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BidenMerkin Baller said:
donald trump was found guilty of and convicted for no fewer than 34 felonies by a jury of 12 average Americans.mickeyrat said:9Merkin Baller said:mickeyrat said:Merkin Baller said:donald trump is a thirty four-time convicted felon.
didnt catch that. repeat it?
DONALD TRUMP IS A THIRTY-FOUR TIME CONVICTED FELON
I'm sorry. Please repeat.
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“If Biden gets asked at the debate to name one thing Trump accomplished, he should say, "Donald, the best thing you did was accelerate the process to develop these miraculous COVID vaccines that saved millions of lives." It would be a) true and b) would make Trump's head explode.”Also… trump’s a 34-time convicted felon.0
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(Need to click the Link to see the video)Trump in 2016: “She shouldn’t be allowed to run...If she wins, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. In that situation, we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and, ultimately, a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt.”0 -
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The level of hypocrisy is just off the charts.cutz said:https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1796553224293589011?t=IeLwIgu4It9k1F8pYTqzXg&s=03
(Need to click the Link to see the video)Trump in 2016: “She shouldn’t be allowed to run...If she wins, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. In that situation, we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and, ultimately, a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt.”Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Interesting choice of words… “grind government to a halt”cutz said:https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1796553224293589011?t=IeLwIgu4It9k1F8pYTqzXg&s=03
(Need to click the Link to see the video)Trump in 2016: “She shouldn’t be allowed to run...If she wins, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. In that situation, we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and, ultimately, a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt.”
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what a bunch of bozosMerkin Baller said:
Interesting choice of words… “grind government to a halt”cutz said:https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1796553224293589011?t=IeLwIgu4It9k1F8pYTqzXg&s=03
(Need to click the Link to see the video)Trump in 2016: “She shouldn’t be allowed to run...If she wins, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. In that situation, we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and, ultimately, a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt.”www.myspace.com0 -
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both of my clownass senators are on there. i am actually not really surprised by that.The Juggler said:
what a bunch of bozosMerkin Baller said:
Interesting choice of words… “grind government to a halt”cutz said:https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1796553224293589011?t=IeLwIgu4It9k1F8pYTqzXg&s=03
(Need to click the Link to see the video)Trump in 2016: “She shouldn’t be allowed to run...If she wins, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. In that situation, we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and, ultimately, a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt.”"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Add Guano to the list of future POOTWH pardons. Everything is a projection.
DoJ accuses far-right Epoch Times of being money-laundering operation
Media firm at center of scam involving about $67m, justice department alleges as it announces indictment of CFO Bill Guan
The far-right Epoch Times media company was at the center of a fraudulent money-laundering and cryptocurrency scam involving tens of millions of dollars, the justice department said on Monday as it announced the indictment of its chief financial officer Bill Guan.
The 61-year-old executive “conspired with others to participate in a sprawling, transnational scheme to launder at least approximately $67m of illegally obtained funds”, according to a statement from the US attorney’s office of the southern district of New York.
Proceeds went to the company, it said, and for the personal enrichment of individuals including Guan, who faces up to 70 years in prison on one count of conspiring to commit money laundering and two counts of bank fraud.
The attorney’s office said the charges did not relate to the newsgathering activities of the Manhattan-based Epoch Times, a media company popular with the conservative right wing for its often conspiratorial coverage of global politics and affairs, and outspoken criticism of the Chinese communist party.
Guan is accused of masterminding a scheme in which he managed the media company’s “Make Money Online” team overseas, the justice department said.
“Under Guan’s management, members of the team and others used cryptocurrency to knowingly purchase tens of millions of dollars in crime proceeds, including proceeds of fraudulently obtained unemployment insurance benefits, that had been loaded onto tens of thousands of prepaid debit cards,” the statement said.
The proceeds were then allegedly “laundered” through a certain cryptocurrency platform and turned into digital currency at 70 to 80 cents on the dollar, prosecutors said.
Team members then used stolen personal identification information to open accounts and funnel the profits there, and subsequently into accounts held in their own names.
Guan, of Secaucus, New Jersey, lied to investigators about the source of the money when they started looking into an extraordinary 410% increase in the Epoch Times’ annual revenue from approximately $15m to about $62m, the statement further alleges.
