Spring Tour Postponed - Letter from the Band

estarr31

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

Does Obama not exist in this history?

JimmyV

estarr31 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

Does Obama not exist in this history?

The real Obama or the boogieman Fox Obama? 

Saltzy23

JimmyV said:

estarr31 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

Does Obama not exist in this history?

The real Obama or the boogieman Fox Obama? 

Remember when Donald Trump started a movement to discredit Obama and try and convince complete idiots that he wasn't a natural born US citizen...and continued to do so even after he released his birth certificate to prove otherwise?

I do.

patkelly12

TDS is not a hoax. 

Choska

Spartanacus said:

jeffbr said:

Spartanacus said:

Random (yet important) facts:  The average age of death from COVID-19 is 80.  The average age of death in the world is 72.6.  Italy has the oldest population in Europe.  

Here are the stats in Washington State currently (https://www.doh.wa.gov/emergencies/coronavirus):

Age
0 to 19 years	2%
20 to 29 years	5%
30 to 39 years	10%
40 to 49 years	13%
50 to 59 years	15%
60 to 69 years	21%
70 to 79 years	15%
80+ years	19%

Aren't these the percentages of who contracted the virus?  I did hear about the young Wuhan doctor dying...but I suspect foul play.  Suffice it to say, most of the deaths are from that 70 and up demographic.  And just our luck, the heart of the American outbreak is tied to nursing homes in WA, hence ground zero for the hysteria is in Pearl Jam's backyard.  Of course I wish our elders well, but I just don't understand why the panic button was pressed when most of our population will be just fine even if they contract it.  Better safe than sorry I guess...but if this is something more sinister (a viral attack from China to at the very least cripple our economy), well, they are winning.

You think the young Wuhan doctor dying might be foul play. (What about the other health care providers who have died? Also foul play?) You also insinuate that the virus might be an attack from China to cripple our economy. (What about their own economy? Or the economies in Italy, Japan, Korea, etc.?) 

That's *two* conspiracy theories you are promoting, yet you discount the danger the virus poses for people over the age of 60 and those with poor underlying health. What is happening in the nursing home isn't "hysteria" to the people with parents and grandparents in that home where the infection rate looks to be near 100% and the fatality rate is growing daily. 

You need to check yourself because you are believing and promoting things that are provably untrue, while disregarding things that are provably true. Spreading bullshit is dangerous. 

Saltzy23

You guys need to understand that even though Trump may have some worts and imperfections, says some stuff he shouldn't, and may not be perfect, he is Making America Great Again, so you just gotta kinda take the good with the bad....

Whereas Obama, with all his slick, intelligent, pragmatic, thoughtful, elitist bullshit was just a socialist, possibly Nigerian, threat to us all that needed to be stopped at all costs.

I mean, it makes so much sense when you really think about it.

MC185899

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

I give him credit for knowing how to speak to the simplest, common people in society and have them think he is an intelligent, savvy, NYC business man when in fact he is a Walmart discount rack shopper simpleton blithering idiot in a shitty tailored $3k suit.

So Eddie should love him, right?  Uneducated old white men are his key demo.  

P.S.  Your degree in Sociology doesn’t make you any better than anyone else.  It just means you have more student loan debt than most. 

Ledbetterman10

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that even though Trump may have some worts and imperfections, says some stuff he shouldn't, and may not be perfect, he is Making America Great Again, so you just gotta kinda take the good with the bad....

Whereas Obama, with all his slick, intelligent, pragmatic, thoughtful, elitist bullshit was just a socialist, possibly Nigerian, threat to us all that needed to be stopped at all costs.

I mean, it makes so much sense when you really think about it.

I don't think Trump is as good as you make him out to be.

I don't think Obama is as bad as you make him out to be.

They both fall somewhere in the middle...when you really think about it. 

MC185899

Saltzy23 said:

JimmyV said:

estarr31 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

Does Obama not exist in this history?

The real Obama or the boogieman Fox Obama? 

Remember when Donald Trump started a movement to discredit Obama and try and convince complete idiots that he wasn't a natural born US citizen...and continued to do so even after he released his birth certificate to prove otherwise?

