The Joe Rogan Thread

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,246
    dignin said:
    Boneheads like Joe Rogan shouldn't be giving out medical advice.
    no no. its okay. he owns a supplement company. he knows what he's talking about

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mickeyrat said:
    dignin said:
    Boneheads like Joe Rogan shouldn't be giving out medical advice.
    no no. its okay. he owns a supplement company. he knows what he's talking about

    Even better qualification, he’s rich and successful and we all know they get that way by being smart!
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i tune in to joe when i want to feel better about my own level of intelligence.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    he has a ton of knowledge about a wide range of topics, and especially topics that are very anecdotal and of interest to him. unfortunately he applies very unsound logic to some of them. 

    I wish he'd stay away from the meathead banter like this about very important topics. Sometimes I think he forgets the influence he has and that a lot of people honestly think he's some sort of genius. 
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    His neck is about the same size as his bloated roid head, I doubt it's even possible.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    dignin said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    His neck is about the same size as his bloated roid head, I doubt it's even possible.
    I know he’s on testosterone replacement therapy (like many men of that age?), but I believe I’ve read that the amount is nothing at all like others who use them unnecessarily.

    Keep on digging, dignin. I know you hate his guts =)
  • Mikemzl91Mikemzl91 Posts: 496
    I don't like his muscles.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    hedonist said:
    dignin said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    His neck is about the same size as his bloated roid head, I doubt it's even possible.
    I know he’s on testosterone replacement therapy (like many men of that age?), but I believe I’ve read that the amount is nothing at all like others who use them unnecessarily.

    Keep on digging, dignin. I know you hate his guts =)
     ;) 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,246
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    you could fill the library of congress with Rogan stupid remarks
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited April 2021
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not. 

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
    His advice to young adults about the vaccine suggests otherwise. 

    I know you're a fan, and I respect your opinion. With that being said I don't see any comments here that are over the top or excessive... I think most of what's been said here is pretty fair and well deserved. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not. 

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
    I don't like anyone who regularly propagates misinformation.

    Nothing personal against meathead.

    I think it's more problematic that his dangerous opinions get a pass because people like him.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
    His advice to young adults about the vaccine suggests otherwise. 

    I know you're a fan, and I respect your opinion. With that being said I don't see any comments here that are over the top or excessive... I think most of what's been said here is pretty fair and well deserved. 
    the thing is, it's the usual suspects that come here only when he says something stupid or irresponsible. they are dead silent when he has a reputable person on speaking about subjects that are topical and that he obviously understands. they just pounce on the low hanging fruit. 

    everyone of his similar stature has an opinion on things; some care about the potential backlash of saying it publicly. he doesn't. he has said numerous times to people who are just becoming famous/known: "don't read the comments". 

    I honestly wish he did care; there a lot of people that follow him that probably do take his word on things they shouldn't, because he is often bang on some topics. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    The quality of your guest shouldn't determine the level of your intellect.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
    His advice to young adults about the vaccine suggests otherwise. 

    I know you're a fan, and I respect your opinion. With that being said I don't see any comments here that are over the top or excessive... I think most of what's been said here is pretty fair and well deserved. 
    Well, you see the ‘roid and meathead remarks, so...

    I don’t think he should be given a pass due to his guests (yes, Faxxxxii!), and as I said, it was an irresponsible, even uninformed, thing for him to say.

    I consider one version of a fool to be someone who relies on a sole person/organization as their news source. Thank goodness I don’t.

    Joe, like the rest of us peons, is quite fallible ;)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
    His advice to young adults about the vaccine suggests otherwise. 

    I know you're a fan, and I respect your opinion. With that being said I don't see any comments here that are over the top or excessive... I think most of what's been said here is pretty fair and well deserved. 
    Well, you see the ‘roid and meathead remarks, so...

    I don’t think he should be given a pass due to his guests (yes, Faxxxxii!), and as I said, it was an irresponsible, even uninformed, thing for him to say.

    I consider one version of a fool to be someone who relies on a sole person/organization as their news source. Thank goodness I don’t.

    Joe, like the rest of us peons, is quite fallible ;)
    But, is he immutable?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    I respect your opinions Hedo & Hugh. 

    I wish Rogan deferred to experts as much as his defenders claim he does. 
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    He made a pretty stupid remark.

    Hang him, you torch-bearing motherfuckers!
    He can't be criticized for giving shit advice about the vaccine? 
    Absolutely, as I think he should be. 

