Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

JimmyV

Biden

https://youtu.be/QL3EZwSJAh0

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

So again, how can people vote for a racist, science-hostile party that even now tries to find ways to defend trump

JimmyV

Biden

Fox News is untreated cancer rotting away at the body of this nation from the inside. 

EdsonNascimento

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

I will start again with - Biden is going to win/has won/whatever tense you want to use.   And regardless of what Trump says or does, he will remain Pres until 1/20/21 when Biden is inaugurated.  

That being said, the reason Az could be a concern is because the one place Trump has a legitimate legal argument is PA.  The legislature is given the right to set election law.  By PA law, ballots must be received by Election Day.  The governor, then “approved” by a judge, they extended the receipt date by 3 days.  Can’t do that without legislative approval. So, legally speaking, any ballots received after election day are illegal.   Trump has a better than 50/50 chance of all those ballots being thrown out by LAW.   And if election officials didn’t segregate those ballots, they run the risk of ALL the associated ballots (even technically legal ones) being thrown out.  Now, I wonder how many ballots that is.  That’s never been made clear as opposed to other states, PA has been less transparent about their process.  But I suspect if the bulk were received by Election Day, the governor would have stated that (if he did an I missed it, ok).   So, if the number is not too big, even this may not matter. 

Now, it does not appear such an issue (Legal) exists in any of the other states.  So, even when the inevitably find the miscast ballots (they will, they always do and just bc of the volume of mail ins will be greater), it won’t be in the thousands.   I think WI had like 150 margin change toward Trump in 2016 recount.  Even extrapolating for volume, that wouldn’t be near enough to change anything.

so, in regards to the statement of illegal ballots, Trump is technically correct. So, if you believe in laws, you really need to stop saying there aren’t any.  Now, courts will decide if they are legal, but as it stands today, by PA law, there are some ballots that are illegal (defined as : against the law) being counted in PA. That much is crystal clear. 

And all that may not matter if Biden doesn’t need PA which actually appears to be the case. That’s also why Roberts was smart not to get involved pre-election. He can successfully keep the SC out of it if there’s no impact.  That’s actually a criteria for SC to take a case in the first place.  But if it goes to SC, Trump has a good chance to win because, again, technically speaking according to law, he’s right. But that will only impact PA. The rest he needs ballot level proof for. 

I feel sorry for you if you really typed that out. But more likely you cut and pasted a interwebbery google search and selectively edited it, thinking you’re on to changing minds. Well, some, maybe, but not enough. Welcome to the HORROR! Boo!

Again- if it wasn't clear - I don't think any of it matters.  But, there is a potentially legit legal issue there (And only there).  My guess is it doesn't get very far because it winds up not even mattering.   But, I find it funny that people just want to stay ignorant on Facts. I didn't actually say anything controversial.   I actually point to the need to back up their claims of Fraud if they have it (which, again I point out is not signficant),

And, in case it got lost - I was not saying the COUNTING after data is illegal.  It's just narrowly about votes received after Election Day. Which is a clear legal matter. But, again, again - my guess is that's not proportionately significant.   

So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say I'm dredging up here.  What about what I said was wrong? If there is something factual incorrect, please enlighten me.

Now, you can say that law is stupid (i actually think it is - how can you expect something postmarked Election Day and received by Election Day?  Even the most efficient post office wouldn't have the happen?)  But, we have lots of stupid laws nobody ever thinks about until they need to think about them. Should that law be changed? Certainly.  But, you should be frightened if Executive and Judicial Branch can do that without legislative approval.  I think that's been part of the drum beat for the last 4 years, hasn't it?

But, feel free to stay ignorant.

EdsonNascimento

F Me In The Brain said:

Better than 50/50 chance by LAW?
Are you a judge in PA, specializing in their law?

Agreed. I should not have stated that.  I should have said - he has a chance. I have no idea the likelihood.   I was ascribing a higher chance b/c if it mattered, it will end up in the SC where he would seem to have at least a 50/50 chance. IF that occurs what do you think his chances would be?

mrussel1

Biden

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

I will start again with - Biden is going to win/has won/whatever tense you want to use.   And regardless of what Trump says or does, he will remain Pres until 1/20/21 when Biden is inaugurated.  

