Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mickeyrat

Biden

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

brianlux

Biden

It's worth taking a few minutes to familiarize with Project 2025 and it's parent company, The Heritage Foundation, and Wikipedia sums both up quite well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

What concerns me is that an argument could be made that Trump actually makes this plan less likely to happen that it could be.  Trump has scared off a few Republican lawmakers, but you'd think even more would be distancing from him.  So if all these lawmakers are willing to go along with someone that unhinged, imagine what would happen if they groomed someone who is a proponent of the Heritage Foundation ideals who can at least act a lot more stable, who can speak in complete intelligible sentences, who presents better than an old overweight perpetually scowling crank and who is more charismatic.  Combine that with the fact that millions upon million of (I would argue, poorly educated) Americans who blindly follow the like of Trump, and it's easier to see that our threat to Democracy is much larger than  one man.

Yes, I know, disturbing thoughts.  Well, sorry to say, more of us need to contemplate these horrors

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

Red states will pass legislation to allow and the Feds won’t be party to appeals.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

You seem to keep dismissing what 2025 Project supporters and their ilk are trying to accomplish. They’re telling you their vision. POOTWH is the means, not the end. That empty suit doesn’t have a clue on how any of this works but he’ll support it for the adoring crowds and to stay out of prison and to prevent the PTAPE from being released. POOTWH will die someday eventually but there are other adherents waiting in the wings. As Lux mentioned, someone much smarter and polished picks up the torch and gets elected, turn out the lights.

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

Red states will pass legislation to allow and the Feds won’t be party to appeals.

They wouldn't be anyway.  10th Amendment. 

The only other issue is if the law violated federal law.  And even in that case a private group could sue even if the feds didn't join or file amicus.

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

You seem to keep dismissing what 2025 Project supporters and their ilk are trying to accomplish. They’re telling you their vision. POOTWH is the means, not the end. That empty suit doesn’t have a clue on how any of this works but he’ll support it for the adoring crowds and to stay out of prison and to prevent the PTAPE from being released. POOTWH will die someday eventually but there are other adherents waiting in the wings. As Lux mentioned, someone much smarter and polished picks up the torch and gets elected, turn out the lights.

I understand what they want.  I just don't think they can accomplish it.  And even if they do succeed at the unitary president in some capacity,  the next D president has the same powers.  

mrussel1

Biden

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

Red states will pass legislation to allow and the Feds won’t be party to appeals.

They wouldn't be anyway.  10th Amendment. 

The only other issue is if the law violated federal law.  And even in that case a private group could sue even if the feds didn't join or file amicus.

DOJ routinely joins and/or files briefs or takes the lead in cases the executive, POTUS, feels strongly about, provided they can exhibit an interest and standing. Which cases have more clout? Those filed by a sole complainant or ones where the feds join in?

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

So you think the FBI will be disbanded? I don't. 

If 45 becomes 47 everything is on the table. We might not even have a functioning federal government a year from now.

As much as I am not a fan of Biden this is what scares me with Trump. The retribution tour and just destroying things with no plan. I don’t think all is bad, but because it will just be retribution and they won’t have a well thought out plan, it will all end badly 

so what do you think project 2025 is then? halfbaked bullshit?

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1785301560115052923?s=19

People need to wake the fuck up. In case you’re not a twitter link clicker:

“What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen.”

What a bunch of nonsense.  How would he "let" red states monitor pregnancies, and if he could do that, why wouldn't he do it in blue states too?

You seem to keep dismissing what 2025 Project supporters and their ilk are trying to accomplish. They’re telling you their vision. POOTWH is the means, not the end. That empty suit doesn’t have a clue on how any of this works but he’ll support it for the adoring crowds and to stay out of prison and to prevent the PTAPE from being released. POOTWH will die someday eventually but there are other adherents waiting in the wings. As Lux mentioned, someone much smarter and polished picks up the torch and gets elected, turn out the lights.

I understand what they want.  I just don't think they can accomplish it.  And even if they do succeed at the unitary president in some capacity,  the next D president has the same powers.  

Provided there is a "next D president."

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

You're one of "those," aren't you? One of thoooooooooooooose.

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

You're one of "those," aren't you? One of thoooooooooooooose.

Actually I never say a word.  But I had a William and Mary shirt and he was on his way there .  He was also GC of a bank I did business with so wet knew the same people.  
Normally I like to sit in complete silence. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

You're one of "those," aren't you? One of thoooooooooooooose.

Actually I never say a word.  But I had a William and Mary shirt and he was on his way there .  He was also GC of a bank I did business with so wet knew the same people.  
Normally I like to sit in complete silence. 

I read that as you had a Bloody Mary shot and he was on his way. How many drinks did he have?

I'm the same. I just go Zen, try to sleep, not move and wake up however many hours later at my destination. Flying isn't fun anymore.

mrussel1

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

You're one of "those," aren't you? One of thoooooooooooooose.

Actually I never say a word.  But I had a William and Mary shirt and he was on his way there .  He was also GC of a bank I did business with so wet knew the same people.  
Normally I like to sit in complete silence. 

