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I know what you are saying. But he can't be trusted. and he's compromised. that's it.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Your opinion is fine. But it was the magats that did this. Dems didn't file the motion to remove him.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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You can't prop up a speaker whose word is worth nothing. Full stop. The Ds can't make deals with him which is required. So there is no reason to save him.tempo_n_groove said:The Juggler said:
Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern.Gern Blansten said:
yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take ittempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.mrussel1 said:
Whatever dude. That's absurd. D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal? After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward? After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)? After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth? Give me a break. In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
I expected this so, hear me out. If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.static111 said:
I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one. Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves. There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals. This is literally all on the GOP. It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point. They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted. (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated. Something you also knew was going to happen. (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month. Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?
I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'. Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month. It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.
This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.
Ok let's hear it.
So either the GOP will come together with a unified pick for Speaker and act like a real party, or they will have to negotiate for a Speaker using D votes. If the latter, then the Ds are in at least the same position. Either they get a Speaker they trust, or they don't. As of yesterday, they didn't trust the a speaker. So you have to let him die.
And there's some irony that his Speakership aborted in the ninth month.0 -
Tempo....your primary mistake is assuming McCarthy and maga operates in good faith. Time and time again they have shown that not to be the case. Mrussell outlines that perfectly above. It is not complicated.
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Yep. The Banana Republican Party is a shell of its former self.The Juggler said:Kevn McCarthy is not an honorable man. Maga is not an honorable party. This chaos has been years in the making. Their mess is not the Democrats responsibility to clean up. They own all of it.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
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This shit, started by the repubs, goes at least as far back as Moscow Mitchy Baby, with his, “our number one priority is to see this administration fail,” if not as far back as Newt the Beaut and his “no compromise,” and dare I say, Ronny Rayguns and his, “government is not the solution, government is the problem.” 40 years of this crap has gotten us where we are. Repubs own it, lock, stock and barrel. They’re not interested in governing, evidenced by their blind loyalty to their cult leader, POOTWH.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Ninth month Russ? Gets my vote for comment of the day.0
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Minority LEADER Hakeem Jeffries’s justification. I suggest everyone read it.
Let them clean up their mess. Chomp, chomp, womp, womp.Dear Colleague:
Earlier today, we convened as a Caucus to discuss the current state of affairs in the House of Representatives. Emerging from the meeting, we are unified in our commitment to put people over politics, continue to build a healthy economy and make life more affordable for everyday Americans.
The House was designed by our nation’s framers to be the closest to the American people and reflect the hopes, dreams and aspirations of those we are privileged to represent. Instead, under the Republican majority, the House has been restructured to empower right-wing extremists, kowtow to their harsh demands and impose a rigid partisan ideology. The Constitution gifted us a government of the people, by the people and for the people. House Republicans have undermined that principle at every turn and unleashed chaos, dysfunction and extremism on hardworking American taxpayers.
First, the House was plunged into unprecedented dysfunction in connection with the leadership election during the first week of January. Instead of partnering with Democrats to break the deadlock, the House Republican Conference adopted an unprecedented package of rules governing this institution designed to detonate bipartisan governance. Right-wing Republicans with an extensive track record of obstructing the people’s business were appointed to the powerful Rules Committee, effectively giving them a veto over bipartisan legislative efforts. Every single House Republican, including those who present themselves as more traditional, voted to support the extreme rules package.
Second, in prior Congresses the Motion to Vacate the Chair could only be brought by the Majority Leader or the Minority Leader, upon direction from members of the body. Instead of preserving the motion to vacate as an extraordinary vehicle to be used rarely, if ever, House Republicans willingly transformed it into an instrument that could be deployed by any extreme member of their conference at any time. Once again, the House Republican Conference in its entirety empowered the MAGA extremists to paralyze the institution.
Third, from the very beginning of the 118th Congress, House Democrats have made it clear that we will find common ground with our Republican colleagues wherever possible. We have done so repeatedly on behalf of the American people. At the same time, House Democrats have made clear that we will forcefully combat extremism whenever necessary.
