PJ making dates? Rage reschedule

SHZA

H.Chinaski said:

How are we to go about getting refunded? I have two tickets to each LA show and wound up with fairly shitty seats at the back of the floor for both nights so i think i'll get a refund and hopefully find a better option once they reschedule..

If you go into your ticketmaster account on the desktop site and click on "my tickets," then the show, there should be a refund button. 

Poncier

kst said:

As the song says, I have a feeling 21 is going to be a good year.

Especially if you and me see it in together....

OceansJenny

JBC7913 said:

Has this wording been the same since the shows were postponed? “The rescheduled date will be announced soon”? 

This is what it looked like on March 10 (someone’s screenshot from the F2F for Dummies thread). I haven’t been checking since then though.

RatherStarved

Billy Joel has moved June-August 2020 NYC concerts to Dec 20-Feb 21.  He also moved Notre Dame June 2020 to June 2021.  He still has September 2020 NYC on the books.

ryph raph

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

PJNB

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

I heard the vaccine that will finally work is coming in 2026. 

myoung321

Red Mosqito said:

Personally, I'm surprised RATM rescheduled this tour. I figured the idea of them touring again was more politically motivated than it was about them actually reuniting as a band, but I guess I was wrong. All I know is I'm really going to have to think hard about whether I request a refund for that show or not. I blew $1600 on four crappy seats to the Oakland show as there wasn't many seat options left once I finally got out of the waiting room, only to get screwed on that purchase decision when they announced a second date an hour later. 

Word is....RATM did this to get around Ticketmasters refund policy... This way, with dates on calendar, fans can now request refunds, if desired.  With no dates TM was not giving refunds. 

chilisuarez

I doubt we'll see live shows; at least from PJ and/or EV, until it is 100% safe to. That is, you won't be able to catch the virus at a concert and be able to transmit it to others like family/friends after the concert. 

RatherStarved

myoung321 said:

Red Mosqito said:

Personally, I'm surprised RATM rescheduled this tour. I figured the idea of them touring again was more politically motivated than it was about them actually reuniting as a band, but I guess I was wrong. All I know is I'm really going to have to think hard about whether I request a refund for that show or not. I blew $1600 on four crappy seats to the Oakland show as there wasn't many seat options left once I finally got out of the waiting room, only to get screwed on that purchase decision when they announced a second date an hour later. 

Word is....RATM did this to get around Ticketmasters refund policy... This way, with dates on calendar, fans can now request refunds, if desired.  With no dates TM was not giving refunds. 

TM’s policy doesn’t require a new date any more.  60 days after postponement, if no new date, refunds available.  At least in NA.  It still doesn’t guarantee the new dates will happen, as that’s a health and safety issue that remains TBD, but it might not be a totally fake move.

JBC7913

OceansJenny said:

JBC7913 said:

Has this wording been the same since the shows were postponed? “The rescheduled date will be announced soon”? 

This is what it looked like on March 10 (someone’s screenshot from the F2F for Dummies thread). I haven’t been checking since then though.

Thx Jenny. I guess we’re looking for some little piece of information anywhere. 

Foriginal Sin

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

I would. I’m healthy and honestly feel that this hit my family in January. Wife came home from Chicago on Jan 18th, was sick a week later, I got sick early Feb through end of the month. Our doctor thought we had Upper Rep Infections and prescribed antibiotics, didn’t help. Then we assumed it was allergies because Phoenix got a ton of rain this winter = lots of unseasonal growth. Didn’t affect our physical stamina, jobs, etc, just felt like bad allergies. Anyway, I couldn’t imagine not going to a sporting event, concert, etc for over 2 years. I was Gung Ho about staying home, we started on March 12th when baseball cancelled Spring but Come on? Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. And these lockdowns are only meant to flatten the curve, they still project 70% of the U.S. is going to get it they just didn’t want the hospitals overrun. So if we’re gonna get it anyway, get on with it already. Probably in the minority on this on this board. 

In other news, why can’t the band play ala Kokua Fest? One show, acoustic, something. They gotta be bored af too right? 

