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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    I have still not found my close-to-perfect turntable.  My parameters are thus:

    Total absolute maximum cost including tax and shipping, $1500 US.
    -Very minimal to no motor noise.
    -Ability to switch between 45 RPM and 33 1/3 without lifting the platter.
    -Quality queuing lever.
    -Relatively easy to use tone arm finger grip.
    -No built in pre-amp. (Prefer to plug direct into my Marantz PM5005 phono port).
    -Removable/ lift-able dust cover.
    -Ortophon red cartridge.
    -Piano black plinth.

    However...   in the meantime, I have been able to improve the sound/ play-ability of my Project Carbon Debut hugely by removing the motor hold down screws and washers such that the motor is suspended by the rectangular o-ring. The thumping noise the motor was making is all but gone. After all this time- what a difference!  This relatively easy modification will allow me plenty of time to keep my eyes open for something more to my liking.  For now, I'm enjoying my records just fine!


    I’d love to check out one of these. 


    I haven't looked very closely at Thorens.  Looks like I need to check them out more thoroughly.  My only surprise here though is that the TD-240 come with an Ortofon 2M Red.  For a TT that lists at $1299, that seems like an inferior cartridge.

    And herein begins a very tricky rabbit hole in which I have found myself falling into:  The big WHAT CARTRIDGE? dilemma.  I have an Ortofon 2M on my Pro-ject Carbon Debut and the more research I've done, the more I'm thinking that beside a TT upgrade, I would do well to look into a better cart.  (And yes, I am back to looking for a new turntable.  After removing the shipping screws, the motor noise on the Carbon Debut did indeed cease, but now I have a very feelable vibration in the tone arm.  This damn Pro-ject has to go!)

    My first consideration has been to go with a Technics SL1500C (comes stock with the 2M red) and upgrade to an Ortofon 2M Blue but I'm not sure that's a good choice.  I have read that the 2M blue rather bright and I am high pitch sensitive such that I'd like something more warm or "lush" sounding.  I've read about the Denon DL-103R being an excellent, warm sounding cart but then you get into all kinds of snags like "if the stylus it worn, you can't just replace it like you can with an Ortofon"?  I read that it has to be "retipped", whatever that means.  And "is it compatible with my Marantz tuner?".  And "and I looking at something too high end to match with the Marantz int he first place?"

    It all soooooo confusing!!!
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,389
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    I have still not found my close-to-perfect turntable.  My parameters are thus:

    Total absolute maximum cost including tax and shipping, $1500 US.
    -Very minimal to no motor noise.
    -Ability to switch between 45 RPM and 33 1/3 without lifting the platter.
    -Quality queuing lever.
    -Relatively easy to use tone arm finger grip.
    -No built in pre-amp. (Prefer to plug direct into my Marantz PM5005 phono port).
    -Removable/ lift-able dust cover.
    -Ortophon red cartridge.
    -Piano black plinth.

    However...   in the meantime, I have been able to improve the sound/ play-ability of my Project Carbon Debut hugely by removing the motor hold down screws and washers such that the motor is suspended by the rectangular o-ring. The thumping noise the motor was making is all but gone. After all this time- what a difference!  This relatively easy modification will allow me plenty of time to keep my eyes open for something more to my liking.  For now, I'm enjoying my records just fine!


    I’d love to check out one of these. 


    I haven't looked very closely at Thorens.  Looks like I need to check them out more thoroughly.  My only surprise here though is that the TD-240 come with an Ortofon 2M Red.  For a TT that lists at $1299, that seems like an inferior cartridge.

    And herein begins a very tricky rabbit hole in which I have found myself falling into:  The big WHAT CARTRIDGE? dilemma.  I have an Ortofon 2M on my Pro-ject Carbon Debut and the more research I've done, the more I'm thinking that beside a TT upgrade, I would do well to look into a better cart.  (And yes, I am back to looking for a new turntable.  After removing the shipping screws, the motor noise on the Carbon Debut did indeed cease, but now I have a very feelable vibration in the tone arm.  This damn Pro-ject has to go!)

