Who is your choice in the Democratic Presidential Primary?

CM189191

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Bernie Sanders

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

dignin

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

That's not how the nomination process works. The party decides who is going to run. It's not a "fuck democracy" thing.

That said, it would be a mistake to remove Bernie.

CM189191

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

But you knew that.

mace1229

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

I'm not. Just stating facts from 4 years ago. I think whoever the people vote for should be the nominee. That is the whole point of an election, no matter how horrible the choice is. Our constitution limits presidents to 2 terms partly for that reason.
Trump was the last person I wanted chosen out of the 16 or so who started, but I don't think they should have stepped in and prevented him from winning.

pjl44

Andrew Yang

dignin said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

That's not how the nomination process works. The party decides who is going to run. It's not a "fuck democracy" thing.

That said, it would be a mistake to remove Bernie.

An interesting read on this very topic:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/cancel-primaries-bring-back-smoke-filled-rooms/

dankind

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

But you knew that.

Now for sale over on the DNC’s website. 

benjs

Mike Bloomberg

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

But you knew that.

That may be true, but requiring a majority in the general election to win it, makes it extremely difficult for anything but a duopoly to exist in the USA. Then, if those two parties are (practically speaking) the only avenues to the presidency, and one has to be vetted by the private organizations prior to being nominated, then I'd argue that he's right and it's just not a democratic process. You could argue that this is evidenced by the fact that it's only been one of the two major parties who's ever actually succeeded.

CM189191

benjs said:

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

But you knew that.

That may be true, but requiring a majority in the general election to win it, makes it extremely difficult for anything but a duopoly to exist in the USA. Then, if those two parties are (practically speaking) the only avenues to the presidency, and one has to be vetted by the private organizations prior to being nominated, then I'd argue that he's right and it's just not a democratic process. You could argue that this is evidenced by the fact that it's only been one of the two major parties who's ever actually succeeded.

which is why we need ranked choice voting

that aside, has Bernie been vetted?
where are the medical records he promised?

forget non-stop commercials about socialism:
he was a deadbeat dad, no?
his wife was embroiled in scandal, no?
tell me more about his gangrape fantasies

...the list goes on...

Beware the person who chooses their own opponent

HughFreakingDillon

Elisabeth Warren

benjs said:

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

The DNC gets to choose who they want to support and promote.  It is not a public, democratic body.  It is a private organization.  

But you knew that.

That may be true, but requiring a majority in the general election to win it, makes it extremely difficult for anything but a duopoly to exist in the USA. Then, if those two parties are (practically speaking) the only avenues to the presidency, and one has to be vetted by the private organizations prior to being nominated, then I'd argue that he's right and it's just not a democratic process. You could argue that this is evidenced by the fact that it's only been one of the two major parties who's ever actually succeeded.

it's essentially the same process in canada, though. each party chooses their own leader. but in the states it's just a massively drawn out process so the party can be sure they are nominating the most popular candidate. people seem to think that the party is beholden to the convention, and it isn't. they mostly do choose the most popular candidate, but if they feel that they can't bring in swing voters or voters from the other party, it's well within their right to choose someone else. this whole "bernie got fucked in 2016" is hogwash. they can choose whomever they want. 

in canada they just vote internally. and I'm thankful AF for that. i can't imagine if our federal elections took up half of each PM term. the system is beyond ridiculous. 

brianlux

Andrew Yang

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

Well, my ballot is filled out, sealed in the envelope and ready to mail.   In the end, believing a vote for Yang would be a throw away vote (he is still my favorite by far!) and believing Bernie will take California anyway, I went with Amy Klobuchar.  I still like what Bernie stands for, I still believe we need more progressive people in office, but most of all, I believe we need to not get stuck with Trump for another for years.

For those who gave me shit for saying I was going to vote for Sanders, please, just keep your comments to yourself.  I don't need to hear it, thanks.

KLOMENTUM!!

Amy/Pete 2020!!

"Klomentum" LOL.  Big question is, what are her chances?  I really don't know.

Amy as pres. and somebody as VP would be great.  I liked Pete a lot for a while but I can't say I'm big on him right now.  I really disliked him in the last two debates.   But I'd take Pete over Dumpster for president any day and Pete for VP over some of the billionaire candidates, as well. 

Well she's intelligent, qualified, well spoken, successful.  So her chances are somewhere between slim and none because American voters are f****** morons.

As was Andrew Yang (at least I think so.)

Only the good (candidates) die (out of the election process) young.

Klobuchar was the primary sponsor of 34 bills that were enacted. 

