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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    I'm sitting this one out
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Mirtaugh, Director of Communication for Team Trump Treason 2020, thinks the only mode of transportation today is by plane and got pretty hot under the collar trying to defend Team Trump Treason’s claim of a flight full of black clad anarchists, looters and rioters with gear. He couldn’t give any facts but questions how it is they arrived in DC.

    Wasn't Murtaugh the evil villain in the first Die Hard movie? He fits the part.
    Antifa, Inc. commonly charters private jets to their protests.  They used to own a private plane but in cost cutting strategies,  they decided to forward their internet traffic to Biden's website.  It was part of their commitment to the Board. 
    Jeesh, have they fallen on hard times. Going from private charter to commercial must be really irritating. No wonder they’re so surly.

    And he was asking the CNN host how the protestors knew who the chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party was when he exited the White House on the last night of the RPC. Umm, gee, it’s DC, people are pretty attuned to the movers and shakers within Political parties or, umm, maybe but I don’t know, I can’t be sure but maybe you’ve heard about it Tim? It’s called the interwebbery way back machine. I hear libraries have them. You remember libraries, don’t you Tim? I’m sure repubs were asking themselves the same questions.
    No more NetJets?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    dankind said: loop
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Mirtaugh, Director of Communication for Team Trump Treason 2020, thinks the only mode of transportation today is by plane and got pretty hot under the collar trying to defend Team Trump Treason’s claim of a flight full of black clad anarchists, looters and rioters with gear. He couldn’t give any facts but questions how it is they arrived in DC.

    Wasn't Murtaugh the evil villain in the first Die Hard movie? He fits the part.
    Antifa, Inc. commonly charters private jets to their protests.  They used to own a private plane but in cost cutting strategies,  they decided to forward their internet traffic to Biden's website.  It was part of their commitment to the Board. 
    Jeesh, have they fallen on hard times. Going from private charter to commercial must be really irritating. No wonder they’re so surly.

    And he was asking the CNN host how the protestors knew who the chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party was when he exited the White House on the last night of the RPC. Umm, gee, it’s DC, people are pretty attuned to the movers and shakers within Political parties or, umm, maybe but I don’t know, I can’t be sure but maybe you’ve heard about it Tim? It’s called the interwebbery way back machine. I hear libraries have them. You remember libraries, don’t you Tim? I’m sure repubs were asking themselves the same questions.
    No more NetJets?
    More for Ed?
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  • dankind
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    I'm sitting this one out
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dankind said: loop
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Mirtaugh, Director of Communication for Team Trump Treason 2020, thinks the only mode of transportation today is by plane and got pretty hot under the collar trying to defend Team Trump Treason’s claim of a flight full of black clad anarchists, looters and rioters with gear. He couldn’t give any facts but questions how it is they arrived in DC.

    Wasn't Murtaugh the evil villain in the first Die Hard movie? He fits the part.
    Antifa, Inc. commonly charters private jets to their protests.  They used to own a private plane but in cost cutting strategies,  they decided to forward their internet traffic to Biden's website.  It was part of their commitment to the Board. 
    Jeesh, have they fallen on hard times. Going from private charter to commercial must be really irritating. No wonder they’re so surly.

    And he was asking the CNN host how the protestors knew who the chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party was when he exited the White House on the last night of the RPC. Umm, gee, it’s DC, people are pretty attuned to the movers and shakers within Political parties or, umm, maybe but I don’t know, I can’t be sure but maybe you’ve heard about it Tim? It’s called the interwebbery way back machine. I hear libraries have them. You remember libraries, don’t you Tim? I’m sure repubs were asking themselves the same questions.
    No more NetJets?
    More for Ed?
    Less for Mother Earth. 

    What’s gigaton mean again?

    Oh, I know. Jack shit. :lol:
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,365
    The more I think about what Team Trump Treason said last night about flying thugs, the more I think: Doc Martin shit kickers + black clothing + Ed + Seattle + plane travel + speaking up and out + busting stuff = Ed is ANTIFA. And Mike looks pretty shady too, having seen with my very own eyes, I was there, how he dresses and butchers our National Anthem.
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
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    I think Kennedy was crying during his concession speech. 