SHZA

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

Weston1283

Who knows when a vaccine could come.  But I think we forget sometimes that flattening the curve was the goal, not getting to a 0% infection rate.  People are going to get COVID indefinitely, just (hopefully) not at a rate that will overwhelm our hospitals

I would get on a plane and go to a concert tomorrow, especially since our hospitals have surpassed the “peak” which we needed to avoid

RatherStarved

I would at least want there to be a treatment before heading back out and risking it.  

Foriginal Sin

SHZA said:

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

I disagree, respectfully. People are dying everyday still from non Covid issues, life and death continues. A lot of people will die in 2 years unrelated to this

SHZA

Foriginal Sin said:

SHZA said:

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

I disagree, respectfully. People are dying everyday still from non Covid issues, life and death continues. A lot of people will die in 2 years unrelated to this

Of course it’s always been and always will be a fact of life that people will die from all kinds of things. Death and taxes, as they say. But most of us don’t want to go before our time, and so try to avoid life threatening activities. In decades of going to shows, I’ve never walked into an arena and wondered if I was going to catch a potentially fatal illness. Maybe the chances of that are so small that it’s not worth worrying about, but I’m not there yet. If you’re comfortable with the risk, that’s all that matters. Personally I’ve been to a ton of events so if I had to skip it for a couple years I’d be ok with that. And if this thing isn’t reasonably contained it’s definitely not worth the risk in my view. 

gotthebottle

Foriginal Sin said:

SHZA said:

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

I disagree, respectfully. People are dying everyday still from non Covid issues, life and death continues. A lot of people will die in 2 years unrelated to this

Disrespectful....this is a talking point of the "Its a fake pandemic" crowd. Of course people die every day...duhh..but there was a 5 year old and many in their 20's 30's, 40's, 50's who DIDN'T have to die so soon. 
So if you are one of those who believe we have to be "warriors" (Hmmm, wonder who said this)....then by all means go run around and give your life for the "cause". 

Weston1283

It’s been 2 months since the postponement announcement

Hopefully some new dates come rolling in soon

OceansJenny

So brutal the tour was starting just when they had to start closing things down... even one month earlier it could have happened! 😩

gotthebottle

OceansJenny said:

So brutal the tour was starting just when they had to start closing things down... even one month earlier it could have happened! 😩

the virus wasn't on a schedule...if the tour had started who knows how many people who had been in close quarter would have been sick or even just transmitted it? Would you have rather them started the tour then stopped it? 
You would have heard stories of them tracing a cluster back to concerts....

Foriginal Sin

gotthebottle said:

Foriginal Sin said:

SHZA said:

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

I disagree, respectfully. People are dying everyday still from non Covid issues, life and death continues. A lot of people will die in 2 years unrelated to this

Disrespectful....this is a talking point of the "Its a fake pandemic" crowd. Of course people die every day...duhh..but there was a 5 year old and many in their 20's 30's, 40's, 50's who DIDN'T have to die so soon. 
So if you are one of those who believe we have to be "warriors" (Hmmm, wonder who said this)....then by all means go run around and give your life for the "cause". 

Not one of those. But as you’re very aware the lockdown was ONLY meant to flatten the curve, the curve that is coming no matter what. Would you waste 2 years hiding out to just get the virus or would you rather get it today and be done with it? This isn’t a hoax but we can’t just hide for years hoping for a vaccine that isn’t guaranteed 

SHZA

Foriginal Sin said:

gotthebottle said:

Foriginal Sin said:

SHZA said:

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

I disagree, respectfully. People are dying everyday still from non Covid issues, life and death continues. A lot of people will die in 2 years unrelated to this

Disrespectful....this is a talking point of the "Its a fake pandemic" crowd. Of course people die every day...duhh..but there was a 5 year old and many in their 20's 30's, 40's, 50's who DIDN'T have to die so soon. 
So if you are one of those who believe we have to be "warriors" (Hmmm, wonder who said this)....then by all means go run around and give your life for the "cause". 

