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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 

    of course he meant the House
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 

    of course he meant the House
    Then don't say "congress". That word means both chambers. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 

    of course he meant the House
    Then don't say "congress". That word means both chambers. 
    Don’t be literal. C’mon, man!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 

    of course he meant the House
    Then don't say "congress". That word means both chambers. 

    Yet Senators are called Senators and Representatives are called Congressmen(or woman as the case may be)
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
    so resign and go home to spend that time with your kids and your grandkud at 36 yrs old....

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 

    of course he meant the House
    Then don't say "congress". That word means both chambers. 

    Yet Senators are called Senators and Representatives are called Congressmen(or woman as the case may be)
    I'm not sure why you're defending the language of the representative who doesn't know that Congress has two chambers. Unless he thinks there are 100 representatives with less power than him. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    "I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress......"
    Actually 535th. Every senator is more powerful 

    of course he meant the House
    Then don't say "congress". That word means both chambers. 

    Yet Senators are called Senators and Representatives are called Congressmen(or woman as the case may be)
    I'm not sure why you're defending the language of the representative who doesn't know that Congress has two chambers. Unless he thinks there are 100 representatives with less power than him. 

    defending? sharing an observation.

    I say call your congressman(woman)  to get to the bottom of this egregousness.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    I would be interested in seeing how some of our Trump supporters here feel about this and if they could possibly defend him on this:

    Pete Buttigieg condemns Trump’s reported remarks about wounded veteran

    Ex-president reportedly told Gen Mark Milley in 2019 that severely wounded soldier should be banned from public appearances

    Pete Buttigieg, the US transport secretary and a military veteran, has criticized Donald Trump after a report that he sought to bar a severely wounded veteran from public appearances during his presidency.

    In an interview with the Atlantic, Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said Trump had been irritated after Luis Avila – who lost a leg and suffered brain damage after an IED attack in Afghanistan – sang at Milley’s 2019 welcome ceremony.

    “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded,” Milley said Trump told him after the ceremony.

    Milley told the Atlantic that Trump said Avila should never appear in public again.

    On Sunday, Buttigieg – who was a lieutenant in the US navy reserve and served a tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2014 – told CNN that Trump’s alleged order was “just the latest in a pattern of outrageous attacks [by Trump] on people who keep this country safe”.

    Military members wounded in combat, Buttigieg said, “deserve respect and a hell of a lot more than that from every American, and definitely from every American president”.

    Buttigieg also said: “The idea that an American president, the person to whom service members look as a commander in chief, the person who sets the tone for this entire country, could think that way or act that way or talk that way about anyone in uniform, and certainly about those who put their bodies on the line and sacrificed in ways that most Americans will never understand … I guess wounded veterans make president Trump feel uncomfortable.”

    Trump has a previously attacked members of the military. In 2020, the Atlantic reported that Trump had said the Aisne-Marne American cemetery – where more than 2,000 American military members who died in France are buried – was “filled with suckers”.

    The Atlantic reported that Trump had also said the more than 1,800 marines who died at Belleau Wood, the site of a key battle in the first world war, were “suckers” for getting killed.





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  • brianlux said:
    I would be interested in seeing how some of our Trump supporters here feel about this and if they could possibly defend him on this:

    Pete Buttigieg condemns Trump’s reported remarks about wounded veteran

    Ex-president reportedly told Gen Mark Milley in 2019 that severely wounded soldier should be banned from public appearances

    Pete Buttigieg, the US transport secretary and a military veteran, has criticized Donald Trump after a report that he sought to bar a severely wounded veteran from public appearances during his presidency.

    In an interview with the Atlantic, Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said Trump had been irritated after Luis Avila – who lost a leg and suffered brain damage after an IED attack in Afghanistan – sang at Milley’s 2019 welcome ceremony.

    “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded,” Milley said Trump told him after the ceremony.

    Milley told the Atlantic that Trump said Avila should never appear in public again.

    On Sunday, Buttigieg – who was a lieutenant in the US navy reserve and served a tour of duty in Afghanistan in 2014 – told CNN that Trump’s alleged order was “just the latest in a pattern of outrageous attacks [by Trump] on people who keep this country safe”.

    Military members wounded in combat, Buttigieg said, “deserve respect and a hell of a lot more than that from every American, and definitely from every American president”.

    Buttigieg also said: “The idea that an American president, the person to whom service members look as a commander in chief, the person who sets the tone for this entire country, could think that way or act that way or talk that way about anyone in uniform, and certainly about those who put their bodies on the line and sacrificed in ways that most Americans will never understand … I guess wounded veterans make president Trump feel uncomfortable.”

