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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    I'm sitting this one out
    HAha. Junior, start realize how much your daddy is hated. 


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    I'm sitting this one out

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    mcgruff10 said:
    So if the map stands as is, 25 states voted for Trump and 25 for Biden.  It is crazy how divided this country is.
    And how divided so many of those states are. The margins in all the remaining states is pretty small, regardless of who ends up winning them. 

    Politically divided that is. I don't think the majority of people are "divided" by who they vote for. Sure there's some people that would want nothing to do with someone that voted for the other side, but I think they're in the minority.
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  • JimmyV
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    I keep waiting for the Squad to chime in. You know, CYA Barr, Rodger Dodger Stoned, Mikey Flynn, Paulie Manaforte and Steve O. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    So if the map stands as is, 25 states voted for Trump and 25 for Biden.  It is crazy how divided this country is.
    And how divided so many of those states are. The margins in all the remaining states is pretty small, regardless of who ends up winning them. 
    Well. What if you remove the voter suppression, the gerrymandering, get the voting number up to above 80% etc. Would it look as divided?
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    I'm sitting this one out
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dimitrispearljam said:
    most funny part of this thread is the poll at first page,,i mean,,there are more votes im sitting this one out than trump..
    i mean for me i couldnt vote any of those two cos i dont vote in usa so would be stupid to vote any of the two.in the poll .
    but i guess shows the majority of pj fans politics 
    i don't think it's stupid for non-americans to vote in the poll. no, we can't vote, but obviously this is a massively consequential election not just for americans, but for the planet. the US is unlike any other in that they often set global policy, not just american. 
    its a poll of who u will vote in american election,,i cant vote in usa,so its pointless to choose anyone for this poll.
    from the comments anyway shows who we prefer.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HAha. Junior, start realize how much your daddy is hated. 


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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    So if the map stands as is, 25 states voted for Trump and 25 for Biden.  It is crazy how divided this country is.
    And how divided so many of those states are. The margins in all the remaining states is pretty small, regardless of who ends up winning them. 
    Well. What if you remove the voter suppression, the gerrymandering, get the voting number up to above 80% etc. Would it look as divided?
    Gerrymandering is pretty irrelevant in a national election, and more people voted in this election than any election every before. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JimmyV said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HAha. Junior, start realize how much your daddy is hated. 


    The Trump kids are going to have a hard time going forward without the protection of potential presidential pardons. Daddy can't help them with crimes they commit in the future. 
    Nor state indictments. Eric was left in charge. Think about that for a moment.
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  • PJNB
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    edited November 2020


    People vote not land. These maps have always been poor gauges of what is going on. 

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Biden
    Sounds like Stacey Abrahams is the MVP of getting out the vote.   What a great story!
    https://news.yahoo.com/georgia-election-results-trump-biden-140754054.html
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,852
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    So if the map stands as is, 25 states voted for Trump and 25 for Biden.  It is crazy how divided this country is.
    And how divided so many of those states are. The margins in all the remaining states is pretty small, regardless of who ends up winning them. 
    Well. What if you remove the voter suppression, the gerrymandering, get the voting number up to above 80% etc. Would it look as divided?
    It is an issue with the proliferation and acceptance of misinformation.

    I listened to conservative talk radio last night and the hosts and callers were talking as if the election was stolen, illegal, and not valid.  As if it were already proven fact.  This is going on all across the country.  So before he even gets started, Biden is considered not valid, let alone trying to find common ground with his policy or goals (he is openly saying he is in it for everybody).  

    Qanon, birther shit, swift boats, comet pizza, etc...  Misinformation sticks.  People gobble it up.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    I'm sitting this one out

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    I'm sitting this one out

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Is it more hilariously ironic that he's being "fired" by the electorate (since "you're fired" was his gameshow catchphrase), or that he's being "evicted" by the electorate (because he was a shitty landlord in the 80's)?

    If he had half a brain, he'd save some face by just conceding (in a few days when all votes are counted), wishing Joe luck, and helping with the transition. What's the worse that happens if he does that? The hillbilly portion of his supporters (who Trump probably hates anyway) won't like him anymore?

    Of course he'll do the complete opposite of this, fittingly, because that's who he is. And it'll look even more awful than the past five years have. 
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  • EdsonNascimento
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    mrussel1 said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    I will start again with - Biden is going to win/has won/whatever tense you want to use.   And regardless of what Trump says or does, he will remain Pres until 1/20/21 when Biden is inaugurated.  

    That being said, the reason Az could be a concern is because the one place Trump has a legitimate legal argument is PA.  The legislature is given the right to set election law.  By PA law, ballots must be received by Election Day.  The governor, then “approved” by a judge, they extended the receipt date by 3 days.  Can’t do that without legislative approval. So, legally speaking, any ballots received after election day are illegal.   Trump has a better than 50/50 chance of all those ballots being thrown out by LAW.   And if election officials didn’t segregate those ballots, they run the risk of ALL the associated ballots (even technically legal ones) being thrown out.  Now, I wonder how many ballots that is.  That’s never been made clear as opposed to other states, PA has been less transparent about their process.  But I suspect if the bulk were received by Election Day, the governor would have stated that (if he did an I missed it, ok).   So, if the number is not too big, even this may not matter. 

