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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    thank god I live in canada where my daughter's autoimmune therapy, which costs $5,000 every six weeks, is covered. I don't have to worry about people not wanting to help out. 
    For thread integrity, I wonder what/who is preventing us from obtaining a similar kind of healthcare system down here...
    You tell me. Why didn't Obama go that route when he had his chance?

  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited April 2022
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    thank god I live in canada where my daughter's autoimmune therapy, which costs $5,000 every six weeks, is covered. I don't have to worry about people not wanting to help out. 
    For thread integrity, I wonder what/who is preventing us from obtaining a similar kind of healthcare system down here...
    You tell me. Why didn't Obama go that route when he had his chance?

    Um, that certainly would've helped to achieve McConnell's 2010 midterm goal: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    thank god I live in canada where my daughter's autoimmune therapy, which costs $5,000 every six weeks, is covered. I don't have to worry about people not wanting to help out. 
    For thread integrity, I wonder what/who is preventing us from obtaining a similar kind of healthcare system down here...
    You tell me. Why didn't Obama go that route when he had his chance?

    Baby steps. obamacare was the first step. no way he could have accomplished a complete overhaul from for-profit to "communist" healthcare. the american people would have overwhelmingly rejected it. 
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  • JB16057
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    you don't usually need insulin for type 2. you need it for type 1, which is not caused by obesity. it's autoimmune. and without out it, people die. and with it, some people go bankrupt. 
    Ok. Let's breakdown those numbers. Approx. 1.6 million have Diabetes 1 in the US. All need insulin.

    There are 37 million that have Diabetes 2. About 30% of those need insulin which equates to 11 million needing insulin.

    There are way more Diabetes 2 patients that need insulin and most of them did it to themselves.

    I have no issue helping out the 1.6 million that don't have a choice or opportunity. If there was a fair way to help out everyone with diabetes, I wouldn't mind. The concerns from the GOP on this bill is that will unfairly and unevenly effect the heath insurance system as it currently stands. For me, I have a small business so I have to purchase my own health insurance. I only have 1 company to purchase from. I've had insurance my whole life and knock on wood, have never had to use it. I have to pay a higher premium every year already. Like I said, let's make a fair and even approach to this and I'll accept but this isn't it.

    Here are 2 more valid concerns:

    "Other critics of the legislation point out that the Affordable Insulin Act has some loopholes, namely that it wouldn’t include the coverage of the 28 million people in the US who don’t have health insurance.

    It also doesn’t address the major issue of the US pharmaceutical companies price gouging the overall price of the lifesaving drug, and instead shifts that burden onto a person’s insurers and employers."

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited April 2022
    dankind said:
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    thank god I live in canada where my daughter's autoimmune therapy, which costs $5,000 every six weeks, is covered. I don't have to worry about people not wanting to help out. 
    For thread integrity, I wonder what/who is preventing us from obtaining a similar kind of healthcare system down here...
    You tell me. Why didn't Obama go that route when he had his chance?

    Um, that certainly would've helped to achieve McConnell's 2010 midterm goal: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
    hahahaha

    He essentially said the same thing last year about Biden. But sure, they want to accomplish things in a bipartisan fashion!
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mcconnell-says-100-of-his-focus-is-on-blocking-biden-agenda-11620257305?mod=article_inline

    Good grief.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,849
    edited April 2022
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    you don't usually need insulin for type 2. you need it for type 1, which is not caused by obesity. it's autoimmune. and without out it, people die. and with it, some people go bankrupt. 
    Ok. Let's breakdown those numbers. Approx. 1.6 million have Diabetes 1 in the US. All need insulin.

    There are 37 million that have Diabetes 2. About 30% of those need insulin which equates to 11 million needing insulin.

    There are way more Diabetes 2 patients that need insulin and most of them did it to themselves.

    I have no issue helping out the 1.6 million that don't have a choice or opportunity. If there was a fair way to help out everyone with diabetes, I wouldn't mind. The concerns from the GOP on this bill is that will unfairly and unevenly effect the heath insurance system as it currently stands. For me, I have a small business so I have to purchase my own health insurance. I only have 1 company to purchase from. I've had insurance my whole life and knock on wood, have never had to use it. I have to pay a higher premium every year already. Like I said, let's make a fair and even approach to this and I'll accept but this isn't it.

    Here are 2 more valid concerns:

    "Other critics of the legislation point out that the Affordable Insulin Act has some loopholes, namely that it wouldn’t include the coverage of the 28 million people in the US who don’t have health insurance.