    My first consideration has been to go with a Technics SL1500C (comes stock with the 2M red) and upgrade to an Ortofon 2M Blue but I'm not sure that's a good choice.  I have read that the 2M blue rather bright and I am high pitch sensitive such that I'd like something more warm or "lush" sounding.  I've read about the Denon DL-103R being an excellent, warm sounding cart but then you get into all kinds of snags like "if the stylus it worn, you can't just replace it like you can with an Ortofon"?  I read that it has to be "retipped", whatever that means.  And "is it compatible with my Marantz tuner?".  And "and I looking at something too high end to match with the Marantz int he first place?"

    It all soooooo confusing!!!
    I got a free Thorens off of CL a few years back, and I love it enough to buy a higher-end model when the time comes. It took a while to get accustomed to a few interesting features (floating/suspended chassis; it's kind of like putting your record on a surfboard) and something that looks like it came out of a fishing tackle box for the anti-skate, but it is just so quiet (that weird floating/suspended chassis thing) and worry free. Give 'em a listen. 

    Also, Turntable Lab will pretty much supply/upgrade a turntable with any type of cartridge, etc., they carry in stock; perhaps a West Coast hi-fi outfit does the same. Blue gets all the love from the Ortofon folks.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    edited March 9
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    I have still not found my close-to-perfect turntable.  My parameters are thus:

    Total absolute maximum cost including tax and shipping, $1500 US.
    -Very minimal to no motor noise.
    -Ability to switch between 45 RPM and 33 1/3 without lifting the platter.
    -Quality queuing lever.
    -Relatively easy to use tone arm finger grip.
    -No built in pre-amp. (Prefer to plug direct into my Marantz PM5005 phono port).
    -Removable/ lift-able dust cover.
    -Ortophon red cartridge.
    -Piano black plinth.

    However...   in the meantime, I have been able to improve the sound/ play-ability of my Project Carbon Debut hugely by removing the motor hold down screws and washers such that the motor is suspended by the rectangular o-ring. The thumping noise the motor was making is all but gone. After all this time- what a difference!  This relatively easy modification will allow me plenty of time to keep my eyes open for something more to my liking.  For now, I'm enjoying my records just fine!


    I’d love to check out one of these. 


    I haven't looked very closely at Thorens.  Looks like I need to check them out more thoroughly.  My only surprise here though is that the TD-240 come with an Ortofon 2M Red.  For a TT that lists at $1299, that seems like an inferior cartridge.

    And herein begins a very tricky rabbit hole in which I have found myself falling into:  The big WHAT CARTRIDGE? dilemma.  I have an Ortofon 2M on my Pro-ject Carbon Debut and the more research I've done, the more I'm thinking that beside a TT upgrade, I would do well to look into a better cart.  (And yes, I am back to looking for a new turntable.  After removing the shipping screws, the motor noise on the Carbon Debut did indeed cease, but now I have a very feelable vibration in the tone arm.  This damn Pro-ject has to go!)

    My first consideration has been to go with a Technics SL1500C (comes stock with the 2M red) and upgrade to an Ortofon 2M Blue but I'm not sure that's a good choice.  I have read that the 2M blue rather bright and I am high pitch sensitive such that I'd like something more warm or "lush" sounding.  I've read about the Denon DL-103R being an excellent, warm sounding cart but then you get into all kinds of snags like "if the stylus it worn, you can't just replace it like you can with an Ortofon"?  I read that it has to be "retipped", whatever that means.  And "is it compatible with my Marantz tuner?".  And "and I looking at something too high end to match with the Marantz int he first place?"

    It all soooooo confusing!!!
    I got a free Thorens off of CL a few years back, and I love it enough to buy a higher-end model when the time comes. It took a while to get accustomed to a few interesting features (floating/suspended chassis; it's kind of like putting your record on a surfboard) and something that looks like it came out of a fishing tackle box for the anti-skate, but it is just so quiet (that weird floating/suspended chassis thing) and worry free. Give 'em a listen. 

    Also, Turntable Lab will pretty much supply/upgrade a turntable with any type of cartridge, etc., they carry in stock; perhaps a West Coast hi-fi outfit does the same. Blue gets all the love from the Ortofon folks.

    Thanks, I'll check further into Thorens.  May not work for me as it appears Thorens requires a pre-amp which means more money and more stuff.  I want to be able to plug right into my Marantz PM5005 tuner.  Drat!

