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  • mickeyrat
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    tbergs said:
    Anyone watch the Glenn Greenwald conversation? 
    I just read the article about that situation. 
    don't know who the guy is, but he resigned because his editors were forcing him to remove all negative references to biden in his work. 
    He's the guy who broke the whole Snowden thing. Interesting interview on JRE. 

    he was one reporter from one of 4 news orgs to have access to snowden files
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  • More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    tbergs said:
    Anyone watch the Glenn Greenwald conversation? 
    I just read the article about that situation. 
    don't know who the guy is, but he resigned because his editors were forcing him to remove all negative references to biden in his work. 
    According to his editors they were asking him to back up allegations that he was making and not to delete all negative references to Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden. National Review is already claiming all news outlet editorial boards are at risk and it’s another example of quashing “free speech.” Back your (not you but the writer) shit up (allegations) with verifiable facts or go find your own damn platform to spread your bullshit. The acceptance of purposeful misinformation, unfounded allegations and lies and innuendo under the guise of “free speech” is getting ridiculous.
    you know, i just made a fatal mistake. i read a post on instagram by rogan, and parroted it here. i really should have looked it up before believing what rogan wrote. 

    my bad. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    the article I read from his former paper.

    interesting quote near the end....

    https://news.yahoo.com/glenn-greenwald-resigns-intercept-over-200329723.html

    Co-founder of news site accuses editors of seeking to censor article critical of Joe BidenThe investigative journalist Glenn Greenwald has resigned abruptly fr...

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  • More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
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  • I'm just trying to not lose my objectivity based on what I want to happen. 
  • mickeyrat said:
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
    So did you watch the interview? 
  • dignin
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    mickeyrat said:
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
    I agree. Greenwald is a blowhard who has a history of making himself the center of the story. Always plays the victim.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    mickeyrat said:
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
    So did you watch the interview? 

    can't do rogan anymore. incredibly biased against biden.  verbally claims trump is a dumbfuck but am not sure about his truthfullness.. not being a journalist I have no expectation of objectivity from him but put in some effort towards that...
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  • mickeyrat said:
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
    So did you watch the interview? 
    I’m not supporting JRE and his willingness to give platforms to white supremacist, white nationalists or conspiracy theory hawkers under the guise of “free speech” or “they have interesting view points” or “they should be heard in a free, democratic society.” Poppycock. Let those scumbags sit outside the post office like the Free Lyndon LaRouche supporters used to do or, become a media sensation and go satellite to spew your hateful, factless garbage.

    Yea, pointing out that his editors had a different take on his reasons for his resignation and the other facts about his friendship with Pucker Carlson, Steve “The ends justify the means” O and his work on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat and Putin on the ritz certainly means I’m driving an agenda. What do you know of the Epoch Times? Talk about driving an agenda.
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  • And I wonder how many of the posters on here realize that Putin on the ritz and his troll bot farms have moved from faceturd and Twitter to more insidious disinformation tactics by flooding Instagram with fake profiles and direct texts to cell phones. It’s not difficult to buy those cell phone numbers in micro-targeting efforts of voting districts and precincts. 
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  • mickeyrat said:
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
    So did you watch the interview? 
    I’m not supporting JRE and his willingness to give platforms to white supremacist, white nationalists or conspiracy theory hawkers under the guise of “free speech” or “they have interesting view points” or “they should be heard in a free, democratic society.” Poppycock. Let those scumbags sit outside the post office like the Free Lyndon LaRouche supporters used to do or, become a media sensation and go satellite to spew your hateful, factless garbage.

    Yea, pointing out that his editors had a different take on his reasons for his resignation and the other facts about his friendship with Pucker Carlson, Steve “The ends justify the means” O and his work on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat and Putin on the ritz certainly means I’m driving an agenda. What do you know of the Epoch Times? Talk about driving an agenda.
    So you didn't watch or listen to it, but will outright dismiss anything that's on it? Got it. This is the JRE thread no? Was I posting in the wrong place?
  • mickeyrat said:
    More left eating the left. Disappointing. He co-founded the company he just resigned from yeah? Wouldn't that be finding your own platform? 
    Left? He’s friends with Pucker Carlson and has been spreading Putin on the ritz’s misinformation on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. Resigning to go off and spew factless allegations is what he should do, if he wants to be honest about it.
    Did you watch the interview on JRE? Or are you just towing the party line? I'm as desperate as anyone else for Trump to lose, but his criticism is worth listening to at the very least. In my opinion anyway. 
    2 parties to this dispute.
    hear both, employ critical thinking, decide  for yourself.

    from the article I posted...

    In his resignation statement, Greenwald also said he had been “exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet” and was working with journalists and commentators “across the political spectrum” in order to secure funding.


    suggests to me this was a stunt to get far right dollars.. .
    So did you watch the interview? 
    I’m not supporting JRE and his willingness to give platforms to white supremacist, white nationalists or conspiracy theory hawkers under the guise of “free speech” or “they have interesting view points” or “they should be heard in a free, democratic society.” Poppycock. Let those scumbags sit outside the post office like the Free Lyndon LaRouche supporters used to do or, become a media sensation and go satellite to spew your hateful, factless garbage.

    Yea, pointing out that his editors had a different take on his reasons for his resignation and the other facts about his friendship with Pucker Carlson, Steve “The ends justify the means” O and his work on behalf of Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat and Putin on the ritz certainly means I’m driving an agenda. What do you know of the Epoch Times? Talk about driving an agenda.
    So you didn't watch or listen to it, but will outright dismiss anything that's on it? Got it. This is the JRE thread no? Was I posting in the wrong place?
    Was Greenwald not a guest of JRE? Again, I’m not giving support to a platform that promotes hate. That doesn’t mean I’m unlearned, ignorant or clueless about the issue being discussed in the Joe Rogan thread, his guest, Greenwald.
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  • As with anything, I would encourage people to watch the whole thing with Glenn Greenwald and form their own opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreement, but blasting someone for having a differing opinion when you didn't even take in the information provided, isn't very objective. Again, in my opinion. 
  • As with anything, I would encourage people to watch the whole thing with Glenn Greenwald and form their own opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreement, but blasting someone for having a differing opinion when you didn't even take in the information provided, isn't very objective. Again, in my opinion. 
    What other sources of information have you accessed regarding Glen Greenwald’s accusations or criticisms of Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden to form your objective opinion?
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  • And for what it's worth. The interview with Rogan was conducted before his resignation.
  • mickeyrat
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    As with anything, I would encourage people to watch the whole thing with Glenn Greenwald and form their own opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreement, but blasting someone for having a differing opinion when you didn't even take in the information provided, isn't very objective. Again, in my opinion. 

    and how much time have you given to the ed boards point of view on this? you know, to form an informed opinion....
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  • As with anything, I would encourage people to watch the whole thing with Glenn Greenwald and form their own opinion. Nothing wrong with disagreement, but blasting someone for having a differing opinion when you didn't even take in the information provided, isn't very objective. Again, in my opinion. 
    What other sources of information have you accessed regarding Glen Greenwald’s accusations or criticisms of Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden to form your objective opinion?
    Did you have something to add about the conversation Glenn had on the show? 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,400
    This is where I got my information from.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-intercept-resigns/

    I don't listen or watch JRE.
    It's a hopeless situation...