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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550

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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    mace1229 said:
    My brother is a LA county deputy and was driving a van transporting inmates. The bus in front of him, also transporting inmates, was swarmed and ambushed by protestors. Threw rocks and bricks at it and jump on top, it was completely stuck. My brother turned around and passed some reporters a few blocks away reporting on another protest. He pulled over to tell them what was going on a few blocks away and they told him they have been instructed by their networks to not report anything violent and only cover peaceful protests.

    i have little doubt we aren’t getting a very accurate story of what is going on in some of these cities. 

    So, a few thoughts about this.

    First, it would be helpful to know what network or news agency these reporters were supposedly from. Local, regional, national, international? This matters, when judging whether this situation would even mean anything, assuming it occurred. 

    Second, reporters don't generally just go out and wander around randomly - they are given an assignment to cover. It's entirely possible that this group was given the assignment to cover peaceful protests. After all, FSM knows there's been a lot of coverage of the non-peaceful variety already.

    Third, even if we were to believe that there was some sort of directive from the top of one of the "networks" to not cover violent protests, what's to stop all of the other agencies from covering them? LA is a big place, with lots of news outlets from across the political spectrum. It's conspiracy theory to the max to believe that they would all have banded together to prevent coverage of certain aspects of the situation. 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mace1229 said:
    My brother is a LA county deputy and was driving a van transporting inmates. The bus in front of him, also transporting inmates, was swarmed and ambushed by protestors. Threw rocks and bricks at it and jump on top, it was completely stuck. My brother turned around and passed some reporters a few blocks away reporting on another protest. He pulled over to tell them what was going on a few blocks away and they told him they have been instructed by their networks to not report anything violent and only cover peaceful protests.

    i have little doubt we aren’t getting a very accurate story of what is going on in some of these cities. 

    So, a few thoughts about this.

    First, it would be helpful to know what network or news agency these reporters were supposedly from. Local, regional, national, international? This matters, when judging whether this situation would even mean anything, assuming it occurred. 

    Second, reporters don't generally just go out and wander around randomly - they are given an assignment to cover. It's entirely possible that this group was given the assignment to cover peaceful protests. After all, FSM knows there's been a lot of coverage of the non-peaceful variety already.

    Third, even if we were to believe that there was some sort of directive from the top of one of the "networks" to not cover violent protests, what's to stop all of the other agencies from covering them? LA is a big place, with lots of news outlets from across the political spectrum. It's conspiracy theory to the max to believe that they would all have banded together to prevent coverage of certain aspects of the situation. 

    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    I hesitate sharing any Th omg personal because the cop haters are always going to hate. Believe me or not, just sharing some info. Because news reporters out on the corner in one of the largest cities in the world during massive protests is hard to believe you could stop at an intersection, roll down a window and have a 6 second conversation waiting on traffic. 
    A lot of information was shared in 6 seconds.

    Call me a skeptic.

    In the age of twitter it would kind of hard to hide all this secret rioting. Maybe your brother should start recording all this troubling behavior to share it with the world.
    Not to mention that LA’s skies are typically filled with police and news station traffic reporter helicopters and all the news outlets monitor police communications for that inevitable car chase they can film live. That, and I suppose neither of them called for backup or were escorted in some way, drawing more attention to the “story” that didn’t get reported. Any self respecting journalist wouldn’t say such a thing. Now, whether they file a report and their GM squashes it, that’s another story. More incitement of “lawlessness” caused by the radical left. I’m sure FaceTurd is full of posts about how the prisoners were released into the community and there’s already been rapes and murders and robbery.


