GOP

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

you call being able to be called by a name of your choosing "transgender therapy"? this right here folks, is the epitome of fear mongering bullshit. 

So … that’s extreme for sure. But we don’t have to go to extremes to talk about this. It is true that parents get called if their kid is found with aspirin. But it’s cool to just pick a different name and Identity and not let the parents know? 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's 100% fear/prejudice. 

Dude it’s not. Not for everyone. This kinda talk is just trash 

cincybearcat

OnWis97 said:

I think part of the the problem is that it's a very slippery slope to teachers calling parents with other stuff.  "He's hanging out with a questionable group of friends." "There are rumors that she's promiscuous."

Is the only difference that the student actually said "I want to be called by this name?" Is that the line? What if a student mentions being gay in the vicinity of a teacher? What if someone asks to be called by a new name because of a conversion to Islam?

Calling the parents about this one issue strikes me as being rooted in something akin to fear and/or prejudice. 

So I think teachers have had those kinds of conversations with parents. 

Merkin Baller

Is it standard practice for teachers to call parents if their kids exhibit homosexual tendencies? 

mickeyrat

on brand.  get a job you fucking freeloaders. ..

https://twitter.com/alifeofinsanity/status/1724230277768028633?t=O0Io_8FYDfJwgd3bzcrDrA&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/MantaHunk/status/1724094117335179748?t=4fosUkWDdrebUX8DS7MHew&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1724228850740273397?t=-pNa09x8_bo_31PTmJkZ4g&s=19

cblock4life

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fuck "parental rights". just a fucking bigotted dog whistle against the protection of marginalized people. why is it assumed a parent has a "right" to know everything about their kid? they don't. it's a feeling of powerlessness, as a parent of two teenage daughters, to acknowledge this, but it's a fact. I don't have any right to know what they wish to be called amongst their peers and in their private lives. no parent of straight kids ever complained about having the right to know who their child is dating or what nicknames they go by. this is no different. but because this scares ignorant people, all of a sudden they claim "rights" they never had. 

Fuck parental rights?  WTF.  Have we gone just fucking looney tunes here.  

You are painting a broad picture and generalizing a shit ton here.

I put in in quotations for a reason. I'm only referring to the specific context of this "I deserve to know if my kid is trans" bullshit. 

Ah, then I apologize as I took that to mean more than you did.

I would tend to agree.  I think that most parents that have a healthy relationship with their children would already know before it shows up at school....but there could be times where kids expect the worst.  

As I parent, I still find it hard to believe that something that big...not just sexuality, that shouldn't be reported unless inappropriate behavior at school that would get same treatment regardless of sexuality...but a name change/gender change?  Seems to be significant and something that parents should be brought into.  It's just delaying it anyhow.  Again, we are talking minors.  These aren't adults. 

how does it harm the kid to express themselves freely how they wish to express themselves? they aren't getting surgery. they are identifying as someone who they feel they are. 

the GOP is fooling you into believing this is an issue, and they get their wish; more people spreading misinformation and fear against a marginalized community leading to more and more bigotry. 

a friend of my 14 year old goes by a male name now. she was born female. they also wish to be addressed as he. the parents still call the child their given name when in conversation with other parents. I don't know what they do at home. that's their business. but they don't get all crazy about the child going by their chosen name at school. that would be making a mountain out of a molehill, and would just make the child retreat further into their own confusion, and likely close up shop emotionally. that's not healthy. what is healthy is letting the child explore their own self without doing anything permanent. changing your name on a test is not permanent, nor worthy of the fear mongering it's getting. 

Sorry, but the bolded is much worse than what the GOP could do to their child.  This behavior reeks of shame.  

Merkin Baller

Merkin Baller said:

Is it standard practice for teachers to call parents if their kids exhibit homosexual tendencies? 

I feel like this would be a more appropriate comparison to say, finding a bottle of aspirin on a student... we should all be able to wrap our brains around the idea of teachers trying to protect students from potentially abusive / bigoted / intolerant parents at home. 

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

Merkin Baller said:

Is it standard practice for teachers to call parents if their kids exhibit homosexual tendencies? 

