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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    shecky said:

    This is all very confusing.  Every time there is a mass shooting, I hear the right wing say the problem is that it was a "gun free" zone and only the good guys follow the law.  So the question is, why is it a problem for this guy, or anyone to carry a weapon at Trump's political rallies?  What, we check our 2A rights at the door?  That doesn't make any sense and it isn't consistent with the talking points after school, church and other public shootings.  Maybe you can explain why guns are good for everywhere except around Trump rallies.  
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,652

    This is fascinating.


  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    How is it fascinating? It’s a guy that moved his head while speaking and avoided something hitting it. This happens in literally everyday life. “Wow, if I hadn’t moved my foot at that second, those scissors would have severed my toe”. Those circumstances happen literally every day to everyone on earth. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,008
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    How is it fascinating? It’s a guy that moved his head while speaking and avoided something hitting it. This happens in literally everyday life. “Wow, if I hadn’t moved my foot at that second, those scissors would have severed my toe”. Those circumstances happen literally every day to everyone on earth. 
    easy now, you are cutting into the narrative that trump is a: superman, and b: an angel's hand came down from heaven and deflected the bullet from hitting his head.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    This is all very confusing.  Every time there is a mass shooting, I hear the right wing say the problem is that it was a "gun free" zone and only the good guys follow the law.  So the question is, why is it a problem for this guy, or anyone to carry a weapon at Trump's political rallies?  What, we check our 2A rights at the door?  That doesn't make any sense and it isn't consistent with the talking points after school, church and other public shootings.  Maybe you can explain why guns are good for everywhere except around Trump rallies.  
    You're not suggesting ol' sheck here is making a disingenuous argument, are ya?
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    I'm sitting this one out
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    How is it fascinating? It’s a guy that moved his head while speaking and avoided something hitting it. This happens in literally everyday life. “Wow, if I hadn’t moved my foot at that second, those scissors would have severed my toe”. Those circumstances happen literally every day to everyone on earth. 
    It's fascinating in that a last second turn to a teleprompter was the difference between life and death
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    How is it fascinating? It’s a guy that moved his head while speaking and avoided something hitting it. This happens in literally everyday life. “Wow, if I hadn’t moved my foot at that second, those scissors would have severed my toe”. Those circumstances happen literally every day to everyone on earth. 
    It's fascinating in that a last second turn to a teleprompter was the difference between life and death
    Yeah, like I said, this kind of stuff literally happens every minute. Nothing fascinating about it. Happenstance. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    What's fascinating to me is that he did not even require stitches, yet wears an enormous bandage. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    The Juggler said:
    What's fascinating to me is that he did not even require stitches, yet wears an enormous bandage. 
    Well, at least now he has an excuse other than narcissism for not listening to right-hand men. 
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,652
    pjl44 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    How is it fascinating? It’s a guy that moved his head while speaking and avoided something hitting it. This happens in literally everyday life. “Wow, if I hadn’t moved my foot at that second, those scissors would have severed my toe”. Those circumstances happen literally every day to everyone on earth. 
    It's fascinating in that a last second turn to a teleprompter was the difference between life and death
    Yeah, that's it. Seems to have gone over everybody else's head.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    benjs said:
    The Juggler said:
    What's fascinating to me is that he did not even require stitches, yet wears an enormous bandage. 
    Well, at least now he has an excuse other than narcissism for not listening to right-hand men. 
    HA!

    That's a bingo. Well done. 
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,652

    Would-be Trump assassin ID’d as ‘suspicious’ over an hour before shooting: source.

    The gunman who attempted to assassinate former President Trump on Saturday was identified as suspicious by law enforcement more than an hour before he opened fire, Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told Fox News after a briefing between Senate lawmakers and the U.S. Secret Service.

    “He was identified as a character of suspicion because [he had] a rangefinder as well as a backpack. And this was over an hour before the shooting actually occurred,” Barrasso said. “So, you would think over the course of that hour, you shouldn't lose sight of the individual. Somebody ought to be following up on those sorts of things. No evidence of that happening at all.”

    Fox News was told that the Secret Service was aware of the threat before Trump walked on stage and narrowly survived an assassination attempt.

    A Secret Service agent in charge of security for the event was on the phone with local and state police about the threat while the shooting took place, Barrasso said.

    Barrasso said there was no talk of reports that local officers engaged with the shooter before he opened fire.

    "They shut it after just a couple of questions and didn't get to any of the meat of the matter," Barrasso said.

    Barrasso called for U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle to resign.

    "The American people shouldn't feel comfortable with this," Barrasso said. "This is a total failure [on behalf of] the Secret Service. We need replacement at the top."

    Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., who also took part in a briefing with the Secret Service and the FBI, said she was “appalled to learn the Secret Service knew about a threat prior to President Trump walking on stage.”

    “I have no confidence in the leadership of Director Cheatle and believe it is in the best interest of our nation if she steps down from her position,” Blackburn wrote in a post on X. 

    Fox News’ Aisha Hasnie contributed to this report.

    Posted by Bradford Betz
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited July 2024
    Biden
    Wow so the secret service knew about it sheck?! Do you think they provided the ketchup packets as well?

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Biden
    shecky said:

    This is fascinating.


    Except he wasn’t hit with a bullet,  a bullet would have ripped through and taken a piece of his ear off.  Supposedly it was a shard off the teleprompter that hit him 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,352
    Biden
    Can’t believe that secret service head hasn’t resigned 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Can’t believe that secret service head hasn’t resigned 
    Yeah, she’s embarrassing herself. She defends not putting anyone on that roof before it was sloped. The slop was pretty small and the anti-snipers were in a more sloped roof. She needs to go
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,008
    Biden
    did his head go back and to the left? would be consistent with a shot from the front right.

    back and to the left

    back and to the left

    back and to the left





    back


    (dramatic pause)



    and to the left.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,994
    From someone I know. Not that it’ll make a difference.