    Where did I say they never called for backup? I took a 5 minute conversation and turned it into about 2 sentences to share. But of course you want leaked secured documents every time I share an experience. 
    They called for backup, he witnessed the first moments live and listened to the rest on the radio as backup arrived and Several patrol cars dispersed the crowd surrounding the bus.
    But whatever, you’re also the one that didn’t believe me when I said they are about to release most of the jails for due to Covid  because I wouldn’t provide leaked secret  documentation, then a few days later every major city was reporting they did. Either you think I made the whole thing up, or my brother lied to me, or that maybe the news isn’t reporting on violent protests. Since just a week ago they were looting stores in broad daylight in front of cops and suddenly you don’t see that happening anymore it doesn’t seem like a big stretch. Or maybe they just all decided to do better? Whatever.
    I don’t believe the press wouldn’t report on a DOC bus being attacked with rocks and protestors jumping on the roof. Not with the amount of surveillance deployed by the press and law enforcement. But typical of your posts, your information comes second hand without a verifiable source. It’s an old schtick.
    In the age of cell phone cameras no one happened to take a picture or video of “rioters” taking over a prisoner transport bus?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    My brother is a LA county deputy and was driving a van transporting inmates. The bus in front of him, also transporting inmates, was swarmed and ambushed by protestors. Threw rocks and bricks at it and jump on top, it was completely stuck. My brother turned around and passed some reporters a few blocks away reporting on another protest. He pulled over to tell them what was going on a few blocks away and they told him they have been instructed by their networks to not report anything violent and only cover peaceful protests.

    i have little doubt we aren’t getting a very accurate story of what is going on in some of these cities. 

    So, a few thoughts about this.

    First, it would be helpful to know what network or news agency these reporters were supposedly from. Local, regional, national, international? This matters, when judging whether this situation would even mean anything, assuming it occurred. 

    Second, reporters don't generally just go out and wander around randomly - they are given an assignment to cover. It's entirely possible that this group was given the assignment to cover peaceful protests. After all, FSM knows there's been a lot of coverage of the non-peaceful variety already.

    Third, even if we were to believe that there was some sort of directive from the top of one of the "networks" to not cover violent protests, what's to stop all of the other agencies from covering them? LA is a big place, with lots of news outlets from across the political spectrum. It's conspiracy theory to the max to believe that they would all have banded together to prevent coverage of certain aspects of the situation. 

    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    I hesitate sharing any Th omg personal because the cop haters are always going to hate. Believe me or not, just sharing some info. Because news reporters out on the corner in one of the largest cities in the world during massive protests is hard to believe you could stop at an intersection, roll down a window and have a 6 second conversation waiting on traffic. 
    A lot of information was shared in 6 seconds.

    Call me a skeptic.

    In the age of twitter it would kind of hard to hide all this secret rioting. Maybe your brother should start recording all this troubling behavior to share it with the world.
    Not to mention that LA’s skies are typically filled with police and news station traffic reporter helicopters and all the news outlets monitor police communications for that inevitable car chase they can film live. That, and I suppose neither of them called for backup or were escorted in some way, drawing more attention to the “story” that didn’t get reported. Any self respecting journalist wouldn’t say such a thing. Now, whether they file a report and their GM squashes it, that’s another story. More incitement of “lawlessness” caused by the radical left. I’m sure FaceTurd is full of posts about how the prisoners were released into the community and there’s already been rapes and murders and robbery.


    Where did I say they never called for backup? I took a 5 minute conversation and turned it into about 2 sentences to share. But of course you want leaked secured documents every time I share an experience. 
    They called for backup, he witnessed the first moments live and listened to the rest on the radio as backup arrived and Several patrol cars dispersed the crowd surrounding the bus.
    But whatever, you’re also the one that didn’t believe me when I said they are about to release most of the jails for due to Covid  because I wouldn’t provide leaked secret  documentation, then a few days later every major city was reporting they did. Either you think I made the whole thing up, or my brother lied to me, or that maybe the news isn’t reporting on violent protests. Since just a week ago they were looting stores in broad daylight in front of cops and suddenly you don’t see that happening anymore it doesn’t seem like a big stretch. Or maybe they just all decided to do better? Whatever.
    I don’t believe the press wouldn’t report on a DOC bus being attacked with rocks and protestors jumping on the roof. Not with the amount of surveillance deployed by the press and law enforcement. But typical of your posts, your information comes second hand without a verifiable source. It’s an old schtick.
    In the age of cell phone cameras no one happened to take a picture or video of “rioters” taking over a prisoner transport bus?
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    mace1229 said:
    My brother is a LA county deputy and was driving a van transporting inmates. The bus in front of him, also transporting inmates, was swarmed and ambushed by protestors. Threw rocks and bricks at it and jump on top, it was completely stuck. My brother turned around and passed some reporters a few blocks away reporting on another protest. He pulled over to tell them what was going on a few blocks away and they told him they have been instructed by their networks to not report anything violent and only cover peaceful protests.

