More Important: Beating Trump or Stopping Bernie?

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    edited April 2020
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
    I’m on record stating unequivocally that I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee. Hell, I’d vote for a rock. Can the Berniebrosises say the same? Not that I can tell. So much for being a “democrat.”
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Beating Trump in the fall
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
    I’m on record stating unequivocally that I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee. Hell, I’d vote for a rock. Can the Berniebrosises say the same? Not that I can tell. So much for being a “democrat.”
    i am the same way. i voted for bernie in the primary in 2016 and 2020. i am of no delusion that he is going to be the nominee. i am all in on vote blue no matter who because it beats the alternative of trump winning again which will possibly set up a dynasty of trump children running for president afterward.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,483
    Beating Trump in the fall
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
    I’m on record stating unequivocally that I’ll vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee. Hell, I’d vote for a rock. Can the Berniebrosises say the same? Not that I can tell. So much for being a “democrat.”
    ....or 'progressive'....
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    Has Bernie dropped out yet? Will he after he loses Wisconsin biggly?

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Beating Trump in the fall
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,917
    ^^Because he’s not a great candidate (anymore, I think he would have won easily in 2016). He’s just better than Trump. I know...pretty low bar. 
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,298
    I'm not afraid of Bernie at all. I'm disgusted by the smear campaign to turn Joe Biden into a sexual predator because he kicked Bernie's ass.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Beating Trump in the fall
    JimmyV said:
    I'm not afraid of Bernie at all. I'm disgusted by the smear campaign to turn Joe Biden into a sexual predator because he kicked Bernie's ass.
    I’m disgusted by that as well but it’s not Bernies fault
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Beating Trump in the fall
    JimmyV said:
    I'm not afraid of Bernie at all. I'm disgusted by the smear campaign to turn Joe Biden into a sexual predator because he kicked Bernie's ass.
    i am too. it is a terrible look for bernie and his supporters.
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,455
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet?

    Bernie needs to drop out
    Yeah, we heard you the first hundred fucking times.
    And if you're fucking stupid enough to think Joe Biden is going to be any god damn different than Trump, I've got some piss and diarrhea disguised as hand sanitizer to sell you.  It works great for social distancing!
    mfc2006 said:
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
    BINGO.
    Then tell the DNC to quit fucking over the candidate that voting democrats WANT!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Beating Trump in the fall
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet?

    Bernie needs to drop out
    Yeah, we heard you the first hundred fucking times.
    And if you're fucking stupid enough to think Joe Biden is going to be any god damn different than Trump, I've got some piss and diarrhea disguised as hand sanitizer to sell you.  It works great for social distancing!
    mfc2006 said:
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
    BINGO.
    Then tell the DNC to quit fucking over the candidate that voting democrats WANT!
    with all due respect, bernie has been rejected by more voters.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    Did Bernie drop out yet?

    Bernie needs to drop out
    Yeah, we heard you the first hundred fucking times.
    And if you're fucking stupid enough to think Joe Biden is going to be any god damn different than Trump, I've got some piss and diarrhea disguised as hand sanitizer to sell you.  It works great for social distancing!
    mfc2006 said:
    you people are losing sight of the goal here. 

    the goal is to defeat trump. this infighting and division is what team trump and the russians want, because the only way they win is if democrats get butthurt about the nominee and do not turn out to vote.

    if biden is the nominee, and you bernie supporters refuse to turn out, then fuck you, just go vote for trump, because a non vote for a democrat is a tacit vote for trump.

    if bernie is the nominee, and you biden supporters refuse to vote for bernie, then fuck you too and go vote for trump.

    i've had it with this campaign and i have had it with the infighting on our side.

    a 2 year campaign for a 4-8 year job is fucking ridiculous and all it does is damage our side.

    you all keep fighting like this, and i promise you trump will win again.
    BINGO.
    Then tell the DNC to quit fucking over the candidate that voting democrats WANT!

    Voters didn't show up for Bernie

    Bernie needs to drop out.  He's damaging his own movement.
  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    Beating Trump in the fall
    Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?" 

    But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!! 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    myoung321 said:
    Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?" 

    But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!! 


    Get it out now.  Biden will still need your vote in November.
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Beating Trump in the fall
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
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    CM189191 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?" 

    But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!! 