It said he claimed the boost in funds came from “donations”, and that Guan then “wrote a letter addressed to a congressional office falsely stating ‘donations’ constitute ‘an insignificant portion of the overall revenue’ of the media company”.
In October of last year, NBC News reported an even larger increase in the Epoch Times revenue base, of 685% over two years. NBC’s investigation charted the company’s rise from an obscure, fringe publication into a conservative powerhouse over a relatively short period of time, to the point it was directing millions of dollars into Donald Trump’s failed 2020 re-election campaign.
A 2021 report in the Guardian featured the Epoch Times among a number of US media outlets linked to Falun Gong, a religious movement engaged in decades-long opposition to the Chinese government.
One of the company’s aims, the report suggested, was to amplify efforts by Republicans to link Joe Biden and the Democratic party to the Chinese Communist party (CCP) and harden US public opinion against China.
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Bidennow from Wisconsin......https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-fake-electors-trump-2020-charges-77d00919fc8d8e07438076610090a9b1 Wisconsin attorney general files felony charges against attorneys, aide who worked for Trump in 2020Wisconsin attorney general files felony charges against attorneys, aide who worked for Trump in 2020By SCOTT BAUER4 mins ago
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul filed felony forgery charges against two attorneys and an aide who helped submit paperwork falsely saying that former President Donald Trump had won the battleground state in 2020.
The charges were filed against Trump attorneys Kenneth Chesebro and Jim Troupis and former Trump aide Mike Roman who allegedly delivered Wisconsin’s fake elector paperwork to a Pennsylvania congressman’s staffer in order to get them to Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6, 2021.
All three are due in Dane County Circuit Court on Sept. 19, according to court records.
Kaul, a Democrat, has faced pressure to bring action against the 10 fake electors, who have yet to be charged with any criminal wrongdoing. He has previously suggested that he was relying on federal investigators while also not ruling out a state probe.
Electors are people appointed to represent voters in presidential elections. The winner of the popular vote in each state determines which party’s electors are sent to the Electoral College, which meets in December after the election to certify the outcome.
The fake elector efforts are central to an August federal indictment filed against Trump alleging he tried to overturn results of the 2020 election. Federal prosecutors, investigating his conduct related to the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot, have also said the scheme originated in Wisconsin. Trump also faces charges in Georgia and has denied wrongdoing.
Michigan and Nevada have also criminally charged fake electors.
The Wisconsin electors, Chesebro and Troup all settled a civil lawsuit that was brought against them last year.
Documents released as part of those settlements showed that the strategy in Wisconsin replicated moves in six other swing states.
Trump lost Wisconsin to Biden, a Democrat, by fewer than 21,000 votes. Trump carried Wisconsin by a similar margin in 2016.
Wisconsin is one of a handful of swing states again this year.
Government and outside investigationshave uniformly found there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have swung the 2020 election. But Trump has continued to spread falsehoods about the election, particularly in Wisconsin.
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Bidenhttps://apnews.com/article/steve-bannon-contempt-jan-6-committee-prison-2da50bcf2f8ff8f3e01ef4bf2b1b845e Trump ally Steve Bannon must surrender to prison by July 1 to start contempt sentence, judge saysTrump ally Steve Bannon must surrender to prison by July 1 to start contempt sentence, judge saysBy ALANNA DURKIN RICHER2 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Steve Bannon, a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, must report to prison by July 1 to serve his four-month sentence for defying a subpoena from the House committee that investigated the U.S. Capitol insurrection, a federal judge ruled Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols in Washington granted the Justice Department's request to make Bannon begin his prison term after a federal appeals court panel last month upheld his contempt of Congress conviction.
Bannon is expected to seek a stay of the judge's order, which could delay his surrender date.
“I’ve got great lawyers, and we’re going to go all the way to the Supreme Court if we have to," Bannon told reporters outside the courthouse. He added: “There's not a prison built or jail built that will ever shut me up."
In a social media post Thursday, Trump accused prosecutors of being “desperate” to jail Bannon. Trump repeated his claim that Republicans are being persecuted by a politically motivated justice system — rhetoric that has escalated in the wake of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee's conviction last week on 34 felony charges in his New York hush money trial.
Nichols, the judge who ordered Bannon to report to prison, was nominated to the bench by Trump in 2018.