    Now, it does not appear such an issue (Legal) exists in any of the other states.  So, even when the inevitably find the miscast ballots (they will, they always do and just bc of the volume of mail ins will be greater), it won’t be in the thousands.   I think WI had like 150 margin change toward Trump in 2016 recount.  Even extrapolating for volume, that wouldn’t be near enough to change anything.

    so, in regards to the statement of illegal ballots, Trump is technically correct. So, if you believe in laws, you really need to stop saying there aren’t any.  Now, courts will decide if they are legal, but as it stands today, by PA law, there are some ballots that are illegal (defined as : against the law) being counted in PA. That much is crystal clear. 

    And all that may not matter if Biden doesn’t need PA which actually appears to be the case. That’s also why Roberts was smart not to get involved pre-election. He can successfully keep the SC out of it if there’s no impact.  That’s actually a criteria for SC to take a case in the first place.  But if it goes to SC, Trump has a good chance to win because, again, technically speaking according to law, he’s right. But that will only impact PA. The rest he needs ballot level proof for. 
    I feel sorry for you if you really typed that out. But more likely you cut and pasted a interwebbery google search and selectively edited it, thinking you’re on to changing minds. Well, some, maybe, but not enough. Welcome to the HORROR! Boo!
    Again- if it wasn't clear - I don't think any of it matters.  But, there is a potentially legit legal issue there (And only there).  My guess is it doesn't get very far because it winds up not even mattering.   But, I find it funny that people just want to stay ignorant on Facts. I didn't actually say anything controversial.   I actually point to the need to back up their claims of Fraud if they have it (which, again I point out is not signficant),

    And, in case it got lost - I was not saying the COUNTING after data is illegal.  It's just narrowly about votes received after Election Day. Which is a clear legal matter. But, again, again - my guess is that's not proportionately significant.   

    So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say I'm dredging up here.  What about what I said was wrong? If there is something factual incorrect, please enlighten me.

    Now, you can say that law is stupid (i actually think it is - how can you expect something postmarked Election Day and received by Election Day?  Even the most efficient post office wouldn't have the happen?)  But, we have lots of stupid laws nobody ever thinks about until they need to think about them. Should that law be changed? Certainly.  But, you should be frightened if Executive and Judicial Branch can do that without legislative approval.  I think that's been part of the drum beat for the last 4 years, hasn't it?

    But, feel free to stay ignorant.
    You're correct.  All indications coming from counties right now is that the number of votes arriving 'late' will be very small.  But the court ruled that it is legal, however isolate them in the event there is another challenge.  Every moment it seems less likely to be an issue.  I'm more concerned about the PA legislature attempting to circumvent the voters and select their own electors.  If it comes down to PA, I'm 100% sure they will try that.  And that...would be bullshit. 
    While that is a concern, I don't see them doing that even if it is the difference (Which it won't be).  Remember - they all face their own re-election, and while I'm sure there are purely safe counties, I'd imagine there are enough that aren't who wouldn't take that chance. 

    And if they were to do that while I do believe Trump wouldn't care how he won, that would be the one thing that would truly create the Constitutional crisis everyone has been wrongfully whining about every time a Republican is President.  And while there is a segment that wouldn't care, I think everyone who claims we aren't a united country all along forgets - most of the US is moderate.  The only people who aren't united are the Far Left and the Far Right who have separated themselves from reality and the rest of us so far that if they all wake up they'll realize they're the same and would fight the rest of the country together. Now THAT's something to be scared of. 
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,450
    I'm sitting this one out
    MayDay10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    So if the map stands as is, 25 states voted for Trump and 25 for Biden.  It is crazy how divided this country is.
    And how divided so many of those states are. The margins in all the remaining states is pretty small, regardless of who ends up winning them. 
    Well. What if you remove the voter suppression, the gerrymandering, get the voting number up to above 80% etc. Would it look as divided?
    It is an issue with the proliferation and acceptance of misinformation.

    I listened to conservative talk radio last night and the hosts and callers were talking as if the election was stolen, illegal, and not valid.  As if it were already proven fact.  This is going on all across the country.  So before he even gets started, Biden is considered not valid, let alone trying to find common ground with his policy or goals (he is openly saying he is in it for everybody).  

    Qanon, birther shit, swift boats, comet pizza, etc...  Misinformation sticks.  People gobble it up.
    Yes. And I know this election was awfully close (4 million difference in votes or whatever). But if you add 15% votes to your 66%(?) vote total, I wonder if it would have been as close. I doubt those 15 percent would split 50/50.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Biden
    PJNB said:


    People vote not land. These maps have always been poor gauges of what is going on. 


    exactly. put dots where people actually are....
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Yamiche and Karim on Twitter are the go to election experts. Me? I prefer the deep state secret service.
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