    I am recirculating the column below, from March and June, because:

    The future of American democracy is at risk and on the ballot right now. Let us all rally, organize, agitate, and recommit ourselves and our communities to this constitutional republic before it's too late.

    The author served two Republican US senators and two Republican governors)

     

    A charismatic extremist threatens the democratic order. His appeal is grounded in a far-right nationalism aimed at angry, aggrieved people. He exploits the electoral process and foments violence.  Political opponents are baffled and careless. An octogenarian president appears to be the bulwark against the threat of a would-be dictatorship.

    This is a picture of America in the run-up to the 2024 election.  It is also the story of the rise of Adolf Hitler and the end of the Weimar Republic in 1929-33.

    A comparison of the two eras is prompted by Donald Trump himself. Astoundingly he echoes the terrifying fanaticism of Hitler, dehumanizing adversaries as “vermin to be rooted out,”denigrating unwanted immigrants “poisoning the blood of our country,” and expressing admiration for Hitler’s “loyal generals.”

    So, does the German road to fascism 90 years ago offer insights into America’s path today? Is the US sleepwalking through our version of the catastrophic Weimar period that brought fascism and disaster?

    - - - - -

    In 1923, Hitler, an embittered World War One veteran, staged the "Beer Hall Putsch," a brief, bloody attack on a German state government. Imprisoned for treason, he had succeeded in creating martyrs for his nascent extreme cause. But it was the scarcity and desperation of the Depression, beginning in 1929, that enabled Hitler's rise. One-third of the population was unemployed, support for extremists on the right and the left surged, and Germany’s first democratic government (named after the city of Weimar) foundered.

    Hitler captivated crowds numbering in the tens of thousands, preaching betrayal by elites and victimization. In one election his previously fringe National Socialist German Workers' (Nazi) Party increased its seats in the parliament, the Reichstag, eightfold. Two million Nazi paramilitary “stormtroopers" harassed opposition political parties, unions, and, most ominously, Jews. Dozens were killed in riots.

    Coalition governments were made feeble by gridlock fostered by Hitler. Conservatives, viewing the Nazis as a safeguard against communists, moved further to the right, seeking to coopt the popularity of the fascists. With the Reichstag paralyzed, President Paul von Hindenburg, an aristocratic 83-year-old war hero, could only rule through unilateral decrees.

    In early 1933, hoping in vain that he could stave off Hitler, Hindenburg recklessly appointed the Nazi leader the chancellor of a final "government of national concentration.” The infamous "Reichstag fire” suspiciously destroyed the parliament weeks later. Creating evidence to implicate the communists, Hitler forced the enactment of a catastrophic "enabling act" giving him absolute power. Kit was the "most monstrous resolution ever demanded of a parliament," declared one failed chancellor.

    Opposition parties were soon banned, and dissent was ended. The Weimar Republic died. The horrors of #Nazi Germany began and would last until 1945.

    - - - -

    The similarities between the advent of @German @fascism and the Trump phenomenon today -- alienation, xenophobia, personality cult, political @violence -- are striking, frightening, and perhaps suggestive of an American future.

    @Trump openly aspires to be a dictator, but “only for one day,” though history clearly informs us that dictatorships are long-term. He has justified the “termination” of the @Constitution (to reverse the 2020 election), unilateral deployment of #federal troops into “Democrat-run” states, and the vengeful use of the @JusticeDepartment to persecute political enemies. He campaigns with a promise to pardon those rightfully convicted and imprisoned for his failed January 6 #coup.

    The Trump #presidency and the @Capitol assault were episodes of “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict,” writes Barbara Walter, the author of How Civil Wars Start and How to Stop The Next who has advised the #CIA on foreign threats. Further erosion in @democratic institutions and increased support for #authoritarianism, she predicts, can bring “open conflict” in the US.

    - - - - -

    In 2012, esteemed political scholars @NormOrnstein and @ThomasMann wrote that “the @GOP has become an insurgent outlier in America @politics … ideologically extreme, scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of the political opposition.”

    Twelve years later, Trump’s @MAGA @Republicans -- branded by insurrection, pledging allegiance to falsehoods, and practicing the routinization of radicalism -- are an ever-greater danger.

    A reckoning is due. We must confront ruinous extremism and treacherous @partisanship at every juncture. It is imperative that adherence to our foundational democratic principles and to the #Constitution be absolute.

    How can we, all of us, defend democracy in our daily lives?

    1)    Be active in our neighborhoods and communities.

    2)    Demand nonpartisan electoral reforms, such as fair political districting, open primaries, and campaign finance reform.

    3)    Find, use, and support credible, independent, and nonpartisan sources of news.

    4) Vote!

    We are living a national nightmare. The future of #American #democracy is at risk and on the ballot. Let us all wake up, rapidly.

    --- END ---

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  • Spurs14
    Spurs14 Buffalo Grove, IL Posts: 327
    edited July 2024
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    did his head go back and to the left? would be consistent with a shot from the front right.

    back and to the left

    back and to the left

    back and to the left





    back


    (dramatic pause)



    and to the left.

    If it was a magic loogie, FBI needs to have a chat with McDowell.
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,652
    Joey? Nope.
    Kammie? Nope.
    Gavin? Nope.
    Dr. Jill? Hmmm...



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