Democrats came together in a bipartisan way to avert a catastrophic Republican-driven default on our debt that would have crashed the economy. Rather than celebrate and affirm this major bipartisan achievement, extreme MAGA Republicans immediately turned against it. House Republicans backed out of the agreement with President Biden that they themselves negotiated just days after its passage, hurdling us toward this chaotic moment.
Fourth, the Armed Services Committee this summer worked hard to advance a strongly bipartisan National Defense Authorization Act to the House Floor. The bill emerged from committee by a vote of 58-1. Instead of supporting our military readiness and embracing this bipartisan legislative effort, Republicans hijacked the National Defense Authorization Act and turned the bill into a right-wing wish list full of highly partisan poison pills. The House Republican decision to jam their extreme right-wing ideology down the throats of the American people included radical provisions to rip away reproductive freedom from military women. This type of extreme governance is unacceptable.
Fifth, after claiming that an impeachment inquiry would be initiated only through a vote on the floor of the people’s House and not through a declaration by one person, House Republicans did the opposite. Extreme MAGA Republicans are wasting time and taxpayer dollars peddling an illegitimate impeachment inquiry despite their own witnesses testifying under oath that there is no evidence that President Joe Biden engaged in any wrongdoing. Rather than work with us to solve problems for everyday Americans, extremism continues to run rampant in the House of Representatives.
We confront a serious, solemn and sober moment. The vote that the House will cast this week in connection with a Motion to Vacate the Chair is not about any one individual. Our responsibility as Members of Congress relates to the Constitution, the principle of good governance and the people we are privileged to serve. Nothing more, and nothing less.
In that regard, House Democrats remain willing to find common ground on an enlightened path forward. Unfortunately, our extreme Republican colleagues have shown no willingness to do the same. It is now the responsibility of the GOP members to end the House Republican Civil War. Given their unwillingness to break from MAGA extremism in an authentic and comprehensive manner, House Democratic leadership will vote yes on the pending Republican Motion to Vacate the Chair.Sincerely,
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They voted the speaker out to put the flames to the GOP. That is exactly what I meant when I said you CAN'T say 'you started this' yet this is exactly what you're claiming.mrussel1 said:
You can't prop up a speaker whose word is worth nothing. Full stop. The Ds can't make deals with him which is required. So there is no reason to save him.tempo_n_groove said:The Juggler said:
Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern.Gern Blansten said:
yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take ittempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.mrussel1 said:
Whatever dude. That's absurd. D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal? After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward? After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)? After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth? Give me a break. In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
I expected this so, hear me out. If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.static111 said:
I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one. Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves. There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals. This is literally all on the GOP. It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point. They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted. (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated. Something you also knew was going to happen. (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month. Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?
I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'. Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month. It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.
This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.
Ok let's hear it.
So either the GOP will come together with a unified pick for Speaker and act like a real party, or they will have to negotiate for a Speaker using D votes. If the latter, then the Ds are in at least the same position. Either they get a Speaker they trust, or they don't. As of yesterday, they didn't trust the a speaker. So you have to let him die.
And there's some irony that his Speakership aborted in the ninth month.
When stupid shit like this happens I say vote the incumbents out. All of them.0 -
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they didn't bring the vote. gaetz did. they merely followed suit because, as has been pointed out, he can't be trusted, and can't be worked with on a level playing field. they were right to vote him out and hope for someone who isn't strong armed by the extreme wing of the R party.tempo_n_groove said:
They voted the speaker out to put the flames to the GOP. That is exactly what I meant when I said you CAN'T say 'you started this' yet this is exactly what you're claiming.mrussel1 said:
You can't prop up a speaker whose word is worth nothing. Full stop. The Ds can't make deals with him which is required. So there is no reason to save him.tempo_n_groove said:The Juggler said:
Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern.Gern Blansten said:
yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take ittempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.mrussel1 said:
Whatever dude. That's absurd. D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal? After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward? After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)? After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth? Give me a break. In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
I expected this so, hear me out. If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.static111 said:
I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one. Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves. There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals. This is literally all on the GOP. It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point. They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted. (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated. Something you also knew was going to happen. (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month. Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?