Bannon was convicted nearly two years ago of two counts of contempt of Congress: one for refusing to sit for a deposition with the Jan. 6 House Committee and the other for refusing to provide documents related to his involvement in Trump’s efforts to overturn his 2020 presidential election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.
Nichols had initially allowed him to remain free while he fought his conviction because the judge believed the case raised substantial legal questions. But during a hearing in Washington's federal court, Nichols said the calculus changed after the appeals court panel said all of Bannon’s challenges lack merit.
“I do not believe the original basis for my stay exists any longer,” Nichols said.
Bannon can appeal his conviction to the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court. Prosecutor John Crabb told the judge it was “very unlikely” Bannon would succeed in getting his conviction thrown out.
Bannon’s lawyer at trial argued that the former adviser didn’t ignore the subpoena but was still engaged in good-faith negotiations with the congressional committee when he was charged.
The defense has said Bannon had been acting on the advice of his attorney at the time, who told him that the subpoena was invalid because the committee would not allow a Trump lawyer in the room and that Bannon could not determine what documents or testimony he could provide because Trump has asserted executive privilege.
Defense lawyer David Schoen told the judge it would be unfair to send Bannon to prison now because he would complete his entire sentence before he exhausted his appeals. Schoen said the case raises “serious constitutional issues” that need to be examined by the Supreme Court.
“In this country, we don't send anyone to prison if they believe that they were doing something that complied with the law,” he told reporters.
A second Trump aide, trade adviser Peter Navarro, was also convicted of contempt of Congress. He reported to prison in March to serve his four-month sentence.
Navarro, too, had maintained that he couldn’t cooperate with the committee because Trump had invoked executive privilege. But courts have rejected that argument, finding Navarro couldn’t prove Trump had actually invoked it.
The House Jan. 6 committee’s final report asserted that Trump criminally engaged in a “multi-part conspiracy” to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 election and failed to act to stop his supporters from attacking the Capitol, concluding an extraordinary 18-month investigation into the former president and the violent insurrection.
Bannon is also facing criminal charges in New York state court alleging he duped donors who gave money to build a wall along the U.S. southern border. Bannon has pleaded not guilty to money laundering, conspiracy, fraud and other charges, and that trial has been postponed until at least the end of September.
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BidenCNN —
US job growth shot higher in May, jumping to 272,000, much higher than expected, while the nation’s jobless rate broke a 27-month streak of below 4% unemployment.
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BidenHughFreakingDillon said:CNN —
US job growth shot higher in May, jumping to 272,000, much higher than expected, while the nation’s jobless rate broke a 27-month streak of below 4% unemployment.
fucking brandon at it again.
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Dem chaos agents fucking everything up.mickeyrat said:HughFreakingDillon said:CNN —US job growth shot higher in May, jumping to 272,000, much higher than expected, while the nation’s jobless rate broke a 27-month streak of below 4% unemployment.
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Typical election year bullshit.mickeyrat said:HughFreakingDillon said:CNN —US job growth shot higher in May, jumping to 272,000, much higher than expected, while the nation’s jobless rate broke a 27-month streak of below 4% unemployment.
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people on the right differ as to whom the chicken is in this scenario. that is the problem.brianlux said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Or if Biden's the chicken, they think it's been braised in arsenic.HughFreakingDillon said:
people on the right differ as to whom the chicken is in this scenario. that is the problem.brianlux said:'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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BidenNo disrespect intended at all... To the Americans here... you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron...... and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.
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Is it too late to change the candidates at this point? For either side. If it's not, what is considered like the deadline for any change to be made?Toronto 2000
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"Each party holds a national convention to select a final presidential nominee." The Republican National Convention is July 15 - 18. The Democratic National Convention is August 19 - 22.Parksy said:No disrespect intended at all... To the Americans here... you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron...... and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.
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Is it too late to change the candidates at this point? For either side. If it's not, what is considered like the deadline for any change to be made?
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Evil versus appearance. About sums it up. Should be an easy call but you know, Hunter’s laptop.Parksy said:No disrespect intended at all... To the Americans here... you have an election upcoming between a convicted felon who is a life long hard core doosh bag, evil moron...... and an old man who looked completely lost in a field during a G7 meeting and who also looked like a confused mannequin at a Juneteenth ceremony.
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