    i have little doubt we aren’t getting a very accurate story of what is going on in some of these cities. 

    So, a few thoughts about this.

    First, it would be helpful to know what network or news agency these reporters were supposedly from. Local, regional, national, international? This matters, when judging whether this situation would even mean anything, assuming it occurred. 

    Second, reporters don't generally just go out and wander around randomly - they are given an assignment to cover. It's entirely possible that this group was given the assignment to cover peaceful protests. After all, FSM knows there's been a lot of coverage of the non-peaceful variety already.

    Third, even if we were to believe that there was some sort of directive from the top of one of the "networks" to not cover violent protests, what's to stop all of the other agencies from covering them? LA is a big place, with lots of news outlets from across the political spectrum. It's conspiracy theory to the max to believe that they would all have banded together to prevent coverage of certain aspects of the situation. 

    mace1229 said:
    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    I hesitate sharing any Th omg personal because the cop haters are always going to hate. Believe me or not, just sharing some info. Because news reporters out on the corner in one of the largest cities in the world during massive protests is hard to believe you could stop at an intersection, roll down a window and have a 6 second conversation waiting on traffic. 
    A lot of information was shared in 6 seconds.

    Call me a skeptic.

    In the age of twitter it would kind of hard to hide all this secret rioting. Maybe your brother should start recording all this troubling behavior to share it with the world.
    Not to mention that LA’s skies are typically filled with police and news station traffic reporter helicopters and all the news outlets monitor police communications for that inevitable car chase they can film live. That, and I suppose neither of them called for backup or were escorted in some way, drawing more attention to the “story” that didn’t get reported. Any self respecting journalist wouldn’t say such a thing. Now, whether they file a report and their GM squashes it, that’s another story. More incitement of “lawlessness” caused by the radical left. I’m sure FaceTurd is full of posts about how the prisoners were released into the community and there’s already been rapes and murders and robbery.


    Where did I say they never called for backup? I took a 5 minute conversation and turned it into about 2 sentences to share. But of course you want leaked secured documents every time I share an experience. 
    They called for backup, he witnessed the first moments live and listened to the rest on the radio as backup arrived and Several patrol cars dispersed the crowd surrounding the bus.
    But whatever, you’re also the one that didn’t believe me when I said they are about to release most of the jails for due to Covid  because I wouldn’t provide leaked secret  documentation, then a few days later every major city was reporting they did. Either you think I made the whole thing up, or my brother lied to me, or that maybe the news isn’t reporting on violent protests. Since just a week ago they were looting stores in broad daylight in front of cops and suddenly you don’t see that happening anymore it doesn’t seem like a big stretch. Or maybe they just all decided to do better? Whatever.
    I don’t believe the press wouldn’t report on a DOC bus being attacked with rocks and protestors jumping on the roof. Not with the amount of surveillance deployed by the press and law enforcement. But typical of your posts, your information comes second hand without a verifiable source. It’s an old schtick.
    In the age of cell phone cameras no one happened to take a picture or video of “rioters” taking over a prisoner transport bus?
    Little known fact, all Obamaphones were repossessed the day after the inaugural.
    So now Obama is keeping the press and private citizens from filming the work of looters!? Let’s impeach Obama!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    Riddle me this.