I feel like this would be a more appropriate comparison to say, finding a bottle of aspirin on a student... we should all be able to wrap our brains around the idea of teachers trying to protect students from potentially abusive / bigoted / intolerant parents at home. 

I don't know.  Teachers/schools have often notified of a change in behavior etc.  I kinda think it's close to that.  It's definitely a tough spot to be in, cause as I said most kids with supportive parents would have already told them...well I actually don't know if it's true it's my assumption.

I don't think a teacher/school assuming parents are going to be abusive/intolerant, etc is ok though.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

Merkin Baller said:

Is it standard practice for teachers to call parents if their kids exhibit homosexual tendencies? 

I feel like this would be a more appropriate comparison to say, finding a bottle of aspirin on a student... we should all be able to wrap our brains around the idea of teachers trying to protect students from potentially abusive / bigoted / intolerant parents at home. 

I don't know.  Teachers/schools have often notified of a change in behavior etc.  I kinda think it's close to that.  It's definitely a tough spot to be in, cause as I said most kids with supportive parents would have already told them...well I actually don't know if it's true it's my assumption.

I don't think a teacher/school assuming parents are going to be abusive/intolerant, etc is ok though.

It's probably not right to assume all parents are going to be abusive / intolerant, but OTOH, how do they truly know, and should they risk it?

I'll defer to my first question: is it standard practice for teachers to alert parents if the kid came out of the closet at school? 

Gern Blansten

A lot of this just seems like putting more responsibility on teachers. Let them fucking teach and stay away from this bullshit.

Drugs and threats are one thing...a kids sexual orientation is totally different.

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1724478527704354873

LOL

JeBurkhardt

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

Merkin Baller said:

Is it standard practice for teachers to call parents if their kids exhibit homosexual tendencies? 

I feel like this would be a more appropriate comparison to say, finding a bottle of aspirin on a student... we should all be able to wrap our brains around the idea of teachers trying to protect students from potentially abusive / bigoted / intolerant parents at home. 

I don't know.  Teachers/schools have often notified of a change in behavior etc.  I kinda think it's close to that.  It's definitely a tough spot to be in, cause as I said most kids with supportive parents would have already told them...well I actually don't know if it's true it's my assumption.

I don't think a teacher/school assuming parents are going to be abusive/intolerant, etc is ok though.

It's probably not right to assume all parents are going to be abusive / intolerant, but OTOH, how do they truly know, and should they risk it?

I'll defer to my first question: is it standard practice for teachers to alert parents if the kid came out of the closet at school? 

Absolutely not. My wife teaches in a high school and it would be completely inappropriate for her to do so.  

Go Beavers

JB16057 said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/realTuckFrumper/status/1723298167968735658?t=FI8HTsrzLsfGDaf70snrZw&s=19

This is a pretty tricky situation I think. We’d like all parents to be supportive of their kids…but I’m not really sure why withholding information about child from his/her parents is ok for a school. 

Because school staff should be able to use professional judgment in situations where parents are going to respond in abusive manner when getting the news. 

Define professional judgement... Not all school staff have the ability to be able to do this. Does the school staff only listen to what the kid says? That's not fair or professional. Schools should not have the right to keep information from parents.

If a kid is apprehensive about coming out to their parents, it can be reality based anxiety, for example the parents have made several negative comments about gays, or it can be more based in uncertainty, and the kid just doesn’t know how they’ll respond so they don’t risk it. I see nothing advantageous about the school forcing kids to be out to their parents. They aren’t harming anyone or doing anything by being gay. It’s their sexuality and it’s their own power with regard to how they want to come out. The government shouldn’t be taking that power away. 

Also, the school can’t be in a constant loop with parents reporting on everything. Do they need to tell the parents about the kids heterosexuality and who they’re dating or holding hands with in the hallway?

Go Beavers

JB16057 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/realTuckFrumper/status/1723298167968735658?t=FI8HTsrzLsfGDaf70snrZw&s=19

This is a pretty tricky situation I think. We’d like all parents to be supportive of their kids…but I’m not really sure why withholding information about child from his/her parents is ok for a school. 

