Newark 2010

Lost In Ohio

on2legs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

RS65573 said:

I was not able to secure fan club tickets for this, I guess because I already scored MSG I forget. But I got to see Brother, with my Brother. Epic night for me.

Indeed. Anyone who had 10C tickets for either MSG show was ineligible for 10C tickets for this show. This was also the "You ripped our faces off!" tour, IIRC.

That s not true, I had fan club tickets for msg and Newark. 

Me too. 

You guys are right.

I remember now... Newark was a "second-chance" type of show. People who had 10C tickets for MSG could buy Newark...AFTER a set amount of time, allowing non-MSG holders first chance.

pledgeagrievance

on2legs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Lost In Ohio said:

RS65573 said:

I was not able to secure fan club tickets for this, I guess because I already scored MSG I forget. But I got to see Brother, with my Brother. Epic night for me.

Indeed. Anyone who had 10C tickets for either MSG show was ineligible for 10C tickets for this show. This was also the "You ripped our faces off!" tour, IIRC.

That s not true, I had fan club tickets for msg and Newark. 

Me too. 

Me too 

beanpj10

took a casual fan to this show for his first Pearl Jam show.   he was like "wtf?"  i loved it.  Tom Waits is my favorite singer and finally got Alone and  Of the Girl is my fav opener

on2legs

I was so pumped when they broke out Brain of J.  

Clapper

elwayvedder said:

crowd was dead/terrible. 

Can confirm this.  Great set list, but it is my least favourite of 30+  PJ shows because the crowd was so trash. 

gregoryield

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

tdawe

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

gregoryield

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

tdawe

gregoryield said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

That’s because it was a total outlier in terms of the crowd energy. Eddie himself commented on it at the encore break (“You guys are quiet, but that’s okay, that’s just your way...”).

Sobelberg8

Honestly with all of this talk about the crowd which we know was a big talking point, we try not to address it. There is one point where you can tell from watching the YouTube clip that no one is engaging at all, but there are also points in the boot where you can tell Brett Eliason was able to elevate the crowd noise. And someone in this thread brought up if this set was played at MSG, well some of it was. Insignificance, You Are and Once were all played night 1 and that’s wondering if they did that because they wanted to see if those songs would get a better reaction in a different setting 

mcgruff10

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

That’s because it was a total outlier in terms of the crowd energy. Eddie himself commented on it at the encore break (“You guys are quiet, but that’s okay, that’s just your way...”).

100% agree.  Great set but towards to the bottom for me.  

tdawe

mcgruff10 said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

That’s because it was a total outlier in terms of the crowd energy. Eddie himself commented on it at the encore break (“You guys are quiet, but that’s okay, that’s just your way...”).

100% agree.  Great set but towards to the bottom for me.  

Last time I saw this show discussed on here, I threw on the boot on the way home from work (ah, the good old days) and was rocking out so hard to Go that I missed my train stop and was almost late picking up my kids. The boot rules! But for me, my actual live experience of this show is at the bottom of my list, maybe second to last depending on how you count Central Park 2015. 

gregoryield

tdawe said:

mcgruff10 said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

That’s because it was a total outlier in terms of the crowd energy. Eddie himself commented on it at the encore break (“You guys are quiet, but that’s okay, that’s just your way...”).

100% agree.  Great set but towards to the bottom for me.  

Last time I saw this show discussed on here, I threw on the boot on the way home from work (ah, the good old days) and was rocking out so hard to Go that I missed my train stop and was almost late picking up my kids. The boot rules! But for me, my actual live experience of this show is at the bottom of my list, maybe second to last depending on how you count Central Park 2015. 

That is a *perfect* way to contextualize/distill reactions - and my reaction to them - here; thank you.

mcgruff10

tdawe said:

mcgruff10 said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

That’s because it was a total outlier in terms of the crowd energy. Eddie himself commented on it at the encore break (“You guys are quiet, but that’s okay, that’s just your way...”).

100% agree.  Great set but towards to the bottom for me.  

Last time I saw this show discussed on here, I threw on the boot on the way home from work (ah, the good old days) and was rocking out so hard to Go that I missed my train stop and was almost late picking up my kids. The boot rules! But for me, my actual live experience of this show is at the bottom of my list, maybe second to last depending on how you count Central Park 2015. 

This show, Hershey 03, Hartford 06 and Central Park are at the bottom of the barrel for me.  
I felt like the crowd finally woke up during go.  

cutz

on2legs said:

I loved this show.  Had great fan club seats and the set list was awesome.  The crowd wasn't berserk but it also wasn’t dead in my section.  As long as people aren’t being drunk idiots I don’t think other fans really impact my enjoyment of a show.  

All of this right here ^^^^ (especially the Bold.). 

When I'm asked about some of my BEST PJ shows I mention Newark 2010 in that group of shows . 