    It also doesn’t address the major issue of the US pharmaceutical companies price gouging the overall price of the lifesaving drug, and instead shifts that burden onto a person’s insurers and employers."

    but you also can't put a number of how many of those with type 2 "did it to themselves". if you can, I'd love to see those numbers, but I don't see how you can. 

    there are also innumerable other things that humans do to themselves that negatively affect their health, and lots of those are covered. And what I'm uncomfortable with, is saying "you ate mcdonald's, fuck your life saving heart surgery". I understand the sentiment and frustration, but shouldn't we be a compassionate society and say "ok, you fucked up, but we're not going to let you die or go bankrupt because you made poor decisions"? People overeat/drink/smoke/etc for a multitude of reasons. and it's not always a simple "choice". mental illness, depression, demographics, upbringing, education. a lot of it has to do with privilege. so what you are essentially saying is, "we held you down, and now that the effects of holding you down have made you unhealthy, we're going to blame you for that too". 

    I'm not going to sit here and say from my high tower that smokers shouldn't get cancer treatment. I'm not evil. 

    I agree that big pharma is a big problem. but how does the government justify regulating a private industry? wouldn't republicans cry overreach? the american dream? the freedom of capitalism?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,849
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    that's awesome. but yeah.....no chance.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,641
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    It's crazy. The GOP is generally smarter than the Dems when it comes to grabbing power. And their goal is one-party autocracy. Being all-in on legalization seems like a no-brainer. It's overwhelmingly supported, leans libertarian, and is one of very few issues on which the Dems have a clear advantage. And for any old-timey conservatives that don't like it? Well, they'll be just like the Dems on that issue and they'll still be for nationalized religion, not saying "gay," and defeating woke culture...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,849
    OnWis97 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    It's crazy. The GOP is generally smarter than the Dems when it comes to grabbing power. And their goal is one-party autocracy. Being all-in on legalization seems like a no-brainer. It's overwhelmingly supported, leans libertarian, and is one of very few issues on which the Dems have a clear advantage. And for any old-timey conservatives that don't like it? Well, they'll be just like the Dems on that issue and they'll still be for nationalized religion, not saying "gay," and defeating woke culture...
    But wouldn't those R's that vote yes on it risking donations from their hard right supporters on this?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited April 2022
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    you don't usually need insulin for type 2. you need it for type 1, which is not caused by obesity. it's autoimmune. and without out it, people die. and with it, some people go bankrupt. 
    Ok. Let's breakdown those numbers. Approx. 1.6 million have Diabetes 1 in the US. All need insulin.

    There are 37 million that have Diabetes 2. About 30% of those need insulin which equates to 11 million needing insulin.

    There are way more Diabetes 2 patients that need insulin and most of them did it to themselves.

    I have no issue helping out the 1.6 million that don't have a choice or opportunity. If there was a fair way to help out everyone with diabetes, I wouldn't mind. The concerns from the GOP on this bill is that will unfairly and unevenly effect the heath insurance system as it currently stands. For me, I have a small business so I have to purchase my own health insurance. I only have 1 company to purchase from. I've had insurance my whole life and knock on wood, have never had to use it. I have to pay a higher premium every year already. Like I said, let's make a fair and even approach to this and I'll accept but this isn't it.

    Here are 2 more valid concerns:

    "Other critics of the legislation point out that the Affordable Insulin Act has some loopholes, namely that it wouldn’t include the coverage of the 28 million people in the US who don’t have health insurance.

    It also doesn’t address the major issue of the US pharmaceutical companies price gouging the overall price of the lifesaving drug, and instead shifts that burden onto a person’s insurers and employers."

    but you also can't put a number of how many of those with type 2 "did it to themselves". if you can, I'd love to see those numbers, but I don't see how you can. 

    there are also innumerable other things that humans do to themselves that negatively affect their health, and lots of those are covered. And what I'm uncomfortable with, is saying "you ate mcdonald's, fuck your life saving heart surgery". I understand the sentiment and frustration, but shouldn't we be a compassionate society and say "ok, you fucked up, but we're not going to let you die or go bankrupt because you made poor decisions"? People overeat/drink/smoke/etc for a multitude of reasons. and it's not always a simple "choice". mental illness, depression, demographics, upbringing, education. a lot of it has to do with privilege. so what you are essentially saying is, "we held you down, and now that the effects of holding you down have made you unhealthy, we're going to blame you for that too". 

