Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    Trump is going to get drilled.  This will not be a good thing for him.  
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    How the fuck do dueling townhalls benefit anyone but the trailing campaign? What kind of sense does this make?
    To be fair, Biden scheduled his last week as soon as Trump was whining about the virtual debates.  Trump scheduled his yesterday.  I don't see Biden pulling the plug now. 
    It is bullshit. Yeah he can't pull out. Why the fuck didn't NBC just start theirs at 9:30? Or do it tonight instead of tomorrow? 
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Biden
    NBC is the network that told millions of people that Trump was a billionaire business genius every week for years. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    So I sent $100 to the Biden campaign while I could.  We normally use our tithing money to support environmental work, but this years election is HUGELY important, so we coughed up the bucks for Biden/Harris.  Perhaps others here might consider doing the same here:

    https://secure.actblue.com/donate/obamaforbiden_moveon_final?akid=278965.5755935.30n0lT&rd=1&refcode=278965&refcode2=278965_5755935_30n0lT&t=1

    I know people think giving money to candidates is some kind of sham, but it really is the best and most efficient way to make an impact. We've moved all of our donations from non-profits over to candidates for the most part. If I want what I want done then I've got to put that money into the hands of the people I believe will enact legislation so the non-profits can actually do the work. Without the right candidates then the work will never be substantial - especially now that donating to 501c3's is basically worthless from a tax perspective.

    Good work.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
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    JimmyV said:
    NBC is the network that told millions of people that Trump was a billionaire business genius every week for years. 
    NBC's job is to sell ad spots.  I don't blame them for what they're doing.  I think Trump will draw more audiences because people like to see a train wreck.  He can't stop being himself for long periods of time.  The only time he doesnt' seem unhinged is when he (poorly) reads a speech.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    NBC is the network that told millions of people that Trump was a billionaire business genius every week for years. 
    NBC's job is to sell ad spots.  I don't blame them for what they're doing.  I think Trump will draw more audiences because people like to see a train wreck.  He can't stop being himself for long periods of time.  The only time he doesnt' seem unhinged is when he (poorly) reads a speech.  
    Oh good, then he can point to his higher ratings than Biden's. Hell, if Biden wins, people will probably point to these ratings as evidence it was rigged.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    NBC is the network that told millions of people that Trump was a billionaire business genius every week for years. 
    NBC's job is to sell ad spots.  I don't blame them for what they're doing.  I think Trump will draw more audiences because people like to see a train wreck.  He can't stop being himself for long periods of time.  The only time he doesnt' seem unhinged is when he (poorly) reads a speech.  
    Oh good, then he can point to his higher ratings than Biden's. Hell, if Biden wins, people will probably point to these ratings as evidence it was rigged.
    Yeah that is exactly what he will do. Since it's NBC it will also be on MSNBC and CNBC so there is literally no way for the ratings not to be higher.

    Above all else, it is a disservice to the voters. 
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  • brianlux
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    edited October 2020
    Biden
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    brianlux said:
    So I sent $100 to the Biden campaign while I could.  We normally use our tithing money to support environmental work, but this years election is HUGELY important, so we coughed up the bucks for Biden/Harris.  Perhaps others here might consider doing the same here:

    https://secure.actblue.com/donate/obamaforbiden_moveon_final?akid=278965.5755935.30n0lT&rd=1&refcode=278965&refcode2=278965_5755935_30n0lT&t=1

    I know people think giving money to candidates is some kind of sham, but it really is the best and most efficient way to make an impact. We've moved all of our donations from non-profits over to candidates for the most part. If I want what I want done then I've got to put that money into the hands of the people I believe will enact legislation so the non-profits can actually do the work. Without the right candidates then the work will never be substantial - especially now that donating to 501c3's is basically worthless from a tax perspective.

    Good work.

    I half way agree and fully respect what you're saying.  Helping candidates win that are more likely to pass useful legislation is very important.

    As much as economic and social issues are important, my biggest concerns are environmental.  Because of that, I support organizations that actively work to protect environment.  For example, I used to support Greenpeace but now give to Sea Shepherd Conservation Society instead.  This difference between the two is that Greenpeace actively protests  the killing of whales, ocean mammal, and endangered sea species whereas Sea Shepherds actively protect those species.  I've dropped support for groups that merely protest, and support those that actually do the work- groups like Sea Shepherds, Wildlands Network, and Natural Resources Defense Council.