I do.

Actually, Hillary Clinton and her staff started that one when she and Obama were going head-to-head for the nomination.  Trump certainly parroted it, but he didn’t start it. 

Ledbetterman10

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

JimmyV said:

estarr31 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

Does Obama not exist in this history?

The real Obama or the boogieman Fox Obama? 

Remember when Donald Trump started a movement to discredit Obama and try and convince complete idiots that he wasn't a natural born US citizen...and continued to do so even after he released his birth certificate to prove otherwise?

I do.

Actually, Hillary Clinton and her staff started that one when she and Obama were going head-to-head for the nomination.  Trump certainly parroted it, but he didn’t start it. 

You're right that it didn't start with Trump. But if I recall correctly, it started among Hillary's supporters in 2008, not her or her staff. I could be wrong though. 

MC185899

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that even though Trump may have some worts and imperfections, says some stuff he shouldn't, and may not be perfect, he is Making America Great Again, so you just gotta kinda take the good with the bad....

Whereas Obama, with all his slick, intelligent, pragmatic, thoughtful, elitist bullshit was just a socialist, possibly Nigerian, threat to us all that needed to be stopped at all costs.

I mean, it makes so much sense when you really think about it.

Obama is practically a Conservative by today’s standards.  He deported more illegals than anyone and was in favor of securing our border.  He was also the first to keep kids in cages and kill hundreds with drone strikes.  But he was a smooth speaker....no doubt about it. 

JimmyV

Debating Obama's record, delving into HRC and birtherism, it's all deflection away from Trump. 

MC185899

Ledbetterman10 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

JimmyV said:

estarr31 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

MC185899 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that Trump is not that bad.  We all just have TDS.  We exaggerate everything about him, and make it look like he's an abject fucking buffoon circus clown with a bunch of followers with an average IQ of 7 that think everything he says is the truth....even if it's clearly and provably false.

It's not that big of a deal that the President speaks at a 5 year old level, while lying or completely making up literally everything that he says, to 1/3 of the country that eats it up with a spoon.

Get a damn grip already. 

Best economy in 50+ years and lowest unemployment ever.  These things used to matter.  

“But he tweeted something mean!!”

The fact that you think Donald Trump....the orange moron that cannot spell the simplest words and Randomly Capitalizes Words! and "uses random quotes" for no reason whatsoever is responsible for the economy is the funnest shit anything you guys on the other side ever say.

If you wanna say the apparatus that he is the face of has made certain decisions and implemented certain programs and policies that you agree with, and they have had certain impacts you like we can talk.

As soon as anyone tells me they think that this man....Donald Trump himself....is personally responsible for anything I tune them out.

I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't even know how to check goddamn email.

Who cares if he knows how to check e-mail??  That’s your barometer for a good politician?  YIKES. 

This incredible economy has all happened on his watch, like it or not.  You can’t give him credit for anything, so what’s the point of trying to discuss it with you?  You are completely irrational on the topic. 

Does Obama not exist in this history?

The real Obama or the boogieman Fox Obama? 

Remember when Donald Trump started a movement to discredit Obama and try and convince complete idiots that he wasn't a natural born US citizen...and continued to do so even after he released his birth certificate to prove otherwise?

I do.

Actually, Hillary Clinton and her staff started that one when she and Obama were going head-to-head for the nomination.  Trump certainly parroted it, but he didn’t start it. 

You're right that it didn't start with Trump. But if I recall correctly, it started among Hillary's supporters in 2008, not her or her staff. I could be wrong though. 

Hillary likes to play dirty.  That one has her fingerprints all over it(although it could have come from her supporters).   It was definitely used as a means to defeat Obama in 2008, but it fell short...as she always does.  

Lizard

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that even though Trump may have some worts and imperfections, says some stuff he shouldn't, and may not be perfect, he is Making America Great Again, so you just gotta kinda take the good with the bad....

Whereas Obama, with all his slick, intelligent, pragmatic, thoughtful, elitist bullshit was just a socialist, possibly Nigerian, threat to us all that needed to be stopped at all costs.

I mean, it makes so much sense when you really think about it.