    I'm not going to sit here and say from my high tower that smokers shouldn't get cancer treatment. I'm not evil. 

    I agree that big pharma is a big problem. but how does the government justify regulating a private industry? wouldn't republicans cry overreach? the american dream? the freedom of capitalism?

    Yeah....you have a debilitating illness and it's all your fault! You deal with it!

     https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231753.htm

    https://stateofchildhoodobesity.org/diabetes/#:~:text=Updated September 2021: According to,has the lowest at 7.5%.



    The crazy thing is diabetes is much more prevalent in Republican led states too. You'd think these senators would want to help them out. But no, they feed them the same old bullshit about spending being out of control while their constituents suffer. And those same constituents believe them and continue to vote for them. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,133
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    you don't usually need insulin for type 2. you need it for type 1, which is not caused by obesity. it's autoimmune. and without out it, people die. and with it, some people go bankrupt. 
    Ok. Let's breakdown those numbers. Approx. 1.6 million have Diabetes 1 in the US. All need insulin.

    There are 37 million that have Diabetes 2. About 30% of those need insulin which equates to 11 million needing insulin.

    There are way more Diabetes 2 patients that need insulin and most of them did it to themselves.

    I have no issue helping out the 1.6 million that don't have a choice or opportunity. If there was a fair way to help out everyone with diabetes, I wouldn't mind. The concerns from the GOP on this bill is that will unfairly and unevenly effect the heath insurance system as it currently stands. For me, I have a small business so I have to purchase my own health insurance. I only have 1 company to purchase from. I've had insurance my whole life and knock on wood, have never had to use it. I have to pay a higher premium every year already. Like I said, let's make a fair and even approach to this and I'll accept but this isn't it.

    Here are 2 more valid concerns:

    "Other critics of the legislation point out that the Affordable Insulin Act has some loopholes, namely that it wouldn’t include the coverage of the 28 million people in the US who don’t have health insurance.

    It also doesn’t address the major issue of the US pharmaceutical companies price gouging the overall price of the lifesaving drug, and instead shifts that burden onto a person’s insurers and employers."

    but you also can't put a number of how many of those with type 2 "did it to themselves". if you can, I'd love to see those numbers, but I don't see how you can. 

    there are also innumerable other things that humans do to themselves that negatively affect their health, and lots of those are covered. And what I'm uncomfortable with, is saying "you ate mcdonald's, fuck your life saving heart surgery". I understand the sentiment and frustration, but shouldn't we be a compassionate society and say "ok, you fucked up, but we're not going to let you die or go bankrupt because you made poor decisions"? People overeat/drink/smoke/etc for a multitude of reasons. and it's not always a simple "choice". mental illness, depression, demographics, upbringing, education. a lot of it has to do with privilege. so what you are essentially saying is, "we held you down, and now that the effects of holding you down have made you unhealthy, we're going to blame you for that too". 

    I'm not going to sit here and say from my high tower that smokers shouldn't get cancer treatment. I'm not evil. 

    I agree that big pharma is a big problem. but how does the government justify regulating a private industry? wouldn't republicans cry overreach? the american dream? the freedom of capitalism?


    True, many poor people look to eat the cheapest food, which can lead to diabetes. It’s another “blame the poor for being poor” argument from conservatives 
  • JB16057
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    Biden does not support legalization.



    Biden’s blunt opposition to marijuana legalization



  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
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    Is legalization is the same thing as decriminalization?


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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    legalization is not the same as decriminalization. 
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  • tbergs
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    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    Biden does not support legalization.



    Biden’s blunt opposition to marijuana legalization



    True, but he does support decriminalization so your counter point is moo.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    like a cow's opinion. ask devin nunes about that. 
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    edited April 2022
    tbergs said:
    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    Biden does not support legalization.



    Biden’s blunt opposition to marijuana legalization



    True, but he does support decriminalization so your counter point is moo.
    Legalization would be decriminalization. My point is that you are all putting blame on the GOP when your own "Democrat" President doesn't support legalizing marijuana.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    JB16057 said:
    tbergs said:
    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    also, today the US house voted to decriminalize marijuana. it will probably die in the senate, but i will give you one guess as to the party that voted against it.
    Biden does not support legalization.



    Biden’s blunt opposition to marijuana legalization



    True, but he does support decriminalization so your counter point is moo.
    Legalization would be decriminalization. My point is that you are all putting blame on the GOP when your own "Democrat" President doesn't support legalizing marijuana.

    Would he sign the bill?  I have not read that he would veto it.
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