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    Joe Biden
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 
    friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
    there's a long road ahead
    as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
    (that won't be bernie)
    bernie has 43 delegates
    the rest of the field has 54 combined
    why does this look like you are refuting your own post?

    In case there's any confusion, to clarify: Bernie. Won't. Be. The. Nominee.

    The sooner Bernie Bros realize this and get over their butt hurt, the better
    If you are convinced of that, there is free money to be had. Go get it.


    Clinton being given smaller odds than Klobuchar is hilarious. The Klob has no chance at all and is just taking votes away from people that can possibly beat Sanders. If she truly believes Trump is evil, and Bernie just can’t get the job done against him, be a team player and step aside for the people that can actually beat Bernie. What is she even in the race for at this point? To someday bounce a grandchild on her knee and tell them “I once got a few delegates! Me! Your grandma!”? 
    Klobuchar is still in it because she's more qualified than half the field. Look at the number of bills she's passed and sponsored. She's a very successful politician and speaks directly to many of the swing states that cost Clinton the election.
    I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m of the political philosophy that someone like Amy should totally go as far as she could. I AM. But the democrats have made Trump out to be the second-coming of Hitler. Seems like everything should be in the table, including primary candidates dropping out sooner than usual (to avoid a brokered convention). 

    I guess we’ll just see how things shape up on Super Tuesday. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,828
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    I like warren, and it's too bad she's sliding in the polls. she makes the most sense and actually tells you what her plans are and how she'll do it. 
    friendly reminder that only 5% of the delegates have been declared
    there's a long road ahead
    as more candidates drop out, those delegates will migrate to the more moderate candidates who remain
    (that won't be bernie)
    bernie has 43 delegates
    the rest of the field has 54 combined
    why does this look like you are refuting your own post?

    In case there's any confusion, to clarify: Bernie. Won't. Be. The. Nominee.

    The sooner Bernie Bros realize this and get over their butt hurt, the better
    If you are convinced of that, there is free money to be had. Go get it.


    Clinton being given smaller odds than Klobuchar is hilarious. The Klob has no chance at all and is just taking votes away from people that can possibly beat Sanders. If she truly believes Trump is evil, and Bernie just can’t get the job done against him, be a team player and step aside for the people that can actually beat Bernie. What is she even in the race for at this point? To someday bounce a grandchild on her knee and tell them “I once got a few delegates! Me! Your grandma!”? 
    Klobuchar is still in it because she's more qualified than half the field. Look at the number of bills she's passed and sponsored. She's a very successful politician and speaks directly to many of the swing states that cost Clinton the election.
    I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m of the political philosophy that someone like Amy should totally go as far as she could. I AM. But the democrats have made Trump out to be the second-coming of Hitler. Seems like everything should be in the table, including primary candidates dropping out sooner than usual (to avoid a brokered convention). 

    I guess we’ll just see how things shape up on Super Tuesday. 
    Don't sell Amy short. She would clobber Trump in a debate. She's everything Sarah Palin wishes she was.
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    Joe Biden
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,828
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
    That says more about you than it does about Warren
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,798
    edited February 2020
    Joe Biden
    CM189191 said:
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
    That says more about you than it does about Warren
    https://youtu.be/5BycpdZ2I7s
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,828
    CM189191 said:
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
    That says more about you than it does about Warren
    https://youtu.be/5BycpdZ2I7s
    Not sure what your point is here

    other that trump is a living racist dumpster fire

    and you're offering him your support
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    Joe Biden
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
    That says more about you than it does about Warren
    https://youtu.be/5BycpdZ2I7s
    Not sure what your point is here

    other that trump is a living racist dumpster fire

    and you're offering him your support
    Fake news! He said they’re special people and he appreciates what they’ve done!
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,127
    edited February 2020
    Andrew Yang
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,828
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,127
    edited February 2020
    Andrew Yang
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!


    I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here.  Just spell it out, please (in your own words, sans gif or meme.)
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,127
    Andrew Yang
    I guess I have to answer my own question:


    (Not really, but it's a cool song!)

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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,211
    Pete Buttigeg
    I would have liked to answer the "biggest misconception" about each candidate instead of them.  Would have had more truth to it.

    My opinion on past debates has been pretty similar to what I've read later, but not this case. My opinion is very different from the poll you show SC.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,565
    Andrew Yang
    I would have liked to answer the "biggest misconception" about each candidate instead of them.  Would have had more truth to it.

    My opinion on past debates has been pretty similar to what I've read later, but not this case. My opinion is very different from the poll you show SC.
    Yeah, they should have had to answer the misconception question about someone else. Way more interesting. 

    Also, pretty cool that we had time for everyone's motto but only 2.5 answers on Syria.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,007
    Elisabeth Warren
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
    Then you are lost and the Dems shouldn't spend much time and effort trying to win you back. 
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    Joe Biden
    JimmyV said:
    I’d vote for Trump twice before I’d vote for Warren. 
    Then you are lost and the Dems shouldn't spend much time and effort trying to win you back. 
    The Dems lost me around 2014 when I left the party. That’s not to say I won’t vote for one. I voted for Hillary in 2016. I would have preferred her as president instead of Trump. Not Warren though. 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,211
    Pete Buttigeg
    pjl44 said:
    I would have liked to answer the "biggest misconception" about each candidate instead of them.  Would have had more truth to it.