    This search just keeping getting more frustrating.  Earlier today I was looking into Rega models again and read a bunch of stuff that had me convinced that a Rega Planar 1 or 2 or 3 were only going to lead me down a path of varying upgrades and that the best thing to do was break my budget a lot further open, suck it up, and go with the Planar 6.  And then I saw this:


    See the two photos on the first page (post #14 and #18).  This is what $2000 bucks get you?

    Hit it, Neil!

    Saw it on the tube, bought in on the phone, then I got it home, it's a....

    Post edited by brianlux on
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • GlowGirlGlowGirl New York, NYPosts: 2,830
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    I have still not found my close-to-perfect turntable.  My parameters are thus:

    Total absolute maximum cost including tax and shipping, $1500 US.
    -Very minimal to no motor noise.
    -Ability to switch between 45 RPM and 33 1/3 without lifting the platter.
    -Quality queuing lever.
    -Relatively easy to use tone arm finger grip.
    -No built in pre-amp. (Prefer to plug direct into my Marantz PM5005 phono port).
    -Removable/ lift-able dust cover.
    -Ortophon red cartridge.
    -Piano black plinth.

    However...   in the meantime, I have been able to improve the sound/ play-ability of my Project Carbon Debut hugely by removing the motor hold down screws and washers such that the motor is suspended by the rectangular o-ring. The thumping noise the motor was making is all but gone. After all this time- what a difference!  This relatively easy modification will allow me plenty of time to keep my eyes open for something more to my liking.  For now, I'm enjoying my records just fine!


    I’d love to check out one of these. 


    I haven't looked very closely at Thorens.  Looks like I need to check them out more thoroughly.  My only surprise here though is that the TD-240 come with an Ortofon 2M Red.  For a TT that lists at $1299, that seems like an inferior cartridge.

    And herein begins a very tricky rabbit hole in which I have found myself falling into:  The big WHAT CARTRIDGE? dilemma.  I have an Ortofon 2M on my Pro-ject Carbon Debut and the more research I've done, the more I'm thinking that beside a TT upgrade, I would do well to look into a better cart.  (And yes, I am back to looking for a new turntable.  After removing the shipping screws, the motor noise on the Carbon Debut did indeed cease, but now I have a very feelable vibration in the tone arm.  This damn Pro-ject has to go!)

    My first consideration has been to go with a Technics SL1500C (comes stock with the 2M red) and upgrade to an Ortofon 2M Blue but I'm not sure that's a good choice.  I have read that the 2M blue rather bright and I am high pitch sensitive such that I'd like something more warm or "lush" sounding.  I've read about the Denon DL-103R being an excellent, warm sounding cart but then you get into all kinds of snags like "if the stylus it worn, you can't just replace it like you can with an Ortofon"?  I read that it has to be "retipped", whatever that means.  And "is it compatible with my Marantz tuner?".  And "and I looking at something too high end to match with the Marantz int he first place?"

    It all soooooo confusing!!!
    I got a free Thorens off of CL a few years back, and I love it enough to buy a higher-end model when the time comes. It took a while to get accustomed to a few interesting features (floating/suspended chassis; it's kind of like putting your record on a surfboard) and something that looks like it came out of a fishing tackle box for the anti-skate, but it is just so quiet (that weird floating/suspended chassis thing) and worry free. Give 'em a listen. 

    Also, Turntable Lab will pretty much supply/upgrade a turntable with any type of cartridge, etc., they carry in stock; perhaps a West Coast hi-fi outfit does the same. Blue gets all the love from the Ortofon folks.

    Thanks, I'll check further into Thorens.  May not work for me as it appears Thorens requires a pre-amp which means more money and more stuff.  I want to be able to plug right into my Marantz PM5005 tuner.  Drat!

    This search just keeping getting more frustrating.  Earlier today I was looking into Rega models again and read a bunch of stuff that had me convinced that a Rega Planar 1 or 2 or 3 were only going to lead me down a path of varying upgrades and that the best thing to do was break my budget a lot further open, suck it up, and go with the Planar 6.  And then I saw this:


    See the two photos on the first page (post #14 and #18).  This is what $2000 bucks get you?

    Hit it, Neil!

    Saw it on the tube, bought in on the phone, then I got it home, it's a....