    But this year, I have to give money to the Biden campaign.  I don't feel highly confident that he will be as active in supporting environment as I would like, but I do believe Trump must hate this planet and his actions are harmful to the earth. Assuming Biden wins, after this election, I will resume my seldom giving money to politicians, and continue to use most of my tithing money to support those environmental organizations that defend the planet.  Democrats are generally more helpful toward environment than republicans, but from what I have seen, they are also generally rather weak on environment.   We're running out of time and politicians have been dragging their feet far too long on those issues.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    brianlux said:
    So I sent $100 to the Biden campaign while I could.  We normally use our tithing money to support environmental work, but this years election is HUGELY important, so we coughed up the bucks for Biden/Harris.  Perhaps others here might consider doing the same here:

    https://secure.actblue.com/donate/obamaforbiden_moveon_final?akid=278965.5755935.30n0lT&rd=1&refcode=278965&refcode2=278965_5755935_30n0lT&t=1

    I know people think giving money to candidates is some kind of sham, but it really is the best and most efficient way to make an impact. We've moved all of our donations from non-profits over to candidates for the most part. If I want what I want done then I've got to put that money into the hands of the people I believe will enact legislation so the non-profits can actually do the work. Without the right candidates then the work will never be substantial - especially now that donating to 501c3's is basically worthless from a tax perspective.

    Good work.

    I half way agree and fully respect what you're saying.  Helping candidates win that are more likely to pass useful legislation is very important.

    As much as economic and social issues are important, my biggest concerns are environmental.  Because of that, I support organizations that actively work to protect environment.  For example, I used to support Greenpeace but now give to Sea Shepherd Conservation Society instead.  This difference between the two is that Greenpeace actively protests  the killing of whales, ocean mammal, and endangered sea species whereas Sea Shepherds actively protect those species.  I've dropped support for groups that merely protest, and support those that actually do the work- groups like Sea Shepherds, Wildlands Network, and Natural Resources Defense Council.

    But this year, I have to give money to the Biden campaign.  I don't feel highly confident that he will be as active in supporting environment as I would like, but I do believe Trump must hate this planet and his actions are harmful to the earth. Assuming Biden wins, after this election, I will resume my seldom giving money to politicians, and continue to use most of my tithing money to support those environmental organizations that defend the planet.  Democrats are generally more helpful toward environment than republicans, but from what I have seen, they are also generally rather weak on environment.   We're running out of time and politicians have been dragging their feet far too long on those issues.
    Yeah so I think we agree but are saying it in different ways. My personal opinion is if people gave money locally to candidates (locally) that are pro-environment/pro-whatever you may believe we'd have a lot less problems locally, and therefore less problems nationally. Voting locally, donating locally is where it all starts for me. Get a state house in your favor, and keep pushing - legislators that believe in your causes will make the work more easily attainable. My dollars go so much further giving to my local state rep/senator every year than to a presidential nominee every four years. Not to say that doesn't matter, but it all starts at the local, grassroots level which will undoubtedly make its way to the very top with consistent involvement. It's not a coincidence that major oil companies, corporations, the wealthy, etc etc give money to candidates across the board. I'm just trying to do my little part in trying to take that back.

    At the same time, though, I am proactively contributing money to candidates in House & US Senate races where there's a chance of moving the needle blue (AK, IA, NC, SC, AZ, MT, ME), along with giving to turnpablue.org/swingleft.org/pastandsup.org so that my dollars will help tilt the house here where I live.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What was that about not having a scapegoat and America's march toward authoritarianism, again? 


    Videos show closed-door sessions of leading conservative activists: ‘Be not afraid of the accusations that you’re a voter suppressor’

    As the presidential campaign entered its final stages, a fresh-faced Republican activist named Charlie Kirk stepped into the spotlight at a closed-door gathering of leading conservatives and shared his delight about an impact of the coronavirus pandemic: the disruption of America’s universities. So many campuses had closed, he said, that up to a half-million left-leaning students probably would not vote.

    “So, please keep the campuses closed,” Kirk, 26, said in August as the audience cheered, according to video of the event obtained by The Washington Post. “Like, it’s a great thing.”

    The gathering in Northern Virginia was organized by the Council for National Policy, a little-known group that has served for decades as a hub for a nationwide network of conservative activists and the donors who support them. Members include Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, and Leonard Leo, an outside adviser to President Trump who has helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars from undisclosed donors to support conservative causes and the nominations of conservative federal judges.

    Videos provided to The Post — covering dozens of hours of CNP meetings over three days in February and three in August — offer an inside view of participants’ obsessions and fears at a pivotal moment in the conservative movement. The videos, recorded by CNP to share with its members, show influential activists discussing election tactics, amplifying conspiracy theories and describing much of America in dark and apocalyptic terms.

    “This is a spiritual battle we are in. This is good versus evil,” CNP’s executive committee president, Bill Walton, said on Aug. 21, addressing attendees at the Ritz-Carlton in Pentagon City. “We have to do everything we can to win.”

    Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, told attendees that same day that the left is “war-gaming” a plan to delay the election tally until Jan. 20, 2021, and enable House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to become acting president. “This is kind of like crazy talk” among political people, Fitton said. But he added: “This is not an insignificant concern.”

    Expressing concern about voter fraud and disenfranchisement, Fitton called on the audience to find a way to prevent mail-in ballots from being sent to voters. “We need to stop those ballots from going out, and I want the lawyers here to tell us what to do,” said Fitton, whose organization is a tax-exempt charity. “But this is a crisis that we’re not prepared for. I mean, our side is not prepared for.”

