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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,606

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,112
    Merkin Baller said:
    Alleged socialist AOC has a better sense of personal responsibility than the party of personal responsibility & its supporters. 

    Hows that for irony?
    She is in the DSA I don't think there is anything alleged about it.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,112
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.

    And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern. 
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take it
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    Whatever dude.  That's absurd.  D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal?  After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward?  After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)?  After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth?  Give me a break.  In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one.  Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves.  There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals.  This is literally all on the GOP.  It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point.  They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making  another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.
    I expected this so, hear me out.  If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.

    OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted.  (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated.  Something you also knew was going to happen.  (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month.  Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?

    I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'.  Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month.  It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.

    This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.

    Ok let's hear it.
    Their mess, their rules, going back on agreements, not operating in good faith, fucking everything up and then expecting to be bailed out?  Dude how do you not see that it is completely untenable for Ds or anyone to continue supporting that shit.  All Ds and the country would get would be the country moving further and further to the hard right.  This is an R problem and the Rs really need to solve it.  I don't want a "functioning" government if it means that MAGAs control every aspect of operations, and without any good faith actors on the R side that is what we will get unless they clean up their mess.  I'm not even a partisan, I agree that most politicians are scum and have voted D R and Independent in the past, believe me Ds don't get a lot of slack from me, but in this case they are absolutely doing the right thing.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,606
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.

    And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern. 
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take it
    mrussel1 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    Whatever dude.  That's absurd.  D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal?  After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward?  After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)?  After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth?  Give me a break.  In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?
    static111 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
    smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stuck
    Where there smoke there's fire huh?

    I figured he would be gone.

    Dems don't get a free pass on this one.  They wanted the chaos too apparently.
    I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one.  Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves.  There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals.  This is literally all on the GOP.  It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point.  They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making  another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.
    I expected this so, hear me out.  If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.

    OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted.  (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated.  Something you also knew was going to happen.  (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month.  Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?

    I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'.  Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month.  It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.

    This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.

    Ok let's hear it.
    Their mess, their rules, going back on agreements, not operating in good faith, fucking everything up and then expecting to be bailed out?  Dude how do you not see that it is completely untenable for Ds or anyone to continue supporting that shit.  All Ds and the country would get would be the country moving further and further to the hard right.  This is an R problem and the Rs really need to solve it.  I don't want a "functioning" government if it means that MAGAs control every aspect of operations, and without any good faith actors on the R side that is what we will get unless they clean up their mess.  I'm not even a partisan, I agree that most politicians are scum and have voted D R and Independent in the past, believe me Ds don't get a lot of slack from me, but in this case they are absolutely doing the right thing.

    also seems to be the big business model.....
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited October 2023
    static111 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Alleged socialist AOC has a better sense of personal responsibility than the party of personal responsibility & its supporters. 

    Hows that for irony?
    She is in the DSA I don't think there is anything alleged about it.
    Noted....Thanks for clarifying. I'm happy to correct, and my point stands: 


    Confirmed socialist AOC has a better sense of personal responsibility than the party of personal responsibility & its supporters. 

    How's that for irony? 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,606
    tick tock motherfucker

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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Jordan Peterson: if you’re not very smart, it’s better to be conservative

    https://x.com/wadeleonard12/status/1710012510202482886?s=46
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/george-santos-nancy-marks-4d249e9d5e83fd25ed1a19a9e13d3246   Ex-treasurer for Rep. George Santos pleads guilty to conspiracy, tells of bogus loan and fake donors

     
    Ex-treasurer for Rep. George Santos pleads guilty to conspiracy, tells of bogus loan and fake donors
    By JAKE OFFENHARTZ
    59 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — The ex-treasurer for U.S. Rep. George Santos pleaded guilty Thursday to a fraud conspiracy charge and implicated the indicted New York Republican in a scheme to embellish his campaign finance reports with a fake loan and fake donors.

    Nancy Marks, who was a close aide to Santos during his two congressional bids, entered the plea at a federal courthouse on Long Island, where she was a longtime political operative and bookkeeper for multiple candidates.

    Speaking to the judge, Marks briefly outlined a scam she said was intended to hoodwink Republican Party officials into throwing their support behind Santos, who at the time had lost an earlier race for Congress and was struggling to get financial support for a second run.

    To impress party leaders, she said, Santos submitted bogus campaign finance reports falsely saying he had loaned his campaign $500,000 even though in reality he didn't have that kind of money and the loan didn't exist. The fake loan made Santos look way richer than he really was, and also helped him hit fundraising thresholds needed to qualify for backing from a national GOP committee.