I read that as you had a Bloody Mary shot and he was on his way. How many drinks did he have?

I'm the same. I just go Zen, try to sleep, not move and wake up however many hours later at my destination. Flying isn't fun anymore.

Flying sucks.  I'm paranoid about laying my head back and snoring.   THAT'S the guy I don't want to be. 

brianlux

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

You're one of "those," aren't you? One of thoooooooooooooose.

Actually I never say a word.  But I had a William and Mary shirt and he was on his way there .  He was also GC of a bank I did business with so wet knew the same people.  
Normally I like to sit in complete silence. 

I read that as you had a Bloody Mary shot and he was on his way. How many drinks did he have?

I'm the same. I just go Zen, try to sleep, not move and wake up however many hours later at my destination. Flying isn't fun anymore.

Flying sucks.  I'm paranoid about laying my head back and snoring.   THAT'S the guy I don't want to be. 

Flying's for the birds.  Besides, I'm self-grounded for life.  Be safe when you're up there!

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

I agree that it would be difficult to achieve wholesale change, but they don’t need to replace the majority of career officials. By replacing some and arresting a few for non compliance , trump will be able to intimidate enough officials to achieve his goals.

he and his inside circle are well aware of the obstruction from his first term. They now have an eight year head start and the knowledge necessary to better achieve their goals.

mrussel1

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Two weeks ago I was flying back from Dallas to Richmond and I sat next to a law professor from TCU and we chatted the entire time.  He was also a former federal prosecutor.   I told him I was worried about Trump's ability to damage foreign policy and even he doubted his ability to change policy, that the FSOs are so entrenched and influential that he could never get it done in one term.  And that's even if he was disciplined,  which he isn't.  We talked about the rest of the Deep State and that is even more entrenched.  He made compelling arguments.  

I don't doubt that there would be some replacing of career officials with political appointees at the very senior level,  but I don't think there will be some wholesale change to political deep state.

I agree that it would be difficult to achieve wholesale change, but they don’t need to replace the majority of career officials. By replacing some and arresting a few for non compliance , trump will be able to intimidate enough officials to achieve his goals.

he and his inside circle are well aware of the obstruction from his first term. They now have an eight year head start and the knowledge necessary to better achieve their goals.

Arresting for non-compliance?  Failing to do your job is not a criminal offense anywhere, other than the military.  

mickeyrat

Biden

well now.....

https://www.threads.net/@anxious_opposition/post/C6pBmaFLnE6/?xmt=AQGzZtposzFunshGQGOImO98QslYhiDJZtsDNXct3pvVVQ

mickeyrat

Biden

FUCK YOU, PAY ME........

https://apnews.com/article/rudy-giuliani-bankruptcy-judge-7ee7fa1fa5885e8114060a87b481f7b8   Giuliani bankruptcy judge frustrated with case, rebuffs attempt to challenge $148 million judgment

 

NY State Wire

Giuliani bankruptcy judge frustrated with case, rebuffs attempt to challenge $148 million judgment

By MICHAEL HILL

14 May 2024

The judge overseeing Rudy Giuliani's bankruptcy case said he was “disturbed” so little progress has been made in sorting out his finances, and refused Tuesday to lift a legal barrier that has kept the former New York City mayor from appealing a $148 million defamation judgment.

Giuliani declared bankruptc y in December after he was ordered to pay the staggering sum to two former election workers for spreading a false conspiracy theory about their role in the 2020 election.

Since then, Giuliani has missed deadlines to file financial disclosure reports. He hasn't succeeded in selling residences in New York and Florida. Last week, he was suspended from WABC Radio, where he had a daily show, over what the station called his repeated violation of a ban on discussing discredited 2020 election claims.

“They have done nothing. They sold nothing. They settled nothing," said Rachel Strickland, an attorney representing the election workers. She accused Giuliani of getting fired on purpose by “deliberately flouting his employer’s restrictions.”

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“I agree with you,” U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane responded. “And I am disturbed about the status of this case."

Attorneys for Giuliani said he has additional work lined up to bring in money, though they didn't say what kind of work that was. Giuliani's Manhattan apartment could soon be liquidated, they said. His attorneys said issues have been ironed out and necessary financial filings will also be made. Giuliani faces accusations from a slew of people who say he potentially owes them money.

“They finally have, I think, gotten things on track,” said his lawyer, Heath Berger.

The judge rejected a request from Giuliani, though, to lift an automatic stay so that he could pursue post-judgment litigation in the defamation case. Creditors' lawyers argued that doing so would delay the bankruptcy proceeding.

Lane also addressed a request from lawyers for the election workers that Giuliani be barred from making additional defamatory statements against them. While holding off on a decision, Lane said there was already a court decision on the matter and he was "not going to let this court be used as a place where parties can flout the requirements of the law.”

“Tell your client to stop," Lane told lawyers for Giuliani. "It's not complicated.”

Lawyers will meet with the judge again on Thursday to discuss the issue.