    Yeah, it’s gonna be a helluva lot tougher to beat Pressley in an open primary down the line. Poor fella. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Biden
    Just when you thought Trump couldn't be any dumber...

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514726-trump-reiterates-call-for-drug-test-before-debates-claims-biden-is-on-some
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,530
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Mirtaugh, Director of Communication for Team Trump Treason 2020, thinks the only mode of transportation today is by plane and got pretty hot under the collar trying to defend Team Trump Treason’s claim of a flight full of black clad anarchists, looters and rioters with gear. He couldn’t give any facts but questions how it is they arrived in DC.

    Wasn't Murtaugh the evil villain in the first Die Hard movie? He fits the part.
    Antifa, Inc. commonly charters private jets to their protests.  They used to own a private plane but in cost cutting strategies,  they decided to forward their internet traffic to Biden's website.  It was part of their commitment to the Board. 

    guess TSA , a part of the deep state, went on break before that flight.
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  • mace1229
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    edited September 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Propaganda exists on all sides. I actually believe the left is very effective with it. They've had a campaign for 4 years telling people you are evil if you don't vote for their party. I rarely hear any issues discussed, but its just how horrible of a person you are and how you deserve to suffer, etc, if you don't vote democrat. It may not be in my mailbox or phone calls, but that is the constant message from many leading politicians like Pelosi. Even the message here from many. Vote with me or you're an evil worthless piece of crap.
    That's propaganda people.
    To the first bold, can you point me to anything that backs this up as true?

    To the second bold, can you point out or link to any public statements, campaign messaging or anything at all that backs this up as a true statement, from Pelosi or "many leading politicians?" There should be copious amounts in the public realm if what you allege is true, yes?

    To the third bold, can you point to one post where you or anyone with right views or these repugnant views ("how you deserve to suffer, etc. if you don't vote democrat") that make you the target of the left have called you or alluded to you as an "evil worthless piece of crap?"

    All of which is such strong and numerous propaganda in volume that it should be really easy for you to point out with a link or a cut/post and a citation, correct?.
    I was mistaken. She didn't call republicans evil, she said they are "enemies of the state." My point was, there seems to be so much hate from the left at anyone who disagrees with them. Are you saying that isn't true? It goes back before the deplorables comment even.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/24/pelosi_republicans_are_domestic_enemies.html
    You're mistaken AGAIN.  She didn't call Republicans enemies of the state.  She said that the team at 1600 Penn Ave and their allies in Congress are enemies to our voting system.  How did you screw that up twice?
    Listen to the whole thing, clear as day she did.
    Yes, she so she called him a domestic enemy of voting. And then included republicans in Congress, or that’s what I took her to mean his “allies in Congress.” So she called republicans domestic enemies. And then concluded by calling them enemies of the state. Trump and his allies in Congress, so most elected republicans minus a select few.
    Not sure how you can deny she said that.

    Did you think she was leading into the next segment about Blink182 and said enema of the state?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited September 2020
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Propaganda exists on all sides. I actually believe the left is very effective with it. They've had a campaign for 4 years telling people you are evil if you don't vote for their party. I rarely hear any issues discussed, but its just how horrible of a person you are and how you deserve to suffer, etc, if you don't vote democrat. It may not be in my mailbox or phone calls, but that is the constant message from many leading politicians like Pelosi. Even the message here from many. Vote with me or you're an evil worthless piece of crap.
    That's propaganda people.
    To the first bold, can you point me to anything that backs this up as true?

    To the second bold, can you point out or link to any public statements, campaign messaging or anything at all that backs this up as a true statement, from Pelosi or "many leading politicians?" There should be copious amounts in the public realm if what you allege is true, yes?

    To the third bold, can you point to one post where you or anyone with right views or these repugnant views ("how you deserve to suffer, etc. if you don't vote democrat") that make you the target of the left have called you or alluded to you as an "evil worthless piece of crap?"