Because school staff should be able to use professional judgment in situations where parents are going to respond in abusive manner when getting the news. 

Agreed...if we haven't had a situation yet where a child gets abused or killed because of this it is surely somewhere on the horizon.

Your opinion is decided on "what if".

Are you really worried that a majority of parents will abuse or kill their child if they learn the truth about their child? Some parents abuse their kids for no reason. Do you also think we should take away all parental rights because some parents abuse their children? 

I’m worried about the kids that are abused and/or kicked out of their home because their parents found out they were gay. 

Vitalogensia

Coming from Virginia, the state where the mighty Glenn Youngkin defeated CRT, I find the whole topic about education and parental rights to be a tad ridiculous.  I mean, if a parent wants to have a say in their kid's education outside of the privacy of their home, they can get an education degree and follow that up with a job in teaching or administration.  Simple.  

Gern Blansten

Vitalogensia said:

Coming from Virginia, the state where the mighty Glenn Youngkin defeated CRT, I find the whole topic about education and parental rights to be a tad ridiculous.  I mean, if a parent wants to have a say in their kid's education outside of the privacy of their home, they can get an education degree and follow that up with a job in teaching or administration.  Simple.  

Agreed...the GOP is weaponizing this. And probably because they want to continue to weaken public schools so that they get a better break when they put their little darlings into private school.

If you want to send your kid to private school that's fine....but don't take money away from public schools. Fuck that. 

JB16057

https://www.kcci.com/article/des-moines-public-schools-force-kids-to-be-gay-deleted-social-media-post-issues-apology/45808589#

Go Beavers

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fuck "parental rights". just a fucking bigotted dog whistle against the protection of marginalized people. why is it assumed a parent has a "right" to know everything about their kid? they don't. it's a feeling of powerlessness, as a parent of two teenage daughters, to acknowledge this, but it's a fact. I don't have any right to know what they wish to be called amongst their peers and in their private lives. no parent of straight kids ever complained about having the right to know who their child is dating or what nicknames they go by. this is no different. but because this scares ignorant people, all of a sudden they claim "rights" they never had. 

Fuck parental rights?  WTF.  Have we gone just fucking looney tunes here.  

You are painting a broad picture and generalizing a shit ton here.

I put in in quotations for a reason. I'm only referring to the specific context of this "I deserve to know if my kid is trans" bullshit. 

Ah, then I apologize as I took that to mean more than you did.

I would tend to agree.  I think that most parents that have a healthy relationship with their children would already know before it shows up at school....but there could be times where kids expect the worst.  

As I parent, I still find it hard to believe that something that big...not just sexuality, that shouldn't be reported unless inappropriate behavior at school that would get same treatment regardless of sexuality...but a name change/gender change?  Seems to be significant and something that parents should be brought into.  It's just delaying it anyhow.  Again, we are talking minors.  These aren't adults. 

how does it harm the kid to express themselves freely how they wish to express themselves? they aren't getting surgery. they are identifying as someone who they feel they are. 

the GOP is fooling you into believing this is an issue, and they get their wish; more people spreading misinformation and fear against a marginalized community leading to more and more bigotry. 

a friend of my 14 year old goes by a male name now. she was born female. they also wish to be addressed as he. the parents still call the child their given name when in conversation with other parents. I don't know what they do at home. that's their business. but they don't get all crazy about the child going by their chosen name at school. that would be making a mountain out of a molehill, and would just make the child retreat further into their own confusion, and likely close up shop emotionally. that's not healthy. what is healthy is letting the child explore their own self without doing anything permanent. changing your name on a test is not permanent, nor worthy of the fear mongering it's getting. 

Kids can't take Tylenol at school but the schools can offer Transgender therapy without telling the parents but go ahead and blame the GOP.

Some school districts require parental consent for a student to talk with a counselor, and others don’t. 

I blame the gop for nosing into an issue they don’t have business being in, continuing their attacks on public schools, and trying to make “parental rights” part of their culture war bullshit.