For me this was better than BOTH MSG shows.

cutz

Sobelberg8 said:

Honestly with all of this talk about the crowd which we know was a big talking point, we try not to address it. There is one point where you can tell from watching the YouTube clip that no one is engaging at all, but there are also points in the boot where you can tell Brett Eliason was able to elevate the crowd noise. And someone in this thread brought up if this set was played at MSG, well some of it was. Insignificance, You Are and Once were all played night 1 and that’s wondering if they did that because they wanted to see if those songs would get a better reaction in a different setting 

And, maybe that's why some MSG shows are overrated?

Sobelberg8

cutz said:

Sobelberg8 said:

Honestly with all of this talk about the crowd which we know was a big talking point, we try not to address it. There is one point where you can tell from watching the YouTube clip that no one is engaging at all, but there are also points in the boot where you can tell Brett Eliason was able to elevate the crowd noise. And someone in this thread brought up if this set was played at MSG, well some of it was. Insignificance, You Are and Once were all played night 1 and that’s wondering if they did that because they wanted to see if those songs would get a better reaction in a different setting 

And, maybe that's why some MSG shows are overrated?

They are what they are. For every out of this world MSG show there is one that doesn’t click as much because people that go to MSG go to all of the east coast shows, MSG is always expected to be 100% different and that just isn’t the case. There are songs that are automatically always played there and then it’s sometimes a mixture of the rest of the tour. It happens sometimes

curmudgeoness

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

tdawe said:

gregoryield said:

10+ years later, and I'm still fascinated by how this show is considered and rated. That the quiet crowd/building affects how "good" the show was is such an interesting - and terribly subjective - metric to me. I'd take that setlist any day. Where it falls in that overall tour - especially after Hartford and Boston and before those 2 MSGs - doesn't do it any favors, either.

Any way of considering and rating a rock concert is going to be “terribly subjective” my man. 

Right, but putting such subjective weight on the subjectivity of the crowd that night will always be funny to me, especially in regards to this show. I don't know another show where the crowd is so intertwined to the overall negative perception of the show like this one.

That’s because it was a total outlier in terms of the crowd energy. Eddie himself commented on it at the encore break (“You guys are quiet, but that’s okay, that’s just your way...”).

Yeah, I'm not normally one to judge a show based on the crowd, but this was a dead audience. The weather was terrible; my kids and I had taken the train into Newark and then trudged through the storm to the venue. We were soaked and I, at least, was chilled through.

I thought the set list was great, I thought the opener was very fitting for the day, and frankly I was just thrilled to be there, since we had been shut out of all of the other East Coast shows on that tour. But the crowd definitely had a "we need to get up early for work tomorrow" feel to it, and for the first/ only time at a show I've attended, that lack of engagement -- made an impact, I guess? I certainly gave it all I had (you can hear me scream at the opening notes of "In Hiding" on one of the videos out there, LOL), but I actually felt self-conscious about getting into the show, so many people around us seemed checked-out.

mcgruff10

Sobelberg8 said:

cutz said:

Sobelberg8 said:

Honestly with all of this talk about the crowd which we know was a big talking point, we try not to address it. There is one point where you can tell from watching the YouTube clip that no one is engaging at all, but there are also points in the boot where you can tell Brett Eliason was able to elevate the crowd noise. And someone in this thread brought up if this set was played at MSG, well some of it was. Insignificance, You Are and Once were all played night 1 and that’s wondering if they did that because they wanted to see if those songs would get a better reaction in a different setting 

And, maybe that's why some MSG shows are overrated?

They are what they are. For every out of this world MSG show there is one that doesn’t click as much because people that go to MSG go to all of the east coast shows, MSG is always expected to be 100% different and that just isn’t the case. There are songs that are automatically always played there and then it’s sometimes a mixture of the rest of the tour. It happens sometimes

I do agree with this.  People tend to think that msg shows will be the best ever each and every time.  We have had some all time greats (night 2 98, night one 03, night 2 10) but have definitely had some clunkers (08 shows).   It is just further proof that a great pj show can be found anywhere.  

TresentPense

Great show, I listen to this boot all the time. I had 10C seats on MM's side, which I NEVER get, and they were very close/low considering my number (192XXX). You could kind of tell the crowd was weak down low but since my immediate neighbors were all engaged you didn't notice the rest of the joint not pulling their weight as much. Still pissed the scratched 'No Way' that night, but got some other solid songs in the set that made the night memorable (Of The Girl opener, You Are, Brother, Alone). 

I will also always remember this night because of 1) the rain, 2) the $85 gypsy SUV I took to Manhattan after the show, and 3) going to STP @ Gramercy Theater straight from The Rock. STP didn't go on until around 11 (the show was only announced about 10 days prior) so by the time I got there I still managed to catch about half of it (better than nothing, and a hell of a double bill for the night).