I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'. Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month. It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.
This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.
Ok let's hear it.
So either the GOP will come together with a unified pick for Speaker and act like a real party, or they will have to negotiate for a Speaker using D votes. If the latter, then the Ds are in at least the same position. Either they get a Speaker they trust, or they don't. As of yesterday, they didn't trust the a speaker. So you have to let him die.
And there's some irony that his Speakership aborted in the ninth month.
When stupid shit like this happens I say vote the incumbents out. All of them.
this was a gift to the D's. not something they asked for.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Exactly.HughFreakingDillon said:
they didn't bring the vote. gaetz did. they merely followed suit because, as has been pointed out, he can't be trusted, and can't be worked with on a level playing field. they were right to vote him out and hope for someone who isn't strong armed by the extreme wing of the R party.tempo_n_groove said:
They voted the speaker out to put the flames to the GOP. That is exactly what I meant when I said you CAN'T say 'you started this' yet this is exactly what you're claiming.mrussel1 said:
You can't prop up a speaker whose word is worth nothing. Full stop. The Ds can't make deals with him which is required. So there is no reason to save him.tempo_n_groove said:The Juggler said:
Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern.Gern Blansten said:
yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take ittempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.mrussel1 said:
Whatever dude. That's absurd. D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal? After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward? After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)? After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth? Give me a break. In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
I expected this so, hear me out. If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.static111 said:
I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one. Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves. There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals. This is literally all on the GOP. It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point. They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted. (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated. Something you also knew was going to happen. (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month. Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?
I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'. Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month. It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.
This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.
Ok let's hear it.
So either the GOP will come together with a unified pick for Speaker and act like a real party, or they will have to negotiate for a Speaker using D votes. If the latter, then the Ds are in at least the same position. Either they get a Speaker they trust, or they don't. As of yesterday, they didn't trust the a speaker. So you have to let him die.
And there's some irony that his Speakership aborted in the ninth month.
When stupid shit like this happens I say vote the incumbents out. All of them.
this was a gift to the D's. not something they asked for.
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They voted against McCarthy like they did for 15 rounds nine months ago. Why would you expect the minority to vote for the GOP speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
They voted the speaker out to put the flames to the GOP. That is exactly what I meant when I said you CAN'T say 'you started this' yet this is exactly what you're claiming.mrussel1 said:
You can't prop up a speaker whose word is worth nothing. Full stop. The Ds can't make deals with him which is required. So there is no reason to save him.tempo_n_groove said:The Juggler said:
Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern.Gern Blansten said:
yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take ittempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.mrussel1 said:
Whatever dude. That's absurd. D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal? After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward? After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)? After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth? Give me a break. In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
I expected this so, hear me out. If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.static111 said:
I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one. Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves. There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals. This is literally all on the GOP. It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point. They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted. (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated. Something you also knew was going to happen. (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month. Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?
I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'. Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month. It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.
This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.
Ok let's hear it.
So either the GOP will come together with a unified pick for Speaker and act like a real party, or they will have to negotiate for a Speaker using D votes. If the latter, then the Ds are in at least the same position. Either they get a Speaker they trust, or they don't. As of yesterday, they didn't trust the a speaker. So you have to let him die.
And there's some irony that his Speakership aborted in the ninth month.
When stupid shit like this happens I say vote the incumbents out. All of them.