    All of which is such strong and numerous propaganda in volume that it should be really easy for you to point out with a link or a cut/post and a citation, correct?.
    I was mistaken. She didn't call republicans evil, she said they are "enemies of the state." My point was, there seems to be so much hate from the left at anyone who disagrees with them. Are you saying that isn't true? It goes back before the deplorables comment even.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/24/pelosi_republicans_are_domestic_enemies.html
    You're mistaken AGAIN.  She didn't call Republicans enemies of the state.  She said that the team at 1600 Penn Ave and their allies in Congress are enemies to our voting system.  How did you screw that up twice?
    Reading is hard. It's a running theme around here.
    I’m not sure why it was that difficult. Yes, she called Trump and republicans in Congress domestic enemies of the voting system. Also, listen to the last 4 words spoken in the clip, she refers to them as “enemies of the state,” just like I said. Not sure why that’s so difficult to hear. Not sure how you can deny she said that, it’s very clear. The clips ends with the words “enemies of the state” but somehow that didn’t happen? 
    You could argue she didn’t call all republicans that, fine. I’d disagree, when you call trump and his allies in Congress, that’s the vast majority of elected  republicans. I wouldn’t say Biden and his allies in Congress are idiots, then try and say I wasn’t referring to Democrats, but just a select few. But I don’t know how you could accuse someone of not being able to read or listen and say she never called him an enemies of the state, just an enemy of the voting system when she clearly says enemies of the state. Listen to the whole thing.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Just when you thought Trump couldn't be any dumber...

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514726-trump-reiterates-call-for-drug-test-before-debates-claims-biden-is-on-some

    He's smart enough to know that his followers are dumb enough to get excited about this and add it to their weak arsenal.

    And by the way, does that include testing for bleach?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Biden
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Propaganda exists on all sides. I actually believe the left is very effective with it. They've had a campaign for 4 years telling people you are evil if you don't vote for their party. I rarely hear any issues discussed, but its just how horrible of a person you are and how you deserve to suffer, etc, if you don't vote democrat. It may not be in my mailbox or phone calls, but that is the constant message from many leading politicians like Pelosi. Even the message here from many. Vote with me or you're an evil worthless piece of crap.
    That's propaganda people.
    To the first bold, can you point me to anything that backs this up as true?

    To the second bold, can you point out or link to any public statements, campaign messaging or anything at all that backs this up as a true statement, from Pelosi or "many leading politicians?" There should be copious amounts in the public realm if what you allege is true, yes?

    To the third bold, can you point to one post where you or anyone with right views or these repugnant views ("how you deserve to suffer, etc. if you don't vote democrat") that make you the target of the left have called you or alluded to you as an "evil worthless piece of crap?"

    All of which is such strong and numerous propaganda in volume that it should be really easy for you to point out with a link or a cut/post and a citation, correct?.
    I was mistaken. She didn't call republicans evil, she said they are "enemies of the state." My point was, there seems to be so much hate from the left at anyone who disagrees with them. Are you saying that isn't true? It goes back before the deplorables comment even.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/08/24/pelosi_republicans_are_domestic_enemies.html
    You're mistaken AGAIN.  She didn't call Republicans enemies of the state.  She said that the team at 1600 Penn Ave and their allies in Congress are enemies to our voting system.  How did you screw that up twice?
    Listen to the whole thing, clear as day she did.
    Yes, she so she called him a domestic enemy of voting. And then included republicans in Congress, or that’s what I took her to mean his “allies in Congress.” So she called republicans domestic enemies. And then concluded by calling them enemies of the state. Trump and his allies in Congress, so most elected republicans minus a select few.
    Not sure how you can deny she said that.

    Did you think she was leading into the next segment about Blink182 and said enema of the state?
    Republicans in congress are not most elected republicans, not by a long shot.  Nor are they republican voters.  Jumping from Trump and his allies in Congress (elected Republican congressional members) to all/most Republicans is silly.  And Trump, by his own words, is an enemy of voting simplicity. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Just when you thought Trump couldn't be any dumber...