    Get it out now.  Biden will still need your vote in November.
    No medicare for all...no vote.. I'm sick and tired of other "DEMS" using the FEAR word "Socialist" like its the freaking boogey man... Sounds like a GD Right-winger using the same talking points... Was FDR a Socialist?  Were the programs created during the New Deal Socialist? ....If so, then I guess I am too... screw it... 

    You're fine with Socialism for so many things in our society,, so many things  improved when we think about the whole instead of the few .......but Healthcare and Education? NO WAY!!!! HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT?  As we show we have plenty for another corporate bailout... ... screw the people.. you might get a $1200 check in a few months..  BUY CAKE!!!! 

     
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    https://youtu.be/Nac45wDO9dY
    https://youtu.be/Nac45wDO9dY

    sure sounds like an ego maniac who is only in it for himself to me🙄
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    myoung321 said:
    CM189191 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?" 

    But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!! 


    Get it out now.  Biden will still need your vote in November.
    No medicare for all...no vote.. I'm sick and tired of other "DEMS" using the FEAR word "Socialist" like its the freaking boogey man... Sounds like a GD Right-winger using the same talking points... Was FDR a Socialist?  Were the programs created during the New Deal Socialist? ....If so, then I guess I am too... screw it... 

    You're fine with Socialism for so many things in our society,, so many things  improved when we think about the whole instead of the few .......but Healthcare and Education? NO WAY!!!! HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT?  As we show we have plenty for another corporate bailout... ... screw the people.. you might get a $1200 check in a few months..  BUY CAKE!!!! 

     

    Go look up SCHIP.  Hillary did more for universal healthcare than Bernie ever will. If Bernie and his Bros were paying attention back in 2016, Hillary would be president now. There would be 2 liberal judges on the Supreme Court. And you would have your healthcare.

    Just like 2016, Bernie continues to sabotage his own agenda by staying in the race. Bernie needs to drop out and maybe he'll get a cabinet position if he's lucky. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you.  My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters.  I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view.  And stay safe to you as well.  I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you.  My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters.  I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view.  And stay safe to you as well.  I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.
    I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Beating Trump in the fall
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you.  My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters.  I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view.  And stay safe to you as well.  I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.
    I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.
    And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie.  If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,338
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you.  My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters.  I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view.  And stay safe to you as well.  I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.
    I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.
    And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie.  If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.
    Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.

    I already blame the Berniebrosises for contributing to the train wreck we have now by not supporting Hillary. And I’ll blame them again for their sour grape protest vote.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited April 2020
    Beating Trump in the fall
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you.  My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters.  I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view.  And stay safe to you as well.  I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.
    I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.
    And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie.  If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.
    Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.

    I already blame the Berniebrosises for contributing to the train wreck we have now by not supporting Hillary. And I’ll blame them again for their sour grape protest vote.
    Must be nice to not see the short comings of your own political party and views. Maybe if no one addresses these problems now we can try again in 4 years and 4 more years after that. I don’t think Bernie or democratic socialism is infallible, but I know it’s better than a party run by corporate shills.  Of which I don’t think Biden is one. He seems to be a stand up guy and candidate. Not his fault party leadership are a bunch of corporate money backed clowns.  What do we want incremental change without doing to much to our bottom line? When do we want it ......incrementally. 

         But that thinking isn’t what got us here.  Not the years of regulation stripping from Reagan through Obama.  If a lot of the laws and protections that were in place  before Reagan and the neo liberals got their hands on the driving wheel things wouldn’t be near as bad as they are now. But hey record unemployment endless wars a for profit prison industry that keeps on finding bodies to fill cells, the  DARKact that was all trump and the republicans 🤦‍♂️ 
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited April 2020
    Beating Trump in the fall
    CM189191 said:
    myoung321 said:
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    Progressives told again to go away, the party doesn't want you. Fuck Medicare for All even with millions out of work and thousands getting sick... "We want more of the same thing again, thank you ....another please!" "Can't the sick and unemployed eat cake?" 

    But hey lets push through another Corporate Bailout in record time!! Thanks Pelosi.....more please!!!! 