Oh and btw, the rule to allow ONE member to bring up the motion to vacate was the GOP rule. Nancy didn't allow it because... you know.. she was a strong Speaker.0 -
Concerning to see there are reasonable people even on this forum who are both sides-ing the house issue. That means a significant number of R's actually believe this shit is just as much D's fault. That's crazy. And yet, some of these same people denounce bipartisan bills and legislation. One day it's, don't cross the aisle to those radical dems!!! The next it's, well the democrats could have fixed the issue we created, but they didn't support our propped up lame duck speaker. Booooo! Booooo!It's a hopeless situation...0
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mccarthy could not control the 6 fucking crazies in his party. that is the end of the story. he could not control gaetz and his fellow maga cretins. mccarthy told his own caucus one thing, and told the dems the opposite, and could not walk the line like pelosi did.
mccarthy worked with the dems and then backed out of a deal that was in place for months. then he blamed the dems on multiple occasions for things that were not their fault.
if i were a dem congressman and mccarthy asked me to help him, i would have told him to go piss up a rope too."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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tempo_n_groove said:
They voted the speaker out to put the flames to the GOP. That is exactly what I meant when I said you CAN'T say 'you started this' yet this is exactly what you're claiming.mrussel1 said:
You can't prop up a speaker whose word is worth nothing. Full stop. The Ds can't make deals with him which is required. So there is no reason to save him.tempo_n_groove said:The Juggler said:
Wait...what? "The dems don't get a free pass"? Are you kidding? Maga brought this upon themselves. They are the majority. McCarthy is not someone that can be trusted. They'd be foolish to help him after all he's done this year. I don't think it is fair to even insinuate the democrats played a role in this dumpster fire clown show.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
And now these idiots are taking a week off?! With another shutdown looming in 40 days or so? Further proof that maga does not know how to govern.Gern Blansten said:
yep...unpredictable as usual. Whatever the stupidest course is the magats will take ittempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.mrussel1 said:
Whatever dude. That's absurd. D's are supposed to swoop in and save him, after he reneged on the debt deal? After he allowed this stupid impeachment to go forward? After his first petty act as Speaker was to remove Schiff from the Intelligence Committee (where he was previously chair)? After he goes on tv on Sat/Sun and blamed D's for the impeding shutdown AFTER they saved him by voting for a bill he put forth? Give me a break. In what world is the opposing party supposed to prop up your Speaker?tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
I expected this so, hear me out. If you still disagree I'll listen to the points.static111 said:
I agree with a lot of your takes but not this one. Those idiots and Kevin brought this on theirselves. There was a negotiated agreement with Dems and Biden that he went back on, a meritless impeachment inquiry, and with all that it wasn't far right enough for the radicals. This is literally all on the GOP. It isn't on the Dems to save them at this point. They have went back on their word too many times and the dems and the country have nothing to gain by making another good faith compromise with the bad faith GOP.tempo_n_groove said:
Where there smoke there's fire huh?Gern Blansten said:
smoke...the GOP can't elect a speaker without dems so they're stucktempo_n_groove said:So McCarthy is gone soon right or Gaetz is blowing smoke?
I figured he would be gone.
Dems don't get a free pass on this one. They wanted the chaos too apparently.
OK, (1)We knew that McCarthy was going to try and be ousted. (2)He is. (3) Now that he is ousted the whole govt is held hostage pretty much with that spot being vacated. Something you also knew was going to happen. (4)Next possible shutdown is November, next month. Why would you let the congress be in limbo when it took so long for McCarthy to even get voted in?
I get the GOP put themselves there, but being the dems you don't watch it burn or help it burn for that matter and say 'you started this'. Make it work like they did with this last midnight deal they did to keep us open for a lousy month. It's a game of chicken that affects our well being.
This is a shitty game of politics that both, yeah both sides, same same, are doing right now which is why they don't get a pass from me.
Ok let's hear it.
So either the GOP will come together with a unified pick for Speaker and act like a real party, or they will have to negotiate for a Speaker using D votes. If the latter, then the Ds are in at least the same position. Either they get a Speaker they trust, or they don't. As of yesterday, they didn't trust the a speaker. So you have to let him die.
And there's some irony that his Speakership aborted in the ninth month.
When stupid shit like this happens I say vote the incumbents out. All of them.Yeah blame both sides for the Republican extremist insanity. Makes perfect sense.0
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