    Trump has a previously attacked members of the military. In 2020, the Atlantic reported that Trump had said the Aisne-Marne American cemetery – where more than 2,000 American military members who died in France are buried – was “filled with suckers”.

    The Atlantic reported that Trump had also said the more than 1,800 marines who died at Belleau Wood, the site of a key battle in the first world war, were “suckers” for getting killed.





    “Rotten brains” and a political cartoon post, probably. Of Hunter and his laptop, definitely.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    so resign and go home to spend that time with your kids and your grandkud at 36 yrs old....

    what are her results besides:

    giving a tour in the days before 1/6
    livetweeting pelosi's location during 1/6
    barely winning re-election
    getting divorced 
    getting caught delivering a handy while vaping at an all ages play

    has she really done anything to speak of? anything to put on a CV? i mean besides just getting elected?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
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  • I do know what a confirmation hearing entails. However, I took Merkin's post to mean the "both sidesing" of stuffing bills, because I've personally never come across a "both sidesing" of confirmation hearings. I think it was a simple case of crossed wires. 
    No crossed wires at all... People jump to the defense of the GOP in the face of bad behavior / decisions / votes by crying 'both sides' on a regular basis, and I was genuinely curious if someone who thinks both sides are the same wanted to explain the 'no' votes on this confirmation hearing. 
    Aaaaaand this is what I mean if you all think somebody on here is going against dems or for the rep you just eat them alive.

    All I was doing is sticking up for Hugh but because you THOUGHT I was defending the GOP the questions come...

    If somebody has to be defensive then yes, it looks like an attack I'd say.  Again, going against the grain here doesn't go well.
    Defensive? How about “clarifying?” Which occurred. How about this, try making your point as clear as possible before you, you in the general sense, post it? Some of us are really stupid, talking about me, and HFC’s post was in the context of a confirmation vote and not an appropriations vote. The clarification they subsequently made was referring to posts a page or further back. Adding context to a post is not an “attack.” Maybe to you it is? Because the OP feels “defensive.”

    Going against the grain here is fine but be prepared to be challenged on your assumptions and to back up your argument or assumptions. It gets hot in the kitchen and if you can’t stand the heat………… 
    What am I being challenged about?  I made a statement.  I add context but you still attack it.  See how that works?  It doesn't.  You're always right.  That's all.  You get called out on stuff al the time and never so you're wrong.  You must be Mr Right!
    You’re not, in this instance. You claimed another poster was being “attacked.” 

    It’s true, I get called out all the time and I defend my position(s). I don’t take it as an “attack.” I take it as rigorous debate. 
    I'll call  it a pile on.  It's not a debate when one side doesn't yield or have the ability to even bend.  You're an oak not a palm.
    You’re not a window but a pane. See? Should I girder myself for another football analogy? You’re fumbling so far.
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  • So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
  • mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,603
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


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  • mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


    So we are to believe from a tweet that Ukraine has decimated the Russian military by 50%?

    If that is true then I am all for it.
  • mickeyrat said:
    I keep seeing you post about this guy.  Does he just say whatever he wants and people take him seriously or is he more for show?
  • mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So I just read about the shutdown looming.

    The republican's are split about the budget and if the Speaker gets any help from the dems he will be fired and if he doesn't get the repubs to agree we get a shut down.

    So it's worse to get a bipartisan agreement than a government shutdown?

    Wow.
    Yeah, if he gets D help, then they will call for a speaker vote, which any one member can do under this Congress's rules (McCarthy had to sign up for that one as further evidence he has no sac).  But then he would only remain speaker if enough D's defect to him to support him.  But there's ZERO chance of that after all the nonsense impeachment, investigations, etc.  He has alienated both sides dramatically.  He has no wiggle room. 
    it only took him 15 votes and a lot of begging/dealmaking for him to get the job. nope, i could not have seen this coming, haha.

    frankly, i am surprised he has lasted this long as speaker.
    He is the weakest speaker in memory.  No juice whatsoever.  
    He thought it was a good career move and wanted this badly.  Don't think it's going to do what he thought it would...

    Great look for the party right now and the followers don't care.
    OK so I looked into this more.

    McCarthy made some pretty big offerings to get this job and he isn't living up to them I guess.

    Also parts of the conservatives don't want to just give money to Ukraine without accountability and do it in smaller parts, something I believe Biden had agreed to.

    So in a nutshell they believe spending all this money without justification is big enough to shut down the government.


    So we are to believe from a tweet that Ukraine has decimated the Russian military by 50%?

    If that is true then I am all for it.
    I'm all for it just so Putin doesn't eventually take any sovereign nation that he wants. 
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