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Beating Trump in the fallhttps://youtu.be/Nac45wDO9dY
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sure sounds like an ego maniac who is only in it for himself to me🙄Scio me nihil scire
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myoung321 said:
No medicare for all...no vote.. I'm sick and tired of other "DEMS" using the FEAR word "Socialist" like its the freaking boogey man... Sounds like a GD Right-winger using the same talking points... Was FDR a Socialist? Were the programs created during the New Deal Socialist? ....If so, then I guess I am too... screw it...CM189191 said:myoung321 said:Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?"
But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!!
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November.
You're fine with Socialism for so many things in our society,, so many things improved when we think about the whole instead of the few .......but Healthcare and Education? NO WAY!!!! HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT? As we show we have plenty for another corporate bailout... ... screw the people.. you might get a $1200 check in a few months.. BUY CAKE!!!!
Go look up SCHIP. Hillary did more for universal healthcare than Bernie ever will. If Bernie and his Bros were paying attention back in 2016, Hillary would be president now. There would be 2 liberal judges on the Supreme Court. And you would have your healthcare.
Just like 2016, Bernie continues to sabotage his own agenda by staying in the race. Bernie needs to drop out and maybe he'll get a cabinet position if he's lucky.0 -
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
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Beating Trump in the fallHalifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.Scio me nihil scire
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I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
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And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie. If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.Halifax2TheMax said:
I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
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Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.static111 said:
And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie. If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.Halifax2TheMax said:
I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
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Must be nice to not see the short comings of your own political party and views. Maybe if no one addresses these problems now we can try again in 4 years and 4 more years after that. I don’t think Bernie or democratic socialism is infallible, but I know it’s better than a party run by corporate shills. Of which I don’t think Biden is one. He seems to be a stand up guy and candidate. Not his fault party leadership are a bunch of corporate money backed clowns. What do we want incremental change without doing to much to our bottom line? When do we want it ......incrementally.Halifax2TheMax said:
Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.static111 said:
And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie. If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.Halifax2TheMax said:
I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
I already blame the Berniebrosises for contributing to the train wreck we have now by not supporting Hillary. And I’ll blame them again for their sour grape protest vote.But that thinking isn’t what got us here. Not the years of regulation stripping from Reagan through Obama. If a lot of the laws and protections that were in place before Reagan and the neo liberals got their hands on the driving wheel things wouldn’t be near as bad as they are now. But hey record unemployment endless wars a for profit prison industry that keeps on finding bodies to fill cells, the DARKact that was all trump and the republicans 🤦♂️Post edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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So you're blaming Clinton losing on Bernie now? really? Selective history... She did a fine enough job losing all by herself.. Bernie didn't stop her from campaigning in the rust belt..CM189191 said:myoung321 said:
No medicare for all...no vote.. I'm sick and tired of other "DEMS" using the FEAR word "Socialist" like its the freaking boogey man... Sounds like a GD Right-winger using the same talking points... Was FDR a Socialist? Were the programs created during the New Deal Socialist? ....If so, then I guess I am too... screw it...CM189191 said:myoung321 said:Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?"
But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!!
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November.
You're fine with Socialism for so many things in our society,, so many things improved when we think about the whole instead of the few .......but Healthcare and Education? NO WAY!!!! HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT? As we show we have plenty for another corporate bailout... ... screw the people.. you might get a $1200 check in a few months.. BUY CAKE!!!!
Go look up SCHIP. Hillary did more for universal healthcare than Bernie ever will. If Bernie and his Bros were paying attention back in 2016, Hillary would be president now. There would be 2 liberal judges on the Supreme Court. And you would have your healthcare.
Just like 2016, Bernie continues to sabotage his own agenda by staying in the race. Bernie needs to drop out and maybe he'll get a cabinet position if he's lucky.
My feelings about Biden have zero to do with Bernie.. I'm far from a Bernie Bro, so please stop putting everyone in the same box that disagrees..
Moderate "Dems" have been controlling the party for how long? What has that gotten us? Trump! More Corporate bailouts...
The leadership of the Democratic Party have sold the people out. Sorry, but prove me wrong... You blame Bernie? Hell I blame him for being g too easy on the establishment of the Democratic party... Obama had the House and Senate his first term and we got what? 8 years and we got ObamaCare? A system built by the insurance companies??... So Progressive!!!!Post edited by myoung321 on"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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Gotta Blame someone...This sounds like a Trumper... She Lost !!! Period...Halifax2TheMax said:
Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.static111 said:
And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie. If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.Halifax2TheMax said:
I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
I already blame the Berniebrosises for contributing to the train wreck we have now by not supporting Hillary. And I’ll blame them again for their sour grape protest vote.
