"Gigaton" and its tracks on the charts

igotid88

The next best thing they can do is drop the digital price to $3.99 like Dua Lipa did

BF25394

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

igotid88

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

Yea but it counts

BF25394

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

Yea but it counts

Counts toward what?  The Billboard 200?  Sure, but I said I was talking about Top Album Sales.  The streaming numbers don't offer any meaningful comparable with any other Pearl Jam studio album because they all charted on the Billboard 200 before streaming was included on that chart.  And we have no idea if 10,000 streaming equivalents means that 150,000 people streamed all 12 tracks or if 150,000 people streamed "Dance Of The Clairvoyants" 12 times each.  The former would tell us something about album consumption; the latter tells us nothing about album consumption but a lot about the popularity of the individual track.  Counting streams of individual tracks toward an album chart renders the whole thing incoherent.

igotid88

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

Yea but it counts

Counts toward what?  The Billboard 200?  Sure, but I said I was talking about Top Album Sales.  The streaming numbers don't offer any meaningful comparable with any other Pearl Jam studio album because they all charted on the Billboard 200 before streaming was included on that chart.  And we have no idea if 10,000 streaming equivalents means that 150,000 people streamed all 12 tracks or if 150,000 people streamed "Dance Of The Clairvoyants" 12 times each.  The former would tell us something about album consumption; the latter tells us nothing about album consumption but a lot about the popularity of the individual track.  Counting streams of individual tracks toward an album chart renders the whole thing incoherent.

I don't disagree. But those numbers will count towards it going gold, platinum, or diamond

BF25394

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

Yea but it counts

Counts toward what?  The Billboard 200?  Sure, but I said I was talking about Top Album Sales.  The streaming numbers don't offer any meaningful comparable with any other Pearl Jam studio album because they all charted on the Billboard 200 before streaming was included on that chart.  And we have no idea if 10,000 streaming equivalents means that 150,000 people streamed all 12 tracks or if 150,000 people streamed "Dance Of The Clairvoyants" 12 times each.  The former would tell us something about album consumption; the latter tells us nothing about album consumption but a lot about the popularity of the individual track.  Counting streams of individual tracks toward an album chart renders the whole thing incoherent.

I don't disagree. But those numbers will count towards it going gold, platinum, or diamond

Oh, I see.  That's true, but it doesn't seem like it has a snowball's chance in hell of getting to gold if its top streaming week is 12,000.  It was streamed so little this week that it didn't rank among the Billboard 200 despite being No. 15 in sales.

igotid88

I think The Strokes dropped out of the 200 already.
Let's see if River Cross makes one of the rock charts next week

igotid88

While Billboard had Gigaton at #66 on the 2nd week
Rollingstone chart had it at #121 with 7.3k album units. 4.6k album sales, 1.1k song sales, and 2.5 million song streams

hrd2imgn

down to 66 on top 200 after one week

igotid88

hrd2imgn said:

down to 66 on top 200 after one week

That was a week ago. Such a great album. 

BF25394

hrd2imgn said:

down to 66 on top 200 after one week

You should read the rest of this thread for up-to-date information and context.  Or at least look at the original post.

BF25394

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

Yea but it counts

Counts toward what?  The Billboard 200?  Sure, but I said I was talking about Top Album Sales.  The streaming numbers don't offer any meaningful comparable with any other Pearl Jam studio album because they all charted on the Billboard 200 before streaming was included on that chart.  And we have no idea if 10,000 streaming equivalents means that 150,000 people streamed all 12 tracks or if 150,000 people streamed "Dance Of The Clairvoyants" 12 times each.  The former would tell us something about album consumption; the latter tells us nothing about album consumption but a lot about the popularity of the individual track.  Counting streams of individual tracks toward an album chart renders the whole thing incoherent.

I don't disagree. But those numbers will count towards it going gold, platinum, or diamond

By the way, the other thing to keep in mind about RIAA certifications is that, even if they could somehow get to 500,000, they would have to seek certification from the RIAA.  It's not automatic.  Given that the band doesn't seem to care, and that it's not free, I'd be surprised if they bothered.  In the past, the record company had an incentive to do this and the record company paid for it.  They're on their own label now, and the distributor would almost certainly not shell out for this.

igotid88

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

igotid88 said:

BF25394 said:

Updated for week ending April 25, 2020.

"Superblood Wolfmoon" continues to make small but steady gains at rock radio.