    Get it out now.  Biden will still need your vote in November.
    No medicare for all...no vote.. I'm sick and tired of other "DEMS" using the FEAR word "Socialist" like its the freaking boogey man... Sounds like a GD Right-winger using the same talking points... Was FDR a Socialist?  Were the programs created during the New Deal Socialist? ....If so, then I guess I am too... screw it... 

    You're fine with Socialism for so many things in our society,, so many things  improved when we think about the whole instead of the few .......but Healthcare and Education? NO WAY!!!! HOW WILL WE PAY FOR IT?  As we show we have plenty for another corporate bailout... ... screw the people.. you might get a $1200 check in a few months..  BUY CAKE!!!! 

     

    Go look up SCHIP.  Hillary did more for universal healthcare than Bernie ever will. If Bernie and his Bros were paying attention back in 2016, Hillary would be president now. There would be 2 liberal judges on the Supreme Court. And you would have your healthcare.

    Just like 2016, Bernie continues to sabotage his own agenda by staying in the race. Bernie needs to drop out and maybe he'll get a cabinet position if he's lucky. 
    So you're blaming Clinton losing on Bernie now? really?  Selective history... She did a fine enough job losing all by herself.. Bernie didn't stop her from campaigning in the rust belt.. 

    My feelings about Biden have zero to do with Bernie.. I'm far from a Bernie Bro, so please stop putting everyone in the same box that disagrees..

    Moderate "Dems" have been controlling the party for how long? What has that gotten us? Trump! More Corporate bailouts... 

    The leadership of the Democratic Party have sold the people out. Sorry, but prove me wrong... You blame Bernie? Hell I blame him for being g too easy on the establishment of the Democratic party...  Obama had the House and Senate his first term and we got what? 8 years and we got ObamaCare? A system built by the insurance companies??... So Progressive!!!!
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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
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    Beating Trump in the fall
    static111 said:
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    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    static111 said:
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    If Biden is such a great candidate why is everyone so afraid of Bernie?  If Biden needs the progressive votes and the young votes, why doesn’t he do more to sway our opinions that he is a candidate that can unite the party?  If Biden is the presumed nominee isn’t it his job to bring progressive voters to him? 

     This whole crap on Bernie thing just reeks of looking to scapegoat the failings of the Democratic Party and Biden.  It is convenient because neither the Democratic Party nor Biden will have to look inside and say, what can I do to improve? If Biden does lose to Trump everyone can keep playing the blame Bernie game, and then in 4 more years when they run another milquetoast candidate they will find another person to blame.  If Biden is so great of a leader surely he has nothing to fear from Bernie staying in the race a little longer to leverage his position to bring more progressive goals to the party platform.  Isn’t the whole point of this competition to bring the strongest face of the party?  If Biden’s campaign can’t handle Bernie lingering a little longer they have no hope against Trump and the GOP.

    If you don’t think Trump is going to miraculously come out of this corona virus thing way ahead of the ball you haven’t paid attention to how he has defied all odds since 2016. But yeah it is way easier to blame Bernie and his supporters.  So keep taking the easy way and blaming Bernie instead of looking at the DNCs short falls and doing something positive to promote .   Or deflect seems a lot of people are good at that around here.


    It seems that Biden and Bernie camps have been talking so maybe they will figure it out so we can all stop arguing.
    Biden/Warren would be a ticket I could believe in.
    What part of “not winning primaries and delegates” do you not understand? It’s not that Bernie is in the race, it’s that he’s doing worse this time around with his own “core” constituency and Biden is winning. What do you want the DNC to do? Overrule dem primary voters?

    One thing I’ll be grateful for after November is that Bernie will be finished, done, relegated to the footnotes of political history. He can finish out his senate career and retire to the Green Mountain State.

