we're looking forward to the golden shower age 

josevolution

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

I'll chime in because what you are suggesting above would eventually lead to another WW more so then the US backing a country defending itself from an unprovoked invasion by an authoritarian regime. With this thinking, I'll assume you're also against NATO? How safe do you think a world is where a militarily superior (or mostly just larger in some cases) country could decide it wanted more land, resources, etc. and be allowed to do so while the rest of the world just watched and waited to see what happened next. I'm pretty sure we've seen that story before and it didn't go real well.

There is no simple solution and no negotiation that doesn't allow Ukraine to keep all of it's land pre-Russian invasion. You don't give Russia any part of Ukraine in a treaty. Invaders and ransackers should never be rewarded for their war crimes. You do make it clear to Russia that the US will continue to support Ukraine's defense of itself until they retreat.

Does Trump or his incoming regime have the stomach to stand against Russian tyranny? I'm not optimistic, but we'll see. 

It’s going to have to be some sort of compromise. Putin isn’t going to retreat and just say my bad. Sorry. We can’t just write blank checks to Zelensky to buy US weapons and now (thanks to Biden) fire them deep into Russia to escalate. 

Ukraine is going to have to give up a portion of their territory, as Crimea was when Obama was President, in exchange for a peace treaty and remaining a sovereign country. That may also allow Ukraine to be a member of NATO that would secure their security and future. 

So if someone broke into your home and said I’m going to keep the kitchen you can have the rest you’d just let them have it! Why should the world bow down to Putin? You love yourself bullies and Russian propaganda how about fuck him 

teskeinc

josevolution said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

I'll chime in because what you are suggesting above would eventually lead to another WW more so then the US backing a country defending itself from an unprovoked invasion by an authoritarian regime. With this thinking, I'll assume you're also against NATO? How safe do you think a world is where a militarily superior (or mostly just larger in some cases) country could decide it wanted more land, resources, etc. and be allowed to do so while the rest of the world just watched and waited to see what happened next. I'm pretty sure we've seen that story before and it didn't go real well.

There is no simple solution and no negotiation that doesn't allow Ukraine to keep all of it's land pre-Russian invasion. You don't give Russia any part of Ukraine in a treaty. Invaders and ransackers should never be rewarded for their war crimes. You do make it clear to Russia that the US will continue to support Ukraine's defense of itself until they retreat.

Does Trump or his incoming regime have the stomach to stand against Russian tyranny? I'm not optimistic, but we'll see. 

It’s going to have to be some sort of compromise. Putin isn’t going to retreat and just say my bad. Sorry. We can’t just write blank checks to Zelensky to buy US weapons and now (thanks to Biden) fire them deep into Russia to escalate. 

Ukraine is going to have to give up a portion of their territory, as Crimea was when Obama was President, in exchange for a peace treaty and remaining a sovereign country. That may also allow Ukraine to be a member of NATO that would secure their security and future. 

So if someone broke into your home and said I’m going to keep the kitchen you can have the rest you’d just let them have it! Why should the world bow down to Putin? You love yourself bullies and Russian propaganda how about fuck him 

I would start with some World History books instead of fantasizing about Trump rapes. Possibly even US History. Sorry to break it to you, what I said will be the solution. Similar to when Obama gave Russia Crimea. The goal is to stop needless deaths and restore peace. But you know how great of a negotiator Trump is, maybe he does get  Putin to retreat all the way. We know Biden/Harris had no concept of a plan to end things.

Halifax2TheMax

teskeinc said:

josevolution said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

I'll chime in because what you are suggesting above would eventually lead to another WW more so then the US backing a country defending itself from an unprovoked invasion by an authoritarian regime. With this thinking, I'll assume you're also against NATO? How safe do you think a world is where a militarily superior (or mostly just larger in some cases) country could decide it wanted more land, resources, etc. and be allowed to do so while the rest of the world just watched and waited to see what happened next. I'm pretty sure we've seen that story before and it didn't go real well.

There is no simple solution and no negotiation that doesn't allow Ukraine to keep all of it's land pre-Russian invasion. You don't give Russia any part of Ukraine in a treaty. Invaders and ransackers should never be rewarded for their war crimes. You do make it clear to Russia that the US will continue to support Ukraine's defense of itself until they retreat.