Gigaton falls out of the Billboard 200 after two weeks, but remains at No. 15 in Top Album Sales.  Harry Styles at No. 14 sold about 4,000.  Dua Lipa at No. 16 sold about 3,700.  So figure that Pearl Jam sold in the high 3,000s.  That would give it a sales trajectory of 55,000-~10,000-~4,000.  It will be hard to get to 100,000 at that rate.

Plus the streams

I'm only talking about sales here.  I put no stock in streaming equivalents.  

Yea but it counts

Counts toward what?  The Billboard 200?  Sure, but I said I was talking about Top Album Sales.  The streaming numbers don't offer any meaningful comparable with any other Pearl Jam studio album because they all charted on the Billboard 200 before streaming was included on that chart.  And we have no idea if 10,000 streaming equivalents means that 150,000 people streamed all 12 tracks or if 150,000 people streamed "Dance Of The Clairvoyants" 12 times each.  The former would tell us something about album consumption; the latter tells us nothing about album consumption but a lot about the popularity of the individual track.  Counting streams of individual tracks toward an album chart renders the whole thing incoherent.

I don't disagree. But those numbers will count towards it going gold, platinum, or diamond

By the way, the other thing to keep in mind about RIAA certifications is that, even if they could somehow get to 500,000, they would have to seek certification from the RIAA.  It's not automatic.  Given that the band doesn't seem to care, and that it's not free, I'd be surprised if they bothered.  In the past, the record company had an incentive to do this and the record company paid for it.  They're on their own label now, and the distributor would almost certainly not shell out for this.

Yea. I figured that also. But Just Breathe got platinum and they weren't in a label then. But I would think Jeremy should be platinum by now and Alive gold? Heck, Last Kiss should be platinum by now.
And does a song have to be an official single to be eligible now? I'm not sure how it works in the streaming age

KN219077

Seems weird to me that a band that can sell out safeco field 2 nights can’t sell 100k albums when the album is quite good. Does no one own music anymore? 

igotid88

KN219077 said:

Seems weird to me that a band that can sell out safeco field 2 nights can’t sell 100k albums when the album is quite good. Does no one own music anymore? 

Not as much as before. It's all about streaming. And also with Pearl Jam. Some of their fans only want the live stuff.

DLeyde

I’ve listened to the album at least once all the way through everyday since it came out, but this is the first physical PJ album I haven’t purchased yet.  Spotify has made it kind of unnecessary to buy an album which is why the sales are lower than expected.  The band is compensated for streaming plays but I have no idea how that compares to a record purchase.  The album is amazing.  It deserves to be heard and I really appreciate that my favorite band still kicks ass this far into their career.   

igotid88

DLeyde said:

I’ve listened to the album at least once all the way through everyday since it came out, but this is the first physical PJ album I haven’t purchased yet.  Spotify has made it kind of unnecessary to buy an album which is why the sales are lower than expected.  The band is compensated for streaming plays but I have no idea how that compares to a record purchase.  The album is amazing.  It deserves to be heard and I really appreciate that my favorite band still kicks ass this far into their career.   

Very low compared to buying the album. Do you have a paid subscription or free? If paid you would have to do what you do 1500 more times for it to equal 1 sale.

BF25394

DLeyde said:

I’ve listened to the album at least once all the way through everyday since it came out, but this is the first physical PJ album I haven’t purchased yet.  Spotify has made it kind of unnecessary to buy an album which is why the sales are lower than expected.  The band is compensated for streaming plays but I have no idea how that compares to a record purchase.  The album is amazing.  It deserves to be heard and I really appreciate that my favorite band still kicks ass this far into their career.   

Unnecessary, perhaps, but you get better sound quality and the package, which is something the band put a lot of time into creating and which can enhance the experience of listening to the record.  I realize these advantages aren't as valuable to everyone as they are to me.

BF25394

KN219077 said:

Seems weird to me that a band that can sell out safeco field 2 nights can’t sell 100k albums when the album is quite good. Does no one own music anymore? 

Keep a couple of things in mind.  A significant portion of the crowd at a two-night event consists of the same people attending both shows.  So 80,000 people over two nights might only be 50,000 unique individuals.  Second, of those say 50,000 unique individuals, a very large number of them have very little interest in anything the band has done since 1998; for some people, it's 1994.  They haven't bought a Pearl Jam album this century and they're not going to start now.

Finally, while this album was probably never going to sell much more than 100,000 copies its first week-- if that-- it was released into an unprecedented retail environment that had to negatively affect sales.

(And this is without even answering the question of whether the Ten Club reports direct sales to Nielsen Soundscan.  It is possible that they do not.)

igotid88

I was wondering if the Apple TV things would move the needle. But so far it's dropping on ITunes and Amazon digital.  CD is still doing good