That being said, the reason Az could be a concern is because the one place Trump has a legitimate legal argument is PA.  The legislature is given the right to set election law.  By PA law, ballots must be received by Election Day.  The governor, then “approved” by a judge, they extended the receipt date by 3 days.  Can’t do that without legislative approval. So, legally speaking, any ballots received after election day are illegal.   Trump has a better than 50/50 chance of all those ballots being thrown out by LAW.   And if election officials didn’t segregate those ballots, they run the risk of ALL the associated ballots (even technically legal ones) being thrown out.  Now, I wonder how many ballots that is.  That’s never been made clear as opposed to other states, PA has been less transparent about their process.  But I suspect if the bulk were received by Election Day, the governor would have stated that (if he did an I missed it, ok).   So, if the number is not too big, even this may not matter. 

Now, it does not appear such an issue (Legal) exists in any of the other states.  So, even when the inevitably find the miscast ballots (they will, they always do and just bc of the volume of mail ins will be greater), it won’t be in the thousands.   I think WI had like 150 margin change toward Trump in 2016 recount.  Even extrapolating for volume, that wouldn’t be near enough to change anything.

so, in regards to the statement of illegal ballots, Trump is technically correct. So, if you believe in laws, you really need to stop saying there aren’t any.  Now, courts will decide if they are legal, but as it stands today, by PA law, there are some ballots that are illegal (defined as : against the law) being counted in PA. That much is crystal clear. 

And all that may not matter if Biden doesn’t need PA which actually appears to be the case. That’s also why Roberts was smart not to get involved pre-election. He can successfully keep the SC out of it if there’s no impact.  That’s actually a criteria for SC to take a case in the first place.  But if it goes to SC, Trump has a good chance to win because, again, technically speaking according to law, he’s right. But that will only impact PA. The rest he needs ballot level proof for. 

I feel sorry for you if you really typed that out. But more likely you cut and pasted a interwebbery google search and selectively edited it, thinking you’re on to changing minds. Well, some, maybe, but not enough. Welcome to the HORROR! Boo!

Again- if it wasn't clear - I don't think any of it matters.  But, there is a potentially legit legal issue there (And only there).  My guess is it doesn't get very far because it winds up not even mattering.   But, I find it funny that people just want to stay ignorant on Facts. I didn't actually say anything controversial.   I actually point to the need to back up their claims of Fraud if they have it (which, again I point out is not signficant),

And, in case it got lost - I was not saying the COUNTING after data is illegal.  It's just narrowly about votes received after Election Day. Which is a clear legal matter. But, again, again - my guess is that's not proportionately significant.   

So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say I'm dredging up here.  What about what I said was wrong? If there is something factual incorrect, please enlighten me.

Now, you can say that law is stupid (i actually think it is - how can you expect something postmarked Election Day and received by Election Day?  Even the most efficient post office wouldn't have the happen?)  But, we have lots of stupid laws nobody ever thinks about until they need to think about them. Should that law be changed? Certainly.  But, you should be frightened if Executive and Judicial Branch can do that without legislative approval.  I think that's been part of the drum beat for the last 4 years, hasn't it?

But, feel free to stay ignorant.

You're correct.  All indications coming from counties right now is that the number of votes arriving 'late' will be very small.  But the court ruled that it is legal, however isolate them in the event there is another challenge.  Every moment it seems less likely to be an issue.  I'm more concerned about the PA legislature attempting to circumvent the voters and select their own electors.  If it comes down to PA, I'm 100% sure they will try that.  And that...would be bullshit. 

gimmesometruth27

Biden

i love how several of the people i grew up with that dropped out of high school in 10th grade are all now election law experts. 

mrussel1

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

i love how several of the people i grew up with that dropped out of high school in 10th grade are all now election law experts. 

"The only way Trump gets to 270 is by losing 50 lbs" - not mine but I thought it was funny.

F Me In The Brain

Biden

EdsonNascimento said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Better than 50/50 chance by LAW?
Are you a judge in PA, specializing in their law?

Agreed. I should not have stated that.  I should have said - he has a chance. I have no idea the likelihood.   I was ascribing a higher chance b/c if it mattered, it will end up in the SC where he would seem to have at least a 50/50 chance. IF that occurs what do you think his chances would be?

I fully expect the modern version of The God Squad to do whatever Trump wants on any potential election ruling where they can even claim a remote thread of justification. 

F Me In The Brain

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

i love how several of the people i grew up with that dropped out of high school in 10th grade are all now election law experts. 

Are those the same people who know everything there is to FaceBook know about infectious diseases?

gimmesometruth27

Biden

biden just took the lead in PA!!!!!

gimmesometruth27

Biden

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i love how several of the people i grew up with that dropped out of high school in 10th grade are all now election law experts. 

"The only way Trump gets to 270 is by losing 50 lbs" - not mine but I thought it was funny.

that is great!! haha

MayDay10

Biden

so what happens when he refuses to participate in a transition?