    The Thorens TD 102-A appears to have a built in preamp. Have you checked that one out?
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,389
    Brian, your Marantz doesn't have a phono stage? If it has a phono stage, you don't need a preamp. If you're using the aux, then, yes, you'll need a preamp.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    edited March 9
    dankind said:
    Brian, your Marantz doesn't have a phono stage? If it has a phono stage, you don't need a preamp. If you're using the aux, then, yes, you'll need a preamp.

    It does indeed!  Late last night, after I saw your other post here, I found an article about phono stages and realized I have that on the Marantz and don't need a pre-amp.  I'm leaning toward the Technics SL-1500C but still considering Thorens.  Thanks for your input, Dankind!  :smile:
    GlowGirl said:
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    I have still not found my close-to-perfect turntable.  My parameters are thus:

    Total absolute maximum cost including tax and shipping, $1500 US.
    -Very minimal to no motor noise.
    -Ability to switch between 45 RPM and 33 1/3 without lifting the platter.
    -Quality queuing lever.
    -Relatively easy to use tone arm finger grip.
    -No built in pre-amp. (Prefer to plug direct into my Marantz PM5005 phono port).
    -Removable/ lift-able dust cover.
    -Ortophon red cartridge.
    -Piano black plinth.

    However...   in the meantime, I have been able to improve the sound/ play-ability of my Project Carbon Debut hugely by removing the motor hold down screws and washers such that the motor is suspended by the rectangular o-ring. The thumping noise the motor was making is all but gone. After all this time- what a difference!  This relatively easy modification will allow me plenty of time to keep my eyes open for something more to my liking.  For now, I'm enjoying my records just fine!


    I’d love to check out one of these. 


    I haven't looked very closely at Thorens.  Looks like I need to check them out more thoroughly.  My only surprise here though is that the TD-240 come with an Ortofon 2M Red.  For a TT that lists at $1299, that seems like an inferior cartridge.

    And herein begins a very tricky rabbit hole in which I have found myself falling into:  The big WHAT CARTRIDGE? dilemma.  I have an Ortofon 2M on my Pro-ject Carbon Debut and the more research I've done, the more I'm thinking that beside a TT upgrade, I would do well to look into a better cart.  (And yes, I am back to looking for a new turntable.  After removing the shipping screws, the motor noise on the Carbon Debut did indeed cease, but now I have a very feelable vibration in the tone arm.  This damn Pro-ject has to go!)

    My first consideration has been to go with a Technics SL1500C (comes stock with the 2M red) and upgrade to an Ortofon 2M Blue but I'm not sure that's a good choice.  I have read that the 2M blue rather bright and I am high pitch sensitive such that I'd like something more warm or "lush" sounding.  I've read about the Denon DL-103R being an excellent, warm sounding cart but then you get into all kinds of snags like "if the stylus it worn, you can't just replace it like you can with an Ortofon"?  I read that it has to be "retipped", whatever that means.  And "is it compatible with my Marantz tuner?".  And "and I looking at something too high end to match with the Marantz int he first place?"

    It all soooooo confusing!!!
    I got a free Thorens off of CL a few years back, and I love it enough to buy a higher-end model when the time comes. It took a while to get accustomed to a few interesting features (floating/suspended chassis; it's kind of like putting your record on a surfboard) and something that looks like it came out of a fishing tackle box for the anti-skate, but it is just so quiet (that weird floating/suspended chassis thing) and worry free. Give 'em a listen. 

    Also, Turntable Lab will pretty much supply/upgrade a turntable with any type of cartridge, etc., they carry in stock; perhaps a West Coast hi-fi outfit does the same. Blue gets all the love from the Ortofon folks.

    Thanks, I'll check further into Thorens.  May not work for me as it appears Thorens requires a pre-amp which means more money and more stuff.  I want to be able to plug right into my Marantz PM5005 tuner.  Drat!

    This search just keeping getting more frustrating.  Earlier today I was looking into Rega models again and read a bunch of stuff that had me convinced that a Rega Planar 1 or 2 or 3 were only going to lead me down a path of varying upgrades and that the best thing to do was break my budget a lot further open, suck it up, and go with the Planar 6.  And then I saw this:


    See the two photos on the first page (post #14 and #18).  This is what $2000 bucks get you?

