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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    You agree that he should be pardoned?  
    I'm not for sure yet.  I'm saying it's a worthwhile idea to explore.  The questions I ask myself are:

    1. Is there another person likely to do THIS in the future, therefore we have to send a clear message (like the rioters)?  The answer is no, in my opinion on that one. 
    2. Is Trump likely to serve a day in prison? No
    3. Is this trial likely to be completed before the election of 2020?  No.  
    4. Will Trump drop out because of this? No.  I think it's the reason he is in, so he can use it as a weapon.  I think the victim angle is his best weapon.  

    Now I'm not talking about J6 or GA at this point, I am only speaking of this federal indictment.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,347
    It's a good article...I guess I can see his angle.
    He does bring up some great points in it. and I genuinely don't know what should be done. 

    I have my doubts that he'll get convicted, but OTOH, had Nixon not been pardoned, maybe we wouldn't be here today. 

    What a cluster f this whole thing is. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,408
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    You agree that he should be pardoned?  
    I'm not for sure yet.  I'm saying it's a worthwhile idea to explore.  The questions I ask myself are:

    1. Is there another person likely to do THIS in the future, therefore we have to send a clear message (like the rioters)?  The answer is no, in my opinion on that one. 
    2. Is Trump likely to serve a day in prison? No
    3. Is this trial likely to be completed before the election of 2020?  No.  
    4. Will Trump drop out because of this? No.  I think it's the reason he is in, so he can use it as a weapon.  I think the victim angle is his best weapon.  

    Now I'm not talking about J6 or GA at this point, I am only speaking of this federal indictment.  

    #3 is good to go.......
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,408
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    You agree that he should be pardoned?  
    I'm not for sure yet.  I'm saying it's a worthwhile idea to explore.  The questions I ask myself are:

    1. Is there another person likely to do THIS in the future, therefore we have to send a clear message (like the rioters)?  The answer is no, in my opinion on that one. 
    2. Is Trump likely to serve a day in prison? No
    3. Is this trial likely to be completed before the election of 2020?  No.  
    4. Will Trump drop out because of this? No.  I think it's the reason he is in, so he can use it as a weapon.  I think the victim angle is his best weapon.  

    Now I'm not talking about J6 or GA at this point, I am only speaking of this federal indictment.  

    #3 is good to go.......
    I'm into time travel. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,347
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    You agree that he should be pardoned?  
    I'm not for sure yet.  I'm saying it's a worthwhile idea to explore.  The questions I ask myself are:

    1. Is there another person likely to do THIS in the future, therefore we have to send a clear message (like the rioters)?  The answer is no, in my opinion on that one. 
    2. Is Trump likely to serve a day in prison? No
    3. Is this trial likely to be completed before the election of 2020?  No.  
    4. Will Trump drop out because of this? No.  I think it's the reason he is in, so he can use it as a weapon.  I think the victim angle is his best weapon.  

    Now I'm not talking about J6 or GA at this point, I am only speaking of this federal indictment.  
    I don't disagree with your points. 

    RE# 3, I think Smith has stated he's pushing for a quick trial. trump will try to delay though, and will absolutely play the victim card. 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,408
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,408
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,284
    absolutely no fucking pardon for trump. we did not learn from pardoning nixon and things are way more divided today than they were during ford's presidency.

    the man is the most criminal politician in american history and if convicted must be made an example of. his criminality must not stand. ever.

    pardoning trump would be an endorsement of his behavior.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,284
    if trump were president would he ever consider pardoning any democratic former president?

    if you believe that mr art of the deal would do that, i have 4 bridges to sell you.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,347
    absolutely no fucking pardon for trump. we did not learn from pardoning nixon and things are way more divided today than they were during ford's presidency.

    the man is the most criminal politician in american history and if convicted must be made an example of. his criminality must not stand. ever.

    pardoning trump would be an endorsement of his behavior.
    I'm with you in a lot of ways, but the op-ed isn't completely baseless. I have issues w/ some of what Thiessen said, like calling the trump / Russia connection a conspiracy, but it does raise some very good points. 

    It seems like the indictment over the documents is a slam dunk, but I'm still skeptical they'll get 12 people in South Florida who will convict him and if he walks, it will only bolster his 2024 bid. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,811
    I would agree to a pardon if he would agree to never run for office again
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
    I would agree to a pardon if he would agree to never run for office again
    the problem with this arrangement is that it would confirm in the right wing's eyes that the indictment was political to start.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,835
    That POS needs to serve the minimum sentence handed down after being convicted in a fair trial or pardoned by a repub POTUS, whichever is longest. No mercy for that scum. None. Zero. Zilch. Fuck him and his base.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,835
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

    Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

    Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,347
    mrussel1 said:
    I would agree to a pardon if he would agree to never run for office again
    the problem with this arrangement is that it would confirm in the right wing's eyes that the indictment was political to start.  
    This is the problem... in this scenario we're discussing, we're catering to people who are untethered from reality and / or bad faith actors. 

    I understand the logic behind it, but historically, things like this don't pan out well for our country. 

    If he gets indicted in the Fulton County case, and / or January 6, I'll be fully on board w/ a pardon for the documents.  
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,811
    mrussel1 said:
    I would agree to a pardon if he would agree to never run for office again
    the problem with this arrangement is that it would confirm in the right wing's eyes that the indictment was political to start.  
    I guess I meant more of a "yes I took the docs, hid them, regret that, and because I can't be trusted anymore I agree to not run for office again"

    of course that will never happen
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,811
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

    Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

    Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.
    sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

    What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,334
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

    Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

    Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.
    Yeah screw the pardon I say let cards fall where they fall! Trumpolinni has shown time & time again that he doesn’t give a hoot about law & order when it pertains to him! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,408
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

    Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

    Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.
    sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

    What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  

    RULE OF LAW. PERIOD.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,347
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. 
    I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but what you're suggesting here just isn't happening. 

    Romney hit the nail on the head when he said in the wake of 1/6 that the best thing people can do moving forward is tell the truth, but that ain't happening either. 

    I loathe the idea of catering to this legion of fuckwads, but there's no good path forward here... we're fucked one way or the other. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

    Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

    Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.
    sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

    What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  

    RULE OF LAW. PERIOD.
    I wish the world was that simple. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,835
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

    https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4
    So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

    Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

    Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.
    sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

    What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  
    Then it is up to the repub voters to turn their backs on and repudiate POOTWH. Until that happens, no pardon, no bail out, no reaching across the aisle. And this is what happens time and time again, dems play nice, do the right thing and then get it stuffed up our asses twice as hard the next time around.

    Remind me again how many times Hillary has been indicted. This is what I’m talking about. When the other side can act and behave like adults, they can be treated as thus. Until they own the BS of 1/20/2017 through 1/20/2021, they can be responsible for where this country ends up.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,022
    mickeyrat said:
    Suburban legend? Did he rule the mean streets of Evanston? 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,334
    So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
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    So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.
    Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

    Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,334
    mrussel1 said:
    So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.
    Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

    Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,334
    mrussel1 said:
    So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.
    Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

    Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

    But you are also assuming that the Senate would make the deal! And what kind of deal are you talking about for me it has to include that he can’t ever run for any political office again including 24
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,557
    mrussel1 said:
    So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.
    Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

    Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

    But you are also assuming that the Senate would make the deal! And what kind of deal are you talking about for me it has to include that he can’t ever run for any political office again including 24
    I mean a deal to hold a mature, adult oversight hearing.  Not some circus in the House.  

    I don't mean a deal that he never runs again.  Like I said earlier, even floating that will feed the belief that the whole indictment was to get him out of the race.  
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