    Reading from a prepared statement, Marks also said she had provided the Federal Elections Commission with a fake list of people who had supposedly given large donations to the campaign. Prosecutors said the list included the names of multiple members of Santos' and Marks' families.

    “The donors, who are real people, didn’t give me permission to use their names,” Marks said in court,

    Her plea agreement comes with a recommendation that she serve 3 1/2 years to 4 years in prison.

    Outside the courthouse, Marks’ lawyer said that while his client had not formally entered into a cooperation agreement with prosecutors, she would be willing to testify against Santos if asked.

    “If we get a subpoena we’ll do the right thing,” said the attorney, Ray Perini. He said Santos had “mentally seduced” his client.

    “There’s a manipulation involved that had to do with her family and the death of her husband,” Perini said, declining to elaborate. “There were lies told.”

    Any such testimony could be a severe blow to the congressman, who faces a separate 13-count federal indictment alleging he duped donors, embezzled money from his campaign, lied in financial disclosures submitted to Congress about being a millionaire and received unemployment funds when he wasn’t eligible. He has defied calls to resign.

    An attorney for Santos, Joseph Murray, attended the court hearing and said afterward that he expected Marks was cooperating with the government. A congressional spokesperson for Santos declined to comment.

    Prosecutors didn't charge Santos in the criminal complaint against Marks, but they described him as a “co-conspirator."

    Marks resigned as Santos’ treasurer amid growing questions about his campaign finances and revelations he had fabricated much of his life story.

    After his election, news reporters revealed that Santos had made up stories about where he went to college and where he worked, telling people he was a Wall Street dealmaker with a real estate portfolio when he was actually struggling financially had faced eviction from multiple apartments. Santos also lied about his heritage, saying he was Jewish when he wasn't.

    Santos, a first-term congressman, has acknowledged embellishing his resume, but has accused people of overreacting.

    Previously, he sought to pin the blame for his unexplained finances on Marks, who he claims “went rogue” without his knowledge.

    Marks had not previously been charged. Thursday marked her first appearance in court.

    A key behind-the-scenes figure in Long Island Republican politics, Marks built a business as a treasurer and consultant to dozens of local, state and federal candidates. Her most high-profile client besides Santos was former U.S. Rep. Lee Zeldin of New York, an ally of Donald Trump. She was Zeldin’s bookkeeper when he unsuccessfully ran for governor in 2022.

    Marks had faced scrutiny over Santos' unusual campaign filings, including a series of $199.99 expenses, just below the legal limit for disclosure.

    While Santos has admitted fabricating key parts about his purported background as a wealthy, well-educated businessman, questions remain about what he did for work. Reporters had questioned the source of more than $700,000 he initially claimed to have loaned his campaign.

    Besides being responsible for keeping Santos' campaign books and handling his regulatory filings, Marks had unusual business ties to Santos, according to public records.

    In 2021, she was listed as being a member of a political consulting firm incorporated in Florida, whose other members included Santos' company and people who had formerly been affiliated with an investment company that had been shut down by the Securities and Exchange Commission over allegations that it was a Ponzi scheme.

    When Santos was indicted, Marks wasn't mentioned by name in court filings. But the indictment described an unnamed political consultant who it said had helped dupe donors who gave money that they thought was going to the campaign but was instead siphoned off for Santos' personal use.

    Marks is the second person besides Santos to face charges in connection with the campaign. In August, a former Santos fundraiser, Sam Miele, was indicted on federal charges that he impersonated the then-chief of staff to GOP Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California, who at the time was the House minority leader.

    Miele pleaded not guilty. His attorney, Kevin Marino, had predicted that his client would be exonerated at trial.


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  • static111
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    Has the GOP fixed the mess that was wholly their own creation in the house yet?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    Has the GOP fixed the mess that was wholly their own creation in the house yet?
    They’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a house speaker next Wednesday. It’s a long weekend and they had to go home to explain to their constituents how it’s all Brandon’s fault. They may have their first vote next Wednesday because you know, going leaderless is what they do.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,244
    mickeyrat said:

    welll..........


















    bye.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,244
    seriously. does he want people to beg him to stay?

    the dems hate him and can't trust him, and his own party voted him out.

    i'd quit too.

    imagine having to show up to work a couple of days a week and less than 2/3rds of a year and have to look those people in the eye.
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  • mickeyrat
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    I trust Goldman...
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