    My opinion on past debates has been pretty similar to what I've read later, but not this case. My opinion is very different from the poll you show SC.
    Yeah, they should have had to answer the misconception question about someone else. Way more interesting. 

    Also, pretty cool that we had time for everyone's motto but only 2.5 answers on Syria.
    That motto question was so stupid.  
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,565
    Andrew Yang
    Good on Biden for being the only one to bring up the Uyghurs when China was being discussed. Between that, Syria, and North Korea there are some really difficult humanitarian crises occurring right now. I really wish at least one of the debates had devoted a considerable chunk of time to them. What I did hear was painfully thin.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,211
    Pete Buttigeg
    pjl44 said:
    Good on Biden for being the only one to bring up the Uyghurs when China was being discussed. Between that, Syria, and North Korea there are some really difficult humanitarian crises occurring right now. I really wish at least one of the debates had devoted a considerable chunk of time to them. What I did hear was painfully thin.
    Not trying to be a jerk...but do you think that topic is something that actually helps someone get elected?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,290
    Joe Biden
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!


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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,565
    Andrew Yang
    pjl44 said:
    Good on Biden for being the only one to bring up the Uyghurs when China was being discussed. Between that, Syria, and North Korea there are some really difficult humanitarian crises occurring right now. I really wish at least one of the debates had devoted a considerable chunk of time to them. What I did hear was painfully thin.
    Not trying to be a jerk...but do you think that topic is something that actually helps someone get elected?
    The largest country in the world and our second largest trade partner is literally rounding up Muslims and putting them in concentration camps. At some point over multiple debates, I think it's important to hear thoughts on this from anyone running for President. You won't know if it helps or hurts someone's electability until you hear their answer.
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    Bernie Sanders
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!


    So tell me who would beat Trump if not Bernie? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,766
    edited February 2020
    Bernie Sanders
    pjl44 said:
    Good on Biden for being the only one to bring up the Uyghurs when China was being discussed. Between that, Syria, and North Korea there are some really difficult humanitarian crises occurring right now. I really wish at least one of the debates had devoted a considerable chunk of time to them. What I did hear was painfully thin.
    Bernie brought it up when attacking Bloomy for loving China? Or am I remembering wrong?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,127
    Andrew Yang
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!



    So instead of baiting, why don't you try to convince me that there's a better choice.

    Oh, but what am I thinking.  It's so much more fun to bait and berate other people.

    Fuck this place.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,211
    Pete Buttigeg
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!



    So instead of baiting, why don't you try to convince me that there's a better choice.

    Oh, but what am I thinking.  It's so much more fun to bait and berate other people.

    Fuck this place.
    Hahahaha I can see you are where I was last week. Relax Brian, it’s all good. I think voting for Bernie is a mistake but that doesn’t make you a mistake ;)
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,007
    Elisabeth Warren
    We simply must have a nominee who is palatable to moderate Republicans because depending on them worked so well in 2016.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,565
    Andrew Yang
    pjl44 said:
    Good on Biden for being the only one to bring up the Uyghurs when China was being discussed. Between that, Syria, and North Korea there are some really difficult humanitarian crises occurring right now. I really wish at least one of the debates had devoted a considerable chunk of time to them. What I did hear was painfully thin.
    Bernie brought it up when attacking Bloomy for loving China? Or am I remembering wrong?
    I don't remember that but I too could be remembering wrong 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,828
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!


    So tell me who would beat Trump if not Bernie? 
    someone who is interested in uniting people, instead of dividing them

    really anyone except bernie

    bernie will lose to tRUmp

    cost D's the House

    and lose any chance of flipping the senate

    like the last election, there is much more at stake than just the presidency.  see also: supreme court, appellate/circuit court appointments

    democratic socialist : democrats :: libertarians : republicans

    you want a democratic socialist in the white house, then start getting them elected locally, at the county and state level. 

    getting a democratic socialist into the white house is a pipe dream and moon shot
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,127
    Andrew Yang

    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!



    So instead of baiting, why don't you try to convince me that there's a better choice.

    Oh, but what am I thinking.  It's so much more fun to bait and berate other people.

    Fuck this place.
    Hahahaha I can see you are where I was last week. Relax Brian, it’s all good. I think voting for Bernie is a mistake but that doesn’t make you a mistake ;)

    LOL, thank you for the vote of confidence, Cincy!  :smiley: 

    This whole election thing is feeling very stressful.  I might have to have a beer or six after I get off work today.  :smile:
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    Bernie Sanders
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    After tonight's debate, and having just a few more days to mail my ballot, I've decided to go with Bernie after all.  Pete blew it with his phony and arrogant attacks on Sanders and the others have worn thin on me.  Bernie it is for me!






    You are the first winner. 

    Everyone climbing on the Bernie Bandwagon gets a free one. Congrats sir!


    So tell me who would beat Trump if not Bernie? 
    someone who is interested in uniting people, instead of dividing them
    I believe the "we need to unite" thing is a pundit and political air castle thing without base in reality. People have argued that the low turnout in the early states was because they were content with whoever got elected. Anyone being better than Trump.

    CM189191 said:

    really anyone except bernie

    Lol.. yeah.... okey... no need to go down your list any further it seems.. Put your life savings on Steyer. And I keep mine on the most beloved senator in the country, Bernie Sanders.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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