How many did Yang have again? 

None.  Obviously.

But look, here's the deal for me.  Much as I like her in some ways and hope she can beat Trump if nominated (we can collectively say a big "duh"! to that), Amy is a career status quo centrist business pretty much as usual politician.  I've watched that kind of "progress" happen since I first started voting in the early 70's.  50 years of politics as usual and I'm watching this country and the world go to hell.  It's time to try something different with someone smart and who has good, innovative, forward thinking ideas.  That is what I see in Andrew Yang.   You're not going to talk me out of liking Yang, so you might want to channel that energy in another direction.

Spiritual_Chaos

Bernie Sanders

dignin said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 

friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
there's a long road ahead
as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
(that won't be bernie)

That is exactly what everyone said about Trump 4 years ago. Everyone said "don't worry, as some of the other 15 candidates drop out then their votes will not go to Trump." But that is exactly what happened. I'm guessing it will happen here too. Bernie only needs about 20% of the other voters when they drop to keep the lead, and that isnt much.

I agree.  The GOP/RNC should have stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Happy to see you advocating for DNC intervention.  Remove Bernie as a candidate, the sooner the better. 

FUCK DEMOCRACY

AM 

I 

RITE

That's not how the nomination process works. The party decides who is going to run. It's not a "fuck democracy" thing.

That said, it would be a mistake to remove Bernie.

Still democracy and listening to ones members within an organization. 

At least where I'm from.

CM189191

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

Well, my ballot is filled out, sealed in the envelope and ready to mail.   In the end, believing a vote for Yang would be a throw away vote (he is still my favorite by far!) and believing Bernie will take California anyway, I went with Amy Klobuchar.  I still like what Bernie stands for, I still believe we need more progressive people in office, but most of all, I believe we need to not get stuck with Trump for another for years.

For those who gave me shit for saying I was going to vote for Sanders, please, just keep your comments to yourself.  I don't need to hear it, thanks.

KLOMENTUM!!

Amy/Pete 2020!!

"Klomentum" LOL.  Big question is, what are her chances?  I really don't know.

Amy as pres. and somebody as VP would be great.  I liked Pete a lot for a while but I can't say I'm big on him right now.  I really disliked him in the last two debates.   But I'd take Pete over Dumpster for president any day and Pete for VP over some of the billionaire candidates, as well. 

Well she's intelligent, qualified, well spoken, successful.  So her chances are somewhere between slim and none because American voters are f****** morons.

As was Andrew Yang (at least I think so.)

Only the good (candidates) die (out of the election process) young.

Klobuchar was the primary sponsor of 34 bills that were enacted. 

How many did Yang have again? 

None.  Obviously.

But look, here's the deal for me.  Much as I like her in some ways and hope she can beat Trump if nominated (we can collectively say a big "duh"! to that), Amy is a career status quo centrist business pretty much as usual politician.  I've watched that kind of "progress" happen since I first started voting in the early 70's.  50 years of politics as usual and I'm watching this country and the world go to hell.  It's time to try something different with someone smart and who has good, innovative, forward thinking ideas.  That is what I see in Andrew Yang.   You're not going to talk me out of liking Yang, so you might want to channel that energy in another direction.

Maybe the rest of the country is going to hell, but things are pretty good up here in MN.  

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

do the math

HughFreakingDillon

Elisabeth Warren

can someone who hates warren tell me why?

Spiritual_Chaos

Bernie Sanders

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

CM189191 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!

You are the first winner. 

Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!

So tell me who would beat Trump if not Bernie? 

someone who is interested in uniting people, instead of dividing them

I believe the "we need to unite" thing is a pundit and political air castle thing without base in reality. People have argued that the low turnout in the early states was because they were content with whoever got elected. Anyone being better than Trump.

CM189191 said:

really anyone except bernie

Lol.. yeah.... okey... no need to go down your list any further it seems.. Put your life savings on Steyer. And I keep mine on the most beloved senator in the country, Bernie Sanders.

Steyer stands a better chance against Trump than Bernie does. He'll lose too though.

Bernie will get his ass kicked in the swing states that matter. Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania Florida Ohio none of these states are going to go for Bernie.

He'll sweep them. 

No, Bernie will get his ass handed to him in flyover swing states.

Accelerated Disruption is a good way to leverage a smart idea and technology to successfully grow businesses and create distinct competitive advantage in traditional industries.

Accelerated Disruption is not good for government.  Government is designed to be a long-term stable foundation upon which civilization is built. This solid foundation allows capitalism to grow and prosper, while mitigating the risks involved. 