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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,029
    For what it's worth I have cell phone video of protesters throwing a garbage can at a police vehicle for no reason.  That didn't make the news either.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    For what it's worth I have cell phone video of protesters throwing a garbage can at a police vehicle for no reason.  That didn't make the news either.
    You should start your own news site. You could call it "The Daily Tempo: Get Your Groove On". Ambiguous enough to get some lingering clicks looking for something more salacious.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    For what it's worth I have cell phone video of protesters throwing a garbage can at a police vehicle for no reason.  That didn't make the news either.
    Apparently if it didn’t make CNN, it doesn’t exist. Sorry.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,029
    tbergs said:
    For what it's worth I have cell phone video of protesters throwing a garbage can at a police vehicle for no reason.  That didn't make the news either.
    You should start your own news site. You could call it "The Daily Tempo: Get Your Groove On". Ambiguous enough to get some lingering clicks looking for something more salacious.
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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    mcgruff10 said:
    54th mass regiment monument in Boston  spray painted and damaged?  Ffs know your history.  I support change but this type of action does not help your cause.  
    I attended a professional development Zoom with Baruti Kafele last week (June 9-10, before this incident), and he asked the question -- how many of these young protesters even know their history? Many of them don't because our previously content-rich curriculums, determined by teachers not corporations, have been decimated by the culture wars and the era of No Child Left Behind where teaching "skills" is more important than teaching content. He advised us all that good teachers know how to breathe life in these dead, skills-based curriculums. I have never been more fired up to help my students understand their world -- if I ever get them back in a classroom.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mcgruff10 said:
    54th mass regiment monument in Boston  spray painted and damaged?  Ffs know your history.  I support change but this type of action does not help your cause.  
    I attended a professional development Zoom with Baruti Kafele last week (June 9-10, before this incident), and he asked the question -- how many of these young protesters even know their history? Many of them don't because our previously content-rich curriculums, determined by teachers not corporations, have been decimated by the culture wars and the era of No Child Left Behind where teaching "skills" is more important than teaching content. He advised us all that good teachers know how to breathe life in these dead, skills-based curriculums. I have never been more fired up to help my students understand their world -- if I ever get them back in a classroom.
    I was so lucky to have great history teachers before teaching to the test was doubled down. 
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,757
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/15/magazine/jon-stewart-interview.html

    Great interview with Jon Stewart. I would love to see him come out of retirement and make Tucker look like a dummy again. 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    PJNB said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/15/magazine/jon-stewart-interview.html

    Great interview with Jon Stewart. I would love to see him come out of retirement and make Tucker look like a dummy again. 
    I miss him. Left-wing political comedy has gone way downhill without him. I loved Colbert doing his O'Riley-type character on The Colbert Report, but he's insufferable on the Late Show. Especially when he does an impression of Trump's voice. It's brutal. 

    I've recently watched a few old Stewart episodes from around the time of the Eric Garner killing. Here's one. The moment at 2:51 is beyond hilarious. "Go on, sensei."

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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,889
    mcgruff10 said:
    54th mass regiment monument in Boston  spray painted and damaged?  Ffs know your history.  I support change but this type of action does not help your cause.  
    I attended a professional development Zoom with Baruti Kafele last week (June 9-10, before this incident), and he asked the question -- how many of these young protesters even know their history? Many of them don't because our previously content-rich curriculums, determined by teachers not corporations, have been decimated by the culture wars and the era of No Child Left Behind where teaching "skills" is more important than teaching content. He advised us all that good teachers know how to breathe life in these dead, skills-based curriculums. I have never been more fired up to help my students understand their world -- if I ever get them back in a classroom.
    Luckily in Social studies we don't teach to the test.  I have taught the 54th regiment in some capacity every year for the past 19 years.  
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    PJNB said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/15/magazine/jon-stewart-interview.html

    Great interview with Jon Stewart. I would love to see him come out of retirement and make Tucker look like a dummy again. 
    Thanks for sharing. The line that really stands out to me from that whole interview was this one:

    "There are issues, but again, we point a spotlight on the anecdotal and pretend that it’s universal. What that does is feed the narrative for people who want to use it for their own purposes. That’s what drives me bananas. We’re basically having giant public fights about symbolism, while the reality of our situation goes unexamined."
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    edited June 2020
    If you haven't seen this yet you should.
    Very powerful, occasionally funny, but damn powerful and illuminating. 