Not one of those. But as you’re very aware the lockdown was ONLY meant to flatten the curve, the curve that is coming no matter what. Would you waste 2 years hiding out to just get the virus or would you rather get it today and be done with it? This isn’t a hoax but we can’t just hide for years hoping for a vaccine that isn’t guaranteed 

It's true that the flattened curve doesn't necessarily mean fewer people will get the virus overall, but if you get it at a later point on the curve it's more likely there will be a vaccine, and even if not a vaccine, more effective treatments. So there are valid reasons to prefer getting it 2 years from now rather than just getting it over with. And there's always a chance if you take precautions you'll be part of the group that doesn't get it at all. 

RatherStarved

SHZA makes a good point in my opinion.  Oxford scientists expect to know next month if their vaccine produces an immunity response and by later this summer if it is effective against the virus.  At one point they predicted 80% confidence it will work.  They can’t make a worldwide supply this year but they can make a significant amount.  And that’s just one vaccine that’s being tried already.  

gotthebottle

Foriginal Sin said:

gotthebottle said:

Foriginal Sin said:

SHZA said:

Foriginal Sin said:

ryph raph said:

Will you insert yourself into a crowded live concert setting if there is no vaccine ?

2022

Two years is a lot of life to miss for something that may or may not affect your immune system. 

The rest of your life is a lot of life to miss if it kills you. Just sayin'. 

I disagree, respectfully. People are dying everyday still from non Covid issues, life and death continues. A lot of people will die in 2 years unrelated to this

Disrespectful....this is a talking point of the "Its a fake pandemic" crowd. Of course people die every day...duhh..but there was a 5 year old and many in their 20's 30's, 40's, 50's who DIDN'T have to die so soon. 
So if you are one of those who believe we have to be "warriors" (Hmmm, wonder who said this)....then by all means go run around and give your life for the "cause". 

Not one of those. But as you’re very aware the lockdown was ONLY meant to flatten the curve, the curve that is coming no matter what. Would you waste 2 years hiding out to just get the virus or would you rather get it today and be done with it? This isn’t a hoax but we can’t just hide for years hoping for a vaccine that isn’t guaranteed 

Hope no one you know ever dies from this... because there are over 77,000 people right now who probably wish they were still "hiding out". You're very insensitive, our country has more deaths than ANY OTHER... who gives a fuck about a concert. 

OceansJenny

gotthebottle said:

OceansJenny said:

So brutal the tour was starting just when they had to start closing things down... even one month earlier it could have happened! 😩

the virus wasn't on a schedule...if the tour had started who knows how many people who had been in close quarter would have been sick or even just transmitted it? Would you have rather them started the tour then stopped it? 
You would have heard stories of them tracing a cluster back to concerts....

I agree - I wasn’t have a rational grievance.

demetrios

kst said:

I would at least want there to be a treatment before heading back out and risking it.  

Same. Pretty weird that many bands now are already booking rescheduled tour dates for 2021 when there isn't even a cure yet for COVID-19. Why? DMB was adding new shows too for next summer? Seriously? The messed up thing is kids, are going back to school today in Quebec. Not home schooled but actually going to school with MANY other kids in a classroom.

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/reopening-montreal-schools-stores-might-cause-covid-19-explosion-could-be-delayed-again-legault-1.4934146

Reopening Montreal schools, stores might cause COVID-19 'explosion', could be delayed again: Legault

Now this ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/now-it-starts-again-new-coronavirus-outbreaks-spark-unease-in-china

'Now it starts again': new coronavirus outbreaks spark unease in China

Cases rise in Shulan, near the Russian border, and in Wuhan, where stringent lockdown measures had been eased in recent weeks

...

Back to rescheduling concerts. It's gonna be a while. :(

RatherStarved

demetrios said:

kst said:

I would at least want there to be a treatment before heading back out and risking it.  

Same. Pretty weird that many bands now are already booking rescheduled tour dates for 2021 when there isn't even a cure yet for COVID-19. Why?


Why?
I think there’s a reasonable chance of a vaccine and/or a treatment in time for 2021 especially if talking mid 2021. No guarantee, but probably a reasonable basis to put down some dates, and re-evaluate closer to the time if necessary.

evenflow82

If people can stream every band and every song ever recorded for ten dollars a month, of course ticket prices will be through the roof.