I guess some people just want to watch the world burn. 

Lol. You almost had me till the bolded. 

Predatory capitalism prospering > People 

is a weird thing to consider a solid foundation.

Sanders is trying to give your country that solid foundation, decades later than other major countries.

Just disruptive to the ones in power that needs to be disrupted.



#SandersSwooping

Spiritual_Chaos

Bernie Sanders

HughFreakingDillon said:

can someone who hates warren tell me why?

Because she's bending her moral backbone when panic seeps in and polling plummeting.

Ledbetterman10

Joe Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

can someone who hates warren tell me why?

I don't hate her, but I do find her very annoying. Like the Bloomberg "kill it" stuff in the last debate. Even if that's true, it's not a morality contest. Who can beat Trump? And who can actually govern? That's what people care about. Not if Bloomberg said something very mean years ago. 

Also, she's hard to take seriously sometimes. Please watch this video. She, in a serious tone, suggests that she's going to have a 10-year-old help her pick her secretary of education. A 10-year-old. That sort of stuff makes Trump seem smart by comparison. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk-yvUOQm0E

brianlux

Andrew Yang

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

CM189191 said:

brianlux said:

Well, my ballot is filled out, sealed in the envelope and ready to mail.   In the end, believing a vote for Yang would be a throw away vote (he is still my favorite by far!) and believing Bernie will take California anyway, I went with Amy Klobuchar.  I still like what Bernie stands for, I still believe we need more progressive people in office, but most of all, I believe we need to not get stuck with Trump for another for years.

For those who gave me shit for saying I was going to vote for Sanders, please, just keep your comments to yourself.  I don't need to hear it, thanks.

KLOMENTUM!!

Amy/Pete 2020!!

"Klomentum" LOL.  Big question is, what are her chances?  I really don't know.

Amy as pres. and somebody as VP would be great.  I liked Pete a lot for a while but I can't say I'm big on him right now.  I really disliked him in the last two debates.   But I'd take Pete over Dumpster for president any day and Pete for VP over some of the billionaire candidates, as well. 

Well she's intelligent, qualified, well spoken, successful.  So her chances are somewhere between slim and none because American voters are f****** morons.

As was Andrew Yang (at least I think so.)

Only the good (candidates) die (out of the election process) young.

Klobuchar was the primary sponsor of 34 bills that were enacted. 

How many did Yang have again? 

None.  Obviously.

But look, here's the deal for me.  Much as I like her in some ways and hope she can beat Trump if nominated (we can collectively say a big "duh"! to that), Amy is a career status quo centrist business pretty much as usual politician.  I've watched that kind of "progress" happen since I first started voting in the early 70's.  50 years of politics as usual and I'm watching this country and the world go to hell.  It's time to try something different with someone smart and who has good, innovative, forward thinking ideas.  That is what I see in Andrew Yang.   You're not going to talk me out of liking Yang, so you might want to channel that energy in another direction.

Maybe the rest of the country is going to hell, but things are pretty good up here in MN.  

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

do the math

Things may (or may not- I don't believe every thing I read, especially from a source like US News) be getting better in some parts of the country and/or the world.  The country and the world in general are in worse shape than they were 50 years ago.  If your little corner is doing well, well, good for you.  I'm concerned about the bigger picture. 

OnWis97

Elisabeth Warren

CM189191 said:

Serious question: Bernie's ancient, just had a heart attack, and knocking on death store.

Who does he pick his VP?

No one on that debate stage is going to stand with him.

Is it Tulsi Gabbard, Marianne Williamson, Jill Stein?

Who does Bernie pick as his number two?

If it's one of the two bolded, I'm out on "vote blue no matter who."  I'm not sure whether Bernie's on the up-and-up, Russian-asset-wise, but if he picks a Russian asset, I'm out.  Williamson?  I don't know much about her...I'd have to look into it.

If he wants to win, he'd have to "compromise" and go for someone that appeals to the moderates.  Warren?  Cory Booker?  Someone else?  But frankly, I'm concerned that compromise isn't his thing.

Spiritual_Chaos

Bernie Sanders

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

can someone who hates warren tell me why?

I don't hate her, but I do find her very annoying. Like the Bloomberg "kill it" stuff in the last debate. Even if that's true, it's not a morality contest. Who can beat Trump? And who can actually govern? That's what people care about. Not if Bloomberg said something very mean years ago. 

Think to live in a world where people are A-OK with having a president who told a female employee who was pregnant to "kill it" about her child (among other things).

- But he can govern! Look at all these racist policies he's a fan of!