    It seems like many just don’t like him for their own reasons, and stuff like this shouldn’t negate everything else he’s said. I typically find him to be honest, knowledgeable, and open/willing to listen in subjects where he is not

    (Then again, I don’t listen every day and certainly don’t take his word as gospel.)
    His advice to young adults about the vaccine suggests otherwise. 

    I know you're a fan, and I respect your opinion. With that being said I don't see any comments here that are over the top or excessive... I think most of what's been said here is pretty fair and well deserved. 
    Well, you see the ‘roid and meathead remarks, so...

    I don’t think he should be given a pass due to his guests (yes, Faxxxxii!), and as I said, it was an irresponsible, even uninformed, thing for him to say.

    I consider one version of a fool to be someone who relies on a sole person/organization as their news source. Thank goodness I don’t.

    Joe, like the rest of us peons, is quite fallible ;)
    But, is he immutable?
    When I rule the volume, yes :lol:

    Merkin, thank you; it’s mutual. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    I respect your opinions Hedo & Hugh. 

    I wish Rogan deferred to experts as much as his defenders claim he does. 
    like i've said before, he does when he actually is speaking with them. he has this strange dichotomy where, in person with an expert in any given field, he will listen and "interesting....interesting" and bounce ideas back and forth. but when it's just him and another lay person, he speaks as if he knows what he's talking about. 

    and then he hides behind "i'm just a meathead in my basement getting high and chatting with my friends". that's fine if you have 100 followers, but when millions listen to you and believe you know what you're talking about? not so fine. 

    the unfortunate part is, most, if not all of us here, can tell the difference, while there are just too many people that don't/can't/won't. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,916
    "Joe Rogan's entire being condensed down to 19 seconds..."

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    I respect your opinions Hedo & Hugh. 

    I wish Rogan deferred to experts as much as his defenders claim he does. 
    like i've said before, he does when he actually is speaking with them. he has this strange dichotomy where, in person with an expert in any given field, he will listen and "interesting....interesting" and bounce ideas back and forth. but when it's just him and another lay person, he speaks as if he knows what he's talking about. 

    and then he hides behind "i'm just a meathead in my basement getting high and chatting with my friends". that's fine if you have 100 followers, but when millions listen to you and believe you know what you're talking about? not so fine. 

    the unfortunate part is, most, if not all of us here, can tell the difference, while there are just too many people that don't/can't/won't. 
    That's generous.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    "Joe Rogan's entire being condensed down to 19 seconds..."

    https://youtu.be/BKrf7mX_R6M
    LMAO
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    I respect your opinions Hedo & Hugh. 

    I wish Rogan deferred to experts as much as his defenders claim he does. 
    like i've said before, he does when he actually is speaking with them. he has this strange dichotomy where, in person with an expert in any given field, he will listen and "interesting....interesting" and bounce ideas back and forth. but when it's just him and another lay person, he speaks as if he knows what he's talking about. 

    and then he hides behind "i'm just a meathead in my basement getting high and chatting with my friends". that's fine if you have 100 followers, but when millions listen to you and believe you know what you're talking about? not so fine. 

    the unfortunate part is, most, if not all of us here, can tell the difference, while there are just too many people that don't/can't/won't. 
    That's generous.
    from what i can tell, my statement is accurate. unless there's someone you have in mind.....
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    edited April 2021
    I'll wait for a certain poster to have another Jack Nicholson A Few Good Men moment and demand names.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,378
    edited April 2021
    I respect your opinions Hedo & Hugh. 

    I wish Rogan deferred to experts as much as his defenders claim he does. 
    like i've said before, he does when he actually is speaking with them. he has this strange dichotomy where, in person with an expert in any given field, he will listen and "interesting....interesting" and bounce ideas back and forth. but when it's just him and another lay person, he speaks as if he knows what he's talking about. 

    and then he hides behind "i'm just a meathead in my basement getting high and chatting with my friends". that's fine if you have 100 followers, but when millions listen to you and believe you know what you're talking about? not so fine. 

    the unfortunate part is, most, if not all of us here, can tell the difference, while there are just too many people that don't/can't/won't. 
    That's generous.
    from what i can tell, my statement is accurate. unless there's someone you have in mind.....

    People who take information from sources they shouldn't and run with it?
    Damn, all over.
    Probably 20% of the sources cited in the Rona thread, alone.
    edit -- OK, 20% still leaves 80% as most.  I am probably being too generous, as well.***
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