Does Trump or his incoming regime have the stomach to stand against Russian tyranny? I'm not optimistic, but we'll see. 

It’s going to have to be some sort of compromise. Putin isn’t going to retreat and just say my bad. Sorry. We can’t just write blank checks to Zelensky to buy US weapons and now (thanks to Biden) fire them deep into Russia to escalate. 

Ukraine is going to have to give up a portion of their territory, as Crimea was when Obama was President, in exchange for a peace treaty and remaining a sovereign country. That may also allow Ukraine to be a member of NATO that would secure their security and future. 

So if someone broke into your home and said I’m going to keep the kitchen you can have the rest you’d just let them have it! Why should the world bow down to Putin? You love yourself bullies and Russian propaganda how about fuck him 

I would start with some World History books instead of fantasizing about Trump rapes. Possibly even US History. Sorry to break it to you, what I said will be the solution. Similar to when Obama gave Russia Crimea. The goal is to stop needless deaths and restore peace. But you know how great of a negotiator Trump is, maybe he does get  Putin to retreat all the way. We know Biden/Harris had no concept of a plan to end things.

You didn’t answer the question. Why is this so difficult for MAGA? It’s like the mini me version of the healthcare plan or infrastructure week. What’s next? Pulling a blank page out of your inside suit jacket, the one with the Drew Bledsoe shoulder pads, waving it around before tucking it back away safely, then snapping your suit jacket closed and stomping off?

Philly NJ

Hawk123 said:

Taxpayer money to cover up sexual assault allegations, hopefully that’s an efficient use of government money by DOGE standards. 

“Marjorie Taylor Greene made a sensational allegation that her Republican colleagues in Congress have covered up “sexual harassment and assault claims” by paying off victims with taxpayer money.  

The MAGA diehard made the revelation as a growing number of GOP politicians have expressed reservations about Donald Trump’s choice to appoint the scandal-scarred ex-lawmaker Matt Gaetz to be his attorney general.”

This is not a new story. It's both parties paying hush money.  Or should I say taxpayers are paying the hush money. DC is a swamp. Most are corrupt and compromised by the sex/drugs rampant in the Halls of Congress and streets of DC.

Gern Blansten

Philly NJ said:

Hawk123 said:

Taxpayer money to cover up sexual assault allegations, hopefully that’s an efficient use of government money by DOGE standards. 

“Marjorie Taylor Greene made a sensational allegation that her Republican colleagues in Congress have covered up “sexual harassment and assault claims” by paying off victims with taxpayer money.  

The MAGA diehard made the revelation as a growing number of GOP politicians have expressed reservations about Donald Trump’s choice to appoint the scandal-scarred ex-lawmaker Matt Gaetz to be his attorney general.”

This is not a new story. It's both parties paying hush money.  Or should I say taxpayers are paying the hush money. DC is a swamp. Most are corrupt and compromised by the sex/drugs rampant in the Halls of Congress and streets of DC.

MTG refers to "republican colleagues" here...she would have mentioned both parties if she had that info

Congrats on voting the rape party into power.

josevolution

Philly NJ said:

Hawk123 said:

Taxpayer money to cover up sexual assault allegations, hopefully that’s an efficient use of government money by DOGE standards. 

“Marjorie Taylor Greene made a sensational allegation that her Republican colleagues in Congress have covered up “sexual harassment and assault claims” by paying off victims with taxpayer money.  

The MAGA diehard made the revelation as a growing number of GOP politicians have expressed reservations about Donald Trump’s choice to appoint the scandal-scarred ex-lawmaker Matt Gaetz to be his attorney general.”

This is not a new story. It's both parties paying hush money.  Or should I say taxpayers are paying the hush money. DC is a swamp. Most are corrupt and compromised by the sex/drugs rampant in the Halls of Congress and streets of DC.

