Bloomberg for President

cincybearcat

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

dudeman said:

Michael Bloomberg is Donald Trump, just on a different side of the aisle. Vanity, narcissism and the desire to be dictator are far more similar than different between the two. 

Minus the sexual assaults, paying off strippers and adding in building your own worth of course

Equal the overt racism. Bloomberg was all in on racial profiling in New York. Some of his comments are downright awful about African Americans and Hispanics. 

Honest question from a foreigner, why do Americans need rich people or celebrities (or both) to be President? Wouldn’t someone intelligent and educated be a better choice to represent you on the world stage?

Quite frankly, the election of Trump has most of the world questioning your entire education system among other things. Not a hater... just an interested observer. 

Well maybe people should stop coming to the US for college then from other countries...not a hater just an observation.

I don’t really understand comments like this...election if 1 idiot and “the rest of the world questioning your education system”.  Quite the leap. Watch that fall.

If anyone wants to compare Bloomberg to trump it’s fair, but Bloomberg is going to end up looking better everytime. Should he be president just because he is better than trump? Of course not. I’ll see how his campaign shakes out.

F Me In The Brain

I don't think it is a leap to say that half of the people in the US are dullards
(At least)

Have no idea if this plays out elsewhere in the world....my guess would be so. 

 I feel like it used to be the case that the dullards had limited airtime/exposure....but where we are with media options and social sharing the dum-dums feel connected / empowered and are increasingly vocal.

pjl44

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

dudeman said:

Michael Bloomberg is Donald Trump, just on a different side of the aisle. Vanity, narcissism and the desire to be dictator are far more similar than different between the two. 

Minus the sexual assaults, paying off strippers and adding in building your own worth of course

Equal the overt racism. Bloomberg was all in on racial profiling in New York. Some of his comments are downright awful about African Americans and Hispanics. 

Honest question from a foreigner, why do Americans need rich people or celebrities (or both) to be President? Wouldn’t someone intelligent and educated be a better choice to represent you on the world stage?

Quite frankly, the election of Trump has most of the world questioning your entire education system among other things. Not a hater... just an interested observer. 

We're all humans and thus fallible. Electing questionable leaders is not just a US thing. As it relates to the world quesioning your judgment, I'm sure you understand. 

Meltdown99

pjl44 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

dudeman said:

Michael Bloomberg is Donald Trump, just on a different side of the aisle. Vanity, narcissism and the desire to be dictator are far more similar than different between the two. 

Minus the sexual assaults, paying off strippers and adding in building your own worth of course

Equal the overt racism. Bloomberg was all in on racial profiling in New York. Some of his comments are downright awful about African Americans and Hispanics. 

Honest question from a foreigner, why do Americans need rich people or celebrities (or both) to be President? Wouldn’t someone intelligent and educated be a better choice to represent you on the world stage?

Quite frankly, the election of Trump has most of the world questioning your entire education system among other things. Not a hater... just an interested observer. 

We're all humans and thus fallible. Electing questionable leaders is not just a US thing. As it relates to the world quesioning your judgment, I'm sure you understand. 

And we elected that moron twice...LOL

Jearlpam0925

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1229817695555575808?s=19

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

dignin

pjl44 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

dudeman said:

Michael Bloomberg is Donald Trump, just on a different side of the aisle. Vanity, narcissism and the desire to be dictator are far more similar than different between the two. 

Minus the sexual assaults, paying off strippers and adding in building your own worth of course

Equal the overt racism. Bloomberg was all in on racial profiling in New York. Some of his comments are downright awful about African Americans and Hispanics. 

Honest question from a foreigner, why do Americans need rich people or celebrities (or both) to be President? Wouldn’t someone intelligent and educated be a better choice to represent you on the world stage?

Quite frankly, the election of Trump has most of the world questioning your entire education system among other things. Not a hater... just an interested observer. 

We're all humans and thus fallible. Electing questionable leaders is not just a US thing. As it relates to the world quesioning your judgment, I'm sure you understand. 

Electing Trump was questionable? Understatement of the year.

A known liar, criminal, sexual predator and fraud. 

There is plenty of evidence that the world laughs at your leader.

cincybearcat

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

dudeman said:

Michael Bloomberg is Donald Trump, just on a different side of the aisle. Vanity, narcissism and the desire to be dictator are far more similar than different between the two. 

Minus the sexual assaults, paying off strippers and adding in building your own worth of course

Equal the overt racism. Bloomberg was all in on racial profiling in New York. Some of his comments are downright awful about African Americans and Hispanics. 

Honest question from a foreigner, why do Americans need rich people or celebrities (or both) to be President? Wouldn’t someone intelligent and educated be a better choice to represent you on the world stage?

Quite frankly, the election of Trump has most of the world questioning your entire education system among other things. Not a hater... just an interested observer. 

We're all humans and thus fallible. Electing questionable leaders is not just a US thing. As it relates to the world quesioning your judgment, I'm sure you understand. 

Electing Trump was questionable? Understatement of the year.

A known liar, criminal, sexual predator and fraud. 

There is plenty of evidence that the world laughs at your leader.

Sure thing.  Trump deserves it.   But stupid to generalize based on his election.  Lots of factors.

pjl44

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

dudeman said:

Michael Bloomberg is Donald Trump, just on a different side of the aisle. Vanity, narcissism and the desire to be dictator are far more similar than different between the two. 

Minus the sexual assaults, paying off strippers and adding in building your own worth of course

Equal the overt racism. Bloomberg was all in on racial profiling in New York. Some of his comments are downright awful about African Americans and Hispanics. 

Honest question from a foreigner, why do Americans need rich people or celebrities (or both) to be President? Wouldn’t someone intelligent and educated be a better choice to represent you on the world stage?

Quite frankly, the election of Trump has most of the world questioning your entire education system among other things. Not a hater... just an interested observer. 

We're all humans and thus fallible. Electing questionable leaders is not just a US thing. As it relates to the world quesioning your judgment, I'm sure you understand. 

Electing Trump was questionable? Understatement of the year.

A known liar, criminal, sexual predator and fraud. 

There is plenty of evidence that the world laughs at your leader.

We laugh at him, too. The world should feel free to join in.

Ledbetterman10

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

Completely agree. I think, from an electoral