    Dave Chapelle 8:46
    https://youtu.be/3tR6mKcBbT4
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    RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,206
    If you haven't seen this yet you should.
    Very powerful, occasionally funny, but damn powerful and illuminating. 

    Dave Chapelle 8:46
    https://youtu.be/3tR6mKcBbT4
    Yep. He gets very “real” with his comedy at times, but I’ve never seen him fired up like he is here. Powerful stuff. 
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,067
    That special is brilliant. Chappelle is extremely compelling, regardless of how many or few jokes. 27 minutes but it flies by.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    pjl44 said:
    That special is brilliant. Chappelle is extremely compelling, regardless of how many or few jokes. 27 minutes but it flies by.
    Spoiler alert....









    The emotion he shows when he segues from his earthquake experience to 8 MINUTES 46 SECONDS .
    I felt it. The first time I almost fell off my couch it was so jolting.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,067
    pjl44 said:
    That special is brilliant. Chappelle is extremely compelling, regardless of how many or few jokes. 27 minutes but it flies by.
    Spoiler alert....









    The emotion he shows when he segues from his earthquake experience to 8 MINUTES 46 SECONDS .
    I felt it. The first time I almost fell off my couch it was so jolting.
    Yes, totally. When he starts into it and you instantly figure out where he's going, it's a right cross.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,889
    pjl44 said:
    That special is brilliant. Chappelle is extremely compelling, regardless of how many or few jokes. 27 minutes but it flies by.
    Spoiler alert....









    The emotion he shows when he segues from his earthquake experience to 8 MINUTES 46 SECONDS .
    I felt it. The first time I almost fell off my couch it was so jolting.
    He is one of my favorite comedians. I have to check this out.  
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,109
    Hadn’t heard of that before. Was really amazing.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    For what it's worth I have cell phone video of protesters throwing a garbage can at a police vehicle for no reason.  That didn't make the news either.
    For no reason? Right or wrong, I think we all know there was a reason. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    PJ_Soul said:
    For what it's worth I have cell phone video of protesters throwing a garbage can at a police vehicle for no reason.  That didn't make the news either.
    For no reason? Right or wrong, I think we all know there was a reason. 
    Depends when and where this happened. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    I thought the presence of police kept the peace?
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    I love how the the counter to "Black Lives Matter" is "USA! USA!"  To steal from memes, etc. on social media: racism is so prominent in America that when you protest it, people think you're protesting America.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,176
    I thought the presence of police kept the peace?
    Sort of.   I had a professor in university who liked to talk about the "threat of police" or "threat of punishment" keeps society in line.  There aren't actually enough police to enforce everything.  Not by a long shot.   It's the assumption that you will get caught and punished that keeps the masses in line.

    In regard to the defunding police.   I think it's about Police becoming front line for everything.   Here in Victoria we have a homeless problem.  If you go back in time you see the government cutting more and more mental health services.   Cutting that funding required more policing, because now the streets are full of homeless people, who struggling to function in every day life, because of mental health and/or drug problems.    Now the police need more budget to deal with the homeless problem.   What if they took that budget, and the added officers, and redirected it back to mental health and addiction care.  Would it cost the same?  Would it help those people?  Would we benefit from cleaner streets for the same cost?   It's an interesting concept.   Police are basically the backstop of budget cuts elsewhere.

    I also think governments should be required to remove a law for everyone they add.  It's laughable how many laws there are.   Cops and By-Law officers don't have the manpower to enforce anywhere near all of them.   They go for the big ones and the low hanging fruit.    What's the point of so many laws?
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