    Hit it, Neil!

    Saw it on the tube, bought in on the phone, then I got it home, it's a....

    The Thorens TD 102-A appears to have a built in preamp. Have you checked that one out?

    I did, thank!  It looks like a new model and I couldn't find much in the way of reviews but will consider it.  :smile: 
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call. 
    "Sorry, out of stock."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, back-ordered."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, no gots."

    Sheesh! :grimacing:
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • BB162610BB162610 Upstate NYPosts: 421
    brianlux said:
    After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call. 
    "Sorry, out of stock."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, back-ordered."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, no gots."

    Sheesh! :grimacing:
    When I was ordering gear from my dealer recently, they mentioned how hard Technics has been hit due to the pandemic and it’s very difficult to get their products right now. 
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,389
    Hey, @brianlux , it's me, your Thorens pusher again.

    How you doing, buddy? Jonesin' for a noiseless motor and an incredible soundstage? 

    I know how it is, pal. I've been there. But not anymore. Because I found Thorens. :lol:

    You want user friendly. As long as you use, Thorens will be friendly. :wink:
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    BB162610 said:
    brianlux said:
    After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call. 
    "Sorry, out of stock."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, back-ordered."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, no gots."

    Sheesh! :grimacing:
    When I was ordering gear from my dealer recently, they mentioned how hard Technics has been hit due to the pandemic and it’s very difficult to get their products right now. 
    Yeah, I talk to a couple of reps from three different companies and they're all saying Technics probably won't be shipping until summer or maybe even early fall.  One guy said that electronics in general have been hard hot due to pandemic factors.

    dankind said:
    Hey, @brianlux , it's me, your Thorens pusher again.

    How you doing, buddy? Jonesin' for a noiseless motor and an incredible soundstage? 

    I know how it is, pal. I've been there. But not anymore. Because I found Thorens. :lol:

    You want user friendly. As long as you use, Thorens will be friendly. :wink:

    Good to know.  I talked to a tech from Music Direct yesterday and explained what was going on with my Pro-ject Carbon Debut.  Once I removed the shipping screws, the thumping motor noise stopped.  I sometimes can feel a fine vibration in the tone arm but the tech told me that was not going to hurt anything.  He said the carbon fiber arm is light and thus transmits some of the energy and that I should just use the cuing lever and not worry about it.

    With that in mind, I figure it buys me time to look at both the Thorens and the Technics.  Both of them will have a big advantage over the Carbon Debut:  No more lifting the platter to change speeds.  What I don't know is weather I would like the Thorens' Audio Technica AT VM95E cartidge (which I haven't heard) over the Ortofon 2M Red (which is what I have on the Carbon Debut) or the Red upgrade, Ortofon 2M Blue (which I also have not heard).

    So many choices to make!  But now,at least, I feel like I have time to do more research. 

    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,389
    brianlux said:
    BB162610 said:
    brianlux said:
    After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call. 
    "Sorry, out of stock."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, back-ordered."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, no gots."

    Sheesh! :grimacing:
    When I was ordering gear from my dealer recently, they mentioned how hard Technics has been hit due to the pandemic and it’s very difficult to get their products right now. 
    Yeah, I talk to a couple of reps from three different companies and they're all saying Technics probably won't be shipping until summer or maybe even early fall.  One guy said that electronics in general have been hard hot due to pandemic factors.

    dankind said:
    Hey, @brianlux , it's me, your Thorens pusher again.

    How you doing, buddy? Jonesin' for a noiseless motor and an incredible soundstage? 

    I know how it is, pal. I've been there. But not anymore. Because I found Thorens. :lol:

    You want user friendly. As long as you use, Thorens will be friendly. :wink:

    Good to know.  I talked to a tech from Music Direct yesterday and explained what was going on with my Pro-ject Carbon Debut.  Once I removed the shipping screws, the thumping motor noise stopped.  I sometimes can feel a fine vibration in the tone arm but the tech told me that was not going to hurt anything.  He said the carbon fiber arm is light and thus transmits some of the energy and that I should just use the cuing lever and not worry about it.