    I believe in any dem ticket. Even if it’s a rock.
    I’ve said from the beginning I am going to vote for the nominee who is presumably Biden.  I could give a shit if Bernie has a path to victory or not.  I think it would be horrible to overrule voters and force bernie on anyone that didn’t vote for him. I also think it would be horrible to not let voters that haven’t had their chance make their voice count, even if Bernie only were to get 25% of what’s left, that tells the DNC that there are a hell of a lot of people that support the platform Bernie is running on. Some people still believe in voting their conscience. But yeah we should just tell them they don’t get a chance ‘cause trump. If you don’t think the race wouldn’t have turned out different if Nobody had dropped out on the eve of Super Tuesday you are delusional.  I get it Biden is going to be the nominee. Big deal.  If the nominee can’t handle Bernie staying in for a few more weeks how is he supposed to handle Trump? 
    If Bernie were smart, he'd make a deal with Biden to drop out, offer full voiced support for his candidacy in exchange for some Bernie inspired platforms and campaign promises. But its not going to be free college and M4A as those are being rejected at the polls. But Bernie's not smart, he's an ego maniac, hell bent on bringing down the party he's not a member of. Just like Team Trump Treason isn't a repub and has destroyed that party and turned into a white nationalist party. Except Bernie wants the dems to be a "socialist" party. Hell, one supporter on this very forum wants to suspend due process and thinks an allegation is enough for someone to be ruined. Welcome to the Collective? No, thank you.
    And you know that these talks aren’t in progress how?  Didn’t Joe Biden himself say that the two campaigns were currently in talks? It would be foolish for Bernie to drop out before he can get everything he can as far as his platform out of it.  It would also be foolish for Biden to think that he can get every vote by just leaving Bernie in the dust.  What scenario brings the Bernie voter that might stay home or vote Trump to watch it all burn down to the table? The one where you shit all over the voters number one choice and say fall in line cause Trump, or the one where you actually reach a negotiation with the other major candidate and he then tells said supporters we ran a strong campaign and were able to accomplish some amazing things and bring our ideas to the table, now go out there and Vote for Biden and let’s get Trump out of office?   So is it the one where you shit all over the hard core supporters number 1 choice? Of course it isn’t. But continue shaming and shitting on people and see how that carries out the great victory over Trump.  Contrary to popular belief most Bernie supporters aren’t Bernie bro’s pushing sexual assault narratives.  Is there truth to those allegations? Who knows. Could it be a smear job? Maybe. I agree that it should go through the legal system and not the court of Media and public opinion.
    Pie in the sky versus reality. It’s quite easy to see which one you’ve picked. As has been explained ad infinitum, Bernie’s fucking message ain’t resonating with dems, in a fucking dem primary. Who’s shitting on who? Berniebrosises on dems or Bernie’s supporters on dems. Stay the fuck home then. Sweet baby jeebus the next few months will suck listening to the whine. The “hard core Bernie supporters” would rather eat cake. They’re not in it to win it but to stand smugly up and think they’re pure. They’d rather burn it all down. It’s evident because some even think Biden = Team Trump Treason. How’s that for shitting on dems? Don’t “fall in line” and enjoy 4 more years of Team Trump Treason shitting all over you. Repeatedly. That’s your choice. Stay safe.
    Good luck living with yourself if Trump wins.... I can’t imagine it would be easy for you.  My take on this thread is that most of the whining is coming from Biden supporters directed toward Bernie supporters.  I.e. your guy lost our guy won it’s our ball we don’t want you anyway. I guess we all have our own lens to view.  And stay safe to you as well.  I’ll be joining you in November voting blue whether you want my help or not , if we have an election at all that is.
    I didn't vote Team Trump Treason and I don't consider him my or "our" president. I consider him putin on the Ritz's bitch. I'll sleep well regardless and will be able to live with myself because my belief system and outlook is firmly grounded in reality and facts. I didn't drink the cool aide and believe a return to normalcy and incremental change for the better is what is needed. But those Bernie supporters who think four more of years of Team Trump Treason is preferable to Biden probably think that what were dealing with now is preferable to having Hillary in charge. And there is no hope or future in that. And you won't be able to blame me for what four more years of Team Trump Treason will wrought.
    And I won’t. Nor will you be able to blame Bernie supporters or Bernie.  If you don’t need Bernie or his supporters why are you so focused on him/them. Clearly your superior candidate will have no problem winning an election without any broad based support that Bernie can bring.
    Dems shouldn’t have to beg for Bernie’s “dem” votes. It’s the blue dog Reagan dems and indies we need to appeal to. But you keep looking at things through your purity filter.

    I already blame the Berniebrosises for contributing to the train wreck we have now by not supporting Hillary. And I’ll blame them again for their sour grape protest vote.
    Gotta Blame someone...This sounds like a Trumper... She Lost !!! Period... 

     Bernie Bros didn't spread across the rust belt and stop people from voting for Hillary..  really?
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