Sounds willfully dangerous as we are trying to navigate through a pandemic and deep economic issues.... We deserve better.  But monsters going to monster

gimmesometruth27

Biden

F Me In The Brain said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i love how several of the people i grew up with that dropped out of high school in 10th grade are all now election law experts. 

Are those the same people who know everything there is to FaceBook know about infectious diseases?

yes, the same.

JimmyV

Biden

Well done, Pennsylvania!

Smellyman

Biden

eeriepadave

Biden

Halifax2TheMax

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

I will start again with - Biden is going to win/has won/whatever tense you want to use.   And regardless of what Trump says or does, he will remain Pres until 1/20/21 when Biden is inaugurated.  

That being said, the reason Az could be a concern is because the one place Trump has a legitimate legal argument is PA.  The legislature is given the right to set election law.  By PA law, ballots must be received by Election Day.  The governor, then “approved” by a judge, they extended the receipt date by 3 days.  Can’t do that without legislative approval. So, legally speaking, any ballots received after election day are illegal.   Trump has a better than 50/50 chance of all those ballots being thrown out by LAW.   And if election officials didn’t segregate those ballots, they run the risk of ALL the associated ballots (even technically legal ones) being thrown out.  Now, I wonder how many ballots that is.  That’s never been made clear as opposed to other states, PA has been less transparent about their process.  But I suspect if the bulk were received by Election Day, the governor would have stated that (if he did an I missed it, ok).   So, if the number is not too big, even this may not matter. 

Now, it does not appear such an issue (Legal) exists in any of the other states.  So, even when the inevitably find the miscast ballots (they will, they always do and just bc of the volume of mail ins will be greater), it won’t be in the thousands.   I think WI had like 150 margin change toward Trump in 2016 recount.  Even extrapolating for volume, that wouldn’t be near enough to change anything.

so, in regards to the statement of illegal ballots, Trump is technically correct. So, if you believe in laws, you really need to stop saying there aren’t any.  Now, courts will decide if they are legal, but as it stands today, by PA law, there are some ballots that are illegal (defined as : against the law) being counted in PA. That much is crystal clear. 

And all that may not matter if Biden doesn’t need PA which actually appears to be the case. That’s also why Roberts was smart not to get involved pre-election. He can successfully keep the SC out of it if there’s no impact.  That’s actually a criteria for SC to take a case in the first place.  But if it goes to SC, Trump has a good chance to win because, again, technically speaking according to law, he’s right. But that will only impact PA. The rest he needs ballot level proof for. 

I feel sorry for you if you really typed that out. But more likely you cut and pasted a interwebbery google search and selectively edited it, thinking you’re on to changing minds. Well, some, maybe, but not enough. Welcome to the HORROR! Boo!

Again- if it wasn't clear - I don't think any of it matters.  But, there is a potentially legit legal issue there (And only there).  My guess is it doesn't get very far because it winds up not even mattering.   But, I find it funny that people just want to stay ignorant on Facts. I didn't actually say anything controversial.   I actually point to the need to back up their claims of Fraud if they have it (which, again I point out is not signficant),

And, in case it got lost - I was not saying the COUNTING after data is illegal.  It's just narrowly about votes received after Election Day. Which is a clear legal matter. But, again, again - my guess is that's not proportionately significant.   

So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say I'm dredging up here.  What about what I said was wrong? If there is something factual incorrect, please enlighten me.

Now, you can say that law is stupid (i actually think it is - how can you expect something postmarked Election Day and received by Election Day?  Even the most efficient post office wouldn't have the happen?)  But, we have lots of stupid laws nobody ever thinks about until they need to think about them. Should that law be changed? Certainly.  But, you should be frightened if Executive and Judicial Branch can do that without legislative approval.  I think that's been part of the drum beat for the last 4 years, hasn't it?

But, feel free to stay ignorant.

Zero positive, baby. Yea, hypothetically, baby. You come around here ‘bout every fore years, amiaight?

mcgruff10

Biden

gimmesometruth27 said:

biden just took the lead in PA!!!!!

Yes!!!!!

eeriepadave

Biden

eeriepadave said:

Gern Blansten said:

eeriepadave said:

mrussel1 said:

eeriepadave said:

Got to the voting place at 7:30, felt like i was in line for PJ merchandise.

So big lines eh?  You're in the philly suburbs or Erie?

suburbs of philly (eeriepa was the name of a magazine some of my friends did about 15 years ago).

What are your thoughts on PA going red or blue?

Hoping for Blue. The philly area definitely is central and most of western is red though. It's gonna be close...

little too close, but we'll take it