    With that in mind, I figure it buys me time to look at both the Thorens and the Technics.  Both of them will have a big advantage over the Carbon Debut:  No more lifting the platter to change speeds.  What I don't know is weather I would like the Thorens' Audio Technica AT VM95E cartidge (which I haven't heard) over the Ortofon 2M Red (which is what I have on the Carbon Debut) or the Red upgrade, Ortofon 2M Blue (which I also have not heard).

    So many choices to make!  But now,at least, I feel like I have time to do more research. 

    I have read that the Ortofon Blue (so an upgrade, greedy bastiges!) pairs well with the the two Thorens models listed above. I have no experience with Ortofon cartridges myself (my Thorens came with a Grado on it, which I enjoy). I do have experience with that AT cartridge, though, since that was stocked with my AT table when I bought it new. That cartridge is a great listening cartridge that sounds nice almost right out of the box, but I will say that I have two other tables in the rotation that handle hot spots and the occasional warp a lot better than the AT. I don't know whether to blame that on the cartridge or the featherlight tonearm, though. Might even be the doofus who set it up. :lol:
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    dankind said:
    brianlux said:
    BB162610 said:
    brianlux said:
    After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call. 
    "Sorry, out of stock."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, back-ordered."
    And another call.
    "Sorry, no gots."

    Sheesh! :grimacing:
    When I was ordering gear from my dealer recently, they mentioned how hard Technics has been hit due to the pandemic and it’s very difficult to get their products right now. 
    Yeah, I talk to a couple of reps from three different companies and they're all saying Technics probably won't be shipping until summer or maybe even early fall.  One guy said that electronics in general have been hard hot due to pandemic factors.

    dankind said:
    Hey, @brianlux , it's me, your Thorens pusher again.

    How you doing, buddy? Jonesin' for a noiseless motor and an incredible soundstage? 

    I know how it is, pal. I've been there. But not anymore. Because I found Thorens. :lol:

    You want user friendly. As long as you use, Thorens will be friendly. :wink:

    Good to know.  I talked to a tech from Music Direct yesterday and explained what was going on with my Pro-ject Carbon Debut.  Once I removed the shipping screws, the thumping motor noise stopped.  I sometimes can feel a fine vibration in the tone arm but the tech told me that was not going to hurt anything.  He said the carbon fiber arm is light and thus transmits some of the energy and that I should just use the cuing lever and not worry about it.

    With that in mind, I figure it buys me time to look at both the Thorens and the Technics.  Both of them will have a big advantage over the Carbon Debut:  No more lifting the platter to change speeds.  What I don't know is weather I would like the Thorens' Audio Technica AT VM95E cartidge (which I haven't heard) over the Ortofon 2M Red (which is what I have on the Carbon Debut) or the Red upgrade, Ortofon 2M Blue (which I also have not heard).

    So many choices to make!  But now,at least, I feel like I have time to do more research. 

    I have read that the Ortofon Blue (so an upgrade, greedy bastiges!) pairs well with the the two Thorens models listed above. I have no experience with Ortofon cartridges myself (my Thorens came with a Grado on it, which I enjoy). I do have experience with that AT cartridge, though, since that was stocked with my AT table when I bought it new. That cartridge is a great listening cartridge that sounds nice almost right out of the box, but I will say that I have two other tables in the rotation that handle hot spots and the occasional warp a lot better than the AT. I don't know whether to blame that on the cartridge or the featherlight tonearm, though. Might even be the doofus who set it up. :lol:

    Oh, great, now you give me more options to have to juggle and consider.  :lol:

    No, seriously, I do appreciate the info!  I will keep reading! :smiley:
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,565
    edited March 14
    its not an irreversable decision Brian....

    either table or cartridge
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,824
    mickeyrat said:
    its not an irreversable decision Brian....

    either table or cartridge

    True, the decision is not totally reversible, for sure.  I'm not poor and, at least according to my wife,  I don't have worry about going belly up, but with my decreasing ability to sustain a level income in a world of escalating cost and expenses (my internet fees, for example, which, with no alternative available, have currently tripled), I find it wise to choose on what and for what and how much I spend on something like a turntable.  But, like food, clothing, and shelter, to me music is an essential, so the decision still looms while I weigh my options. 
    Meanwhile, the Pro-ject Carbon Debut appears to still be usable.  Thank the musical heavens!
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