Yep and now the most corrupt hush money paying customer is in charge glad you’re seeing this and agreeing! Stormy comes to mind 

mickeyrat

teskeinc said:

josevolution said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

mickeyrat said:

Hawk123 said:

teskeinc said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

Gern Blansten said:

Philly NJ said:

OnWis97 said:

I don't quite understand the logic why Russia's unencumbered conquest of Ukraine is the only way WWIII can be prevented. 

source: Gallop

Ukrainians’ current attitudes toward the war represent a decisive shift from where they stood after it began in late February 2022. Surveyed in the months after Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukrainians were defiant, with 73% preferring fighting until victory.

In 2023, support for fighting until victory slipped, but more than twice as many Ukrainians favored a continued fight (63%) over a negotiated peace (27%). Fatigue has intensified this year, with support for negotiated peace rising to 52%, the first time it has reached a majority.

Supporting negotiating peace is a lot different than giving up and letting Russia take part of your country. Let's see the results of that question.

I haven't heard anyone of authority say give up.  Should have been negotiating a long time ago.

Or, you know, maybe Russia shouldn't have invaded their country.

If someone breaks into your house do you negotiate with them to leave? Or just let them stay?

You defend your own house. Ukraine couldn’t defend their own country. Over the course of history if you can’t defend your country you lose it. 

The Nazi viewpoint. Angry white man projecting his anger onto others as a show of masculinity. 

whats interesting about the take above yours is it forgets that Kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. They're about to enter year 3 and Kiev still stands. That a country with no Navy forced anothers fleet to move . And if Ukraine never gave up their nukes, would they be in the position they are in today?

What’s your solution then? Another Afghanistan where you pump billions of our money for weapons contracts for Russia and Ukraine to kill and maim each other for 20 more years? Just wait it out until Putin dies of old age?

I'll chime in because what you are suggesting above would eventually lead to another WW more so then the US backing a country defending itself from an unprovoked invasion by an authoritarian regime. With this thinking, I'll assume you're also against NATO? How safe do you think a world is where a militarily superior (or mostly just larger in some cases) country could decide it wanted more land, resources, etc. and be allowed to do so while the rest of the world just watched and waited to see what happened next. I'm pretty sure we've seen that story before and it didn't go real well.

There is no simple solution and no negotiation that doesn't allow Ukraine to keep all of it's land pre-Russian invasion. You don't give Russia any part of Ukraine in a treaty. Invaders and ransackers should never be rewarded for their war crimes. You do make it clear to Russia that the US will continue to support Ukraine's defense of itself until they retreat.

Does Trump or his incoming regime have the stomach to stand against Russian tyranny? I'm not optimistic, but we'll see. 

It’s going to have to be some sort of compromise. Putin isn’t going to retreat and just say my bad. Sorry. We can’t just write blank checks to Zelensky to buy US weapons and now (thanks to Biden) fire them deep into Russia to escalate. 

Ukraine is going to have to give up a portion of their territory, as Crimea was when Obama was President, in exchange for a peace treaty and remaining a sovereign country. That may also allow Ukraine to be a member of NATO that would secure their security and future. 

So if someone broke into your home and said I’m going to keep the kitchen you can have the rest you’d just let them have it! Why should the world bow down to Putin? You love yourself bullies and Russian propaganda how about fuck him 

I would start with some World History books instead of fantasizing about Trump rapes. Possibly even US History. Sorry to break it to you, what I said will be the solution. Similar to when Obama gave Russia Crimea. The goal is to stop needless deaths and restore peace. But you know how great of a negotiator Trump is, maybe he does get  Putin to retreat all the way. We know Biden/Harris had no concept of a plan to end things.

gave crimea. right. at the time of invasion and annex of crimea, a putin stooge was president of ukraine and did nothing. he was then ousted through popular revolt and fled to Russia like the pussy he is. democracy emerged then russia fomented and bankrolled and supplied manpower to  separatists in the east.  leading to a mini civil war. cut to 2021/2022 when "exercises" on the border were a "nothingburger" look away nothing to see, and biden called it every step of the way. invasion and kiev was supposed to fall in 3 days. using antiquated russian arms and ammo, they pushed them back. humiliating fucksticks love interest.  think theres something like 700k in russian dead? havent seen the numbers for the Ukrainians

you do believe in self determination,  dont you? if not why do you hate america so much?

 

OnWis97

"Not stolen. Conquered."