D'oh!!  I see what ya did there

FC28207

I'm sad for the people who are out hotel/air.. hope it works out for you after phone calls and emails.

As far as the posts on here.. reminds me of a PJ show not so long ago.

I was super early to the Dallas in Nov '14 and all the pit people around me were nice and cordial up to about the 50th guy.  The 50th guy walked past everyone who had civility and who had put their 49 names down on a make-shift list.  He walked right up to the door, and because the creep was 7' tall, he refused to move.  He was going to get in first and there was nothing anyone could do about it.  If you aren't aware, there are PJ fans who are this guy.  It's not the end of the world, they are everywhere.  If you are this 7' tall 50th guy, Fuck you.  The 49 of us were doing fine without you.

Saltzy23

Ledbetterman10 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that even though Trump may have some worts and imperfections, says some stuff he shouldn't, and may not be perfect, he is Making America Great Again, so you just gotta kinda take the good with the bad....

Whereas Obama, with all his slick, intelligent, pragmatic, thoughtful, elitist bullshit was just a socialist, possibly Nigerian, threat to us all that needed to be stopped at all costs.

I mean, it makes so much sense when you really think about it.

I don't think Trump is as good as you make him out to be.

I don't think Obama is as bad as you make him out to be.

They both fall somewhere in the middle...when you really think about it. 

I mean, one is a well spoken Harvard graduate that independently worked himself up from community organizer, to Senator, and eventually to a 2 term 1st black POTUS ever and the other is a complete buffoon that was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple, has repeatedly ran businesses into the ground and into bankruptcy, (including casinos, which is hard to even do), and has been accused of lying, defrauding and conning people basically his entire life....OH, and has also been accused of sexual harassment by a litany of women and was actually recorded saying it's OK to grab them by the pussy....

But yeah, they are basically the same person when you think about it.

JB16057

JimmyV said:

Debating Obama's record, delving into HRC and birtherism, it's all deflection away from Trump. 

Why are we talking about Trump anyways? He has nothing to do with Pearl Jam postponing their tour.

Ledbetterman10

Saltzy23 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys need to understand that even though Trump may have some worts and imperfections, says some stuff he shouldn't, and may not be perfect, he is Making America Great Again, so you just gotta kinda take the good with the bad....

Whereas Obama, with all his slick, intelligent, pragmatic, thoughtful, elitist bullshit was just a socialist, possibly Nigerian, threat to us all that needed to be stopped at all costs.

I mean, it makes so much sense when you really think about it.

I don't think Trump is as good as you make him out to be.

I don't think Obama is as bad as you make him out to be.

They both fall somewhere in the middle...when you really think about it. 

I mean, one is a well spoken Harvard graduate that independently worked himself up from community organizer, to Senator, and eventually to a 2 term POTUS and the other is a complete buffoon that was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple, has repeatedly ran businesses into the ground and into bankruptcy, (including casinos, which is hard to even do), and has been accused of lying, defrauding and conning people basically his entire life....OH, and has also been accused of sexual harassment by a litany of women and was actually recorded saying it's OK to grab them by the pussy....

But yeah, they are basically the same person when you think about it.

Oh. I see. You were being sarcastic. You don't really think Trump is good. And you don't really think Obama is bad. Very funny.

JimmyV

JB16057 said:

JimmyV said:

Debating Obama's record, delving into HRC and birtherism, it's all deflection away from Trump. 

Why are we talking about Trump anyways? He has nothing to do with Pearl Jam postponing their tour.

Because Ed pointed out the band's legitimate concerns regarding the government's ability to handle this crisis, and that triggered Trump fans and fellow travellers to rise up in his defense. There can be no criticism of a deity, you see. 

jeffbr

patkelly12 said:

TDS is not a hoax. 

Correct. I suffer from a mild case of it.
Also not a hoax:
Russian meddling in 2016 Elections
Russian meddling in 2020 Elections
Obstruction of Justice
Coronovirus
Violation of Emoluments Clause
Disproportionate Time Spent Golfing at Trump Properties
Crisis in Leadership amidst COVID-19 Outbreak