    In an interview with The Post, Fitton elaborated on his remarks. “The left has war-gamed this out,” Fitton said. “And it could cause civil war.”

    Brent Bozell, a CNP executive committee member and founder of the Media Research Center, another tax-exempt charity, told attendees at one of the August sessions that he believes the left plans to “steal this election.”

    “And if they get away with that, what happens?” he said. “Democracy is finished because they usher in totalitarianism.”

    Bozell did not respond to messages seeking comment.

    At the February meetings, attendees discussed plans for seeking an advantage in the upcoming vote. Two said the right will begin “ballot harvesting,” a controversial technique that involves the collection and delivery of sealed absentee ballots from churches and other institutions.

    At the time of the meeting, Trump, his campaign officials and other Republicans were blasting the practice as an abuse by Democrats. “GET RID OF BALLOT HARVESTING, IT IS RAMPANT WITH FRAUD,” Trump tweeted this spring.

    But Ralph Reed, chairman of the nonprofit Faith & Freedom Coalition, told the CNP audience that conservatives are embracing the technique this year.

    “And so our organization is going to be harvesting ballots in churches,” he said. “We’re going to be specifically going in not only to White evangelical churches, but into Hispanic and Asian churches, and collecting those ballots.”

    Reed did not respond to requests for comment.

    J. Christian Adams, a former Justice Department official and the president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation, a charity, described mail-in voting as “the number one left-wing agenda.”

    Adams urged the activists not to worry about the criticism that might come their way. “Be not afraid of the accusations that you’re a voter suppressor, you’re a racist and so forth,” Adams said.

    In response to questions, Adams wrote in an email: “I stand by what I said because it is accurate.”

    The partisan commentary and election-related discussions captured on the videos involved members of an array of nonprofit organizations, including tax-exempt charities. In exchange for the right to accept tax-exempt donations, charities are prohibited from actively supporting political candidates or working in coordination on candidates’ behalf.

    Such laws are rarely enforced, in part because of murkiness about what constitutes a violation, and because of the complex interactions between some charities and nonprofits known as “social welfare” groups, tax specialists said. Social welfare groups are permitted to engage in lobbying and advocacy but must devote less than half of their resources to political activity. An individual may serve as a leader of both a charity and an affiliated social welfare group.

    Continues;


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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    Don't trust the polls...


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
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    OnWis97 said:
    Don't trust the polls...


    This is called non response bias.  They may have talked about it on the article but I couldn't get past the wall.  This happens when a catastrophic event affects one person or party.  Pollsters should know about this and adjust their samples accordingly. Hard to tell if they do or not. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    Don't trust the polls...


    is this the shy trump voter people keep saying exists? couldn't get past the first few paragraphs. paywall kicked in. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Don't trust the polls...


    is this the shy trump voter people keep saying exists? couldn't get past the first few paragraphs. paywall kicked in. 

    It's more of a recent trend to not respond to pollsters in the wake of Trump not doing well...so it's suggesting that Trump wins, nor the "shy" Trump voter...more that the swing to Biden could be less yuge than it looks.

    Here's an interesting thing from 538...they disagree with the "shy" Trump voter theory, though show other biases that could under-report Trump, namely the under-representation of non-college whites, which is Trump's strongest-held base (that said, some pollsters try to adjust for it).
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Don't trust the polls...


    is this the shy trump voter people keep saying exists? couldn't get past the first few paragraphs. paywall kicked in. 

    It's more of a recent trend to not respond to pollsters in the wake of Trump not doing well...so it's suggesting that Trump wins, nor the "shy" Trump voter...more that the swing to Biden could be less yuge than it looks.

    Here's an interesting thing from 538...they disagree with the "shy" Trump voter theory, though show other biases that could under-report Trump, namely the under-representation of non-college whites, which is Trump's strongest-held base (that said, some pollsters try to adjust for it).
    lol

    So Biden's not up 10, he's up 7 or 8. Yeah, got it. 

    The Economist gives Biden a 92% chance of winning, by the way...
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    I'm sitting this one out
    Will you watch Biden's or Trump's townhall (they air at the same time)?

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Biden
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Will you watch Biden's or Trump's townhall (they air at the same time)?

    BE HONEST NOW!
    i'm doing sober october. so.....no. 
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  • The Juggler
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    Biden and will dvr Trump's disaster (maybe stream it at the same time)....or better yet, will just watch the post game shows to see the lowlights. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Biden and will dvr Trump's disaster (maybe stream it at the same time)....or better yet, will just watch the post game shows to see the lowlights. 
    that's really all you need. edit out all of the "right, folks?" x100 and you have a 5 minute ramble about hillary's emails and fake news and stupid nicknames. 
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  • JimmyV
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    Biden
    I'll watch Biden's. It's a gift actually since I usually enjoy debates and Trump made them unwatchable this time around. 
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