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Berniebrosises stayed home, voted third party and some, yes, voted Team Trump Treason. Faux dem, like their cult leader. Yea, really.myoung321 said:
So Bernie Bros spread across the rust belt and stopped people from voting for Hillary.. what???????? really?Halifax2TheMax said:
Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.static111 said:
And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie. If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.Halifax2TheMax said:
I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
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No blame at all for the person you wanted to led the country for not bringing her own party together?Halifax2TheMax said:
Berniebrosises stayed home, voted third party and some, yes, voted Team Trump Treason. Faux dem, like their cult leader. Yea, really.myoung321 said:
So Bernie Bros spread across the rust belt and stopped people from voting for Hillary.. what???????? really?Halifax2TheMax said:
Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.static111 said:
And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie. If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.Halifax2TheMax said:
I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.static111 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you. My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters. I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view. And stay safe to you as well. I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.Halifax2TheMax said:
Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.static111 said:
And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how? Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it. It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust. What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office? So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump. Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives. Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.static111 said:
I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden. I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not. I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional. I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal. If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump?Halifax2TheMax said:
What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?static111 said:If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie? If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party? If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him?This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden. It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame. If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform. Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party? If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.
If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters. So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote . Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.
It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.
I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
I already blame the Berniebrosises for contributing to the train wreck we have now by not supporting Hillary. And I’ll blame them again for their sour grape protest vote.
You don't think she could've done more to win over those voters.... throw a bone out? ...like normal convention agreements.
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myoung321 said:
So you're blaming Clinton losing on Bernie now? really? Selective history... She did a fine enough job losing all by herself.. Bernie didn't stop her from campaigning in the rust belt..CM189191 said:myoung321 said:
No medicare for all...no vote.. I'm sick and tired of other "DEMS" using the FEAR word "Socialist" like its the freaking boogey man... Sounds like a GD Right-winger using the same talking points... Was FDR a Socialist? Were the programs created during the New Deal Socialist? ....If so, then I guess I am too... screw it...CM189191 said:myoung321 said:Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?"
But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!!
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November.
You're fine with Socialism for so many things in our society,, so many things improved when we think about the whole instead of the few .......but Healthcare and Education? NO WAY!!!! HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT? As we show we have plenty for another corporate bailout... ... screw the people.. you might get a $1200 check in a few months.. BUY CAKE!!!!
Go look up SCHIP. Hillary did more for universal healthcare than Bernie ever will. If Bernie and his Bros were paying attention back in 2016, Hillary would be president now. There would be 2 liberal judges on the Supreme Court. And you would have your healthcare.
Just like 2016, Bernie continues to sabotage his own agenda by staying in the race. Bernie needs to drop out and maybe he'll get a cabinet position if he's lucky.
My feelings about Biden have zero to do with Bernie.. I'm far from a Bernie Bro, so please stop putting everyone in the same box that disagrees..
Moderate "Dems" have been controlling the party for how long? What has that gotten us? Trump! More Corporate bailouts...
The leadership of the Democratic Party have sold the people out. Sorry, but prove me wrong... You blame Bernie? Hell I blame him for being g too easy on the establishment of the Democratic party... Obama had the House and Senate his first term and we got what? 8 years and we got ObamaCare? A system built by the insurance companies??... So Progressive!!!!
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Did Bernie drop out yet?
Bernie needs to drop out0 -
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💯josevolution said:There’s 7100 reasons to vote for anyone but the Baffoon! That’s as of today by next week it will be close to 10,000 reasons ..Scio me nihil scire
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Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:Did Bernie drop out yet?
Bernie needs to drop out
It's really sad that you have to resort to baseless personal attacks and lies.
Here's someone with actual empathy and compassion, and you turn it into some sort of sick perversion.Posting slickly edited propaganda videos like this say more about you, then they ever will about Biden.0 -
What’s edited? What’s baseless?CM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:Did Bernie drop out yet?
Bernie needs to drop out
It's really sad that you have to resort to baseless personal attacks and lies.
Here's someone with actual empathy and compassion, and you turn it into some sort of sick perversion.Posting slickly edited propaganda videos like this say more about you, then they ever will about Biden.
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7100 and counting what will it take for Sander supporters to realize we need to get the Baffoon out of office..EarlWelsh said:
What’s edited? What’s baseless?CM189191 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:CM189191 said:Did Bernie drop out yet?
Bernie needs to drop out
It's really sad that you have to resort to baseless personal attacks and lies.
Here's someone with actual empathy and compassion, and you turn it into some sort of sick perversion.Posting slickly edited propaganda videos like this say more about you, then they ever will about Biden.Post edited by Kat onjesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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