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514726-trump-reiterates-call-for-drug-test-before-debates-claims-biden-is-on-some

    He's smart enough to know that his followers are dumb enough to get excited about this and add it to their weak arsenal.

    And by the way, does that include testing for bleach?
    This is what happens when you set the bar super low for someone by insulting their intelligence over and over, and then people see that person and say.. what?  He's great!  So now Trump has to go with "performance enhancers".  It's beyond silly.  Because he's untethered from the truth, he can just say whatever he wants.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    Biden
    I still think Biden should say "I'll take a drug test if you will release your tax returns"
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  • mrussel1
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    dankind said:
    I think Kennedy was crying during his concession speech. 

    Yeah, it’s gonna be a helluva lot tougher to beat Pressley in an open primary down the line. Poor fella. 
    This election was confusing.  Markey feels like the establishment candidate and Kennedy felt like the upstart.  But the progressives backed Markey.  I don't know what to take from it, other than the Kennedy name is dying. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    I think Kennedy was crying during his concession speech. 

    Yeah, it’s gonna be a helluva lot tougher to beat Pressley in an open primary down the line. Poor fella. 
    This election was confusing.  Markey feels like the establishment candidate and Kennedy felt like the upstart.  But the progressives backed Markey.  I don't know what to take from it, other than the Kennedy name is dying. 
    Kennedy isn't done yet...he's young...he'll be back
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  • mrussel1
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    Gern Blansten said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    I think Kennedy was crying during his concession speech. 

    Yeah, it’s gonna be a helluva lot tougher to beat Pressley in an open primary down the line. Poor fella. 
    This election was confusing.  Markey feels like the establishment candidate and Kennedy felt like the upstart.  But the progressives backed Markey.  I don't know what to take from it, other than the Kennedy name is dying. 
    Kennedy isn't done yet...he's young...he'll be back
    Agreed but he'll have to do it on his own,  not leveraging his name.  The name doesn't make you a winner like in the past 
  • mrussel1
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    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514738-biden-condemns-rioting-in-new-ad

    Biden increasing the push back and reversal on the rioting, blaming Trump for inflammatory language.  I'm biased but that seems like a pretty easy story to sell.  Only one of the candidates is the president and responsible for what happens and how to deal with it.  
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,107
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    I think Kennedy was crying during his concession speech. 

    Yeah, it’s gonna be a helluva lot tougher to beat Pressley in an open primary down the line. Poor fella. 
    This election was confusing.  Markey feels like the establishment candidate and Kennedy felt like the upstart.  But the progressives backed Markey.  I don't know what to take from it, other than the Kennedy name is dying. 
    It’s because Markey reaches out to young voters and the far left. He had a mixed voting record but made the case for why he supports the overall movement and he actually listened to progressive leaders.  Kennedy was basically running a look at my name campaign and did no serious reaching out to progressives.  And underneath it all was the different places their campaigns were getting money from.  People are paying more attention and the same old politicking is becoming less effective.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Biden
    The choice between Markey and Kennedy wasn't much of a choice at all, but I voted for Markey because Kennedy was the wrong candidate to challenge him. I absolutely agree that Markey may have been there too long and it may be time for new blood, but a Kennedy kid telling me he represents a change from the politics of old is a few bridges too far. Had he stayed in Congress I likely would have voted for Kennedy again, but his Senate challenge was ridiculous. Also...the Pelosi endorsement did not help.   
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  • mrussel1
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    JimmyV said:
    The choice between Markey and Kennedy wasn't much of a choice at all, but I voted for Markey because Kennedy was the wrong candidate to challenge him. I absolutely agree that Markey may have been there too long and it may be time for new blood, but a Kennedy kid telling me he represents a change from the politics of old is a few bridges too far. Had he stayed in Congress I likely would have voted for Kennedy again, but his Senate challenge was ridiculous. Also...the Pelosi endorsement did not help.   
    I was surprised Pelosi got involved.  It's really just payback from when he was in the House and I dont think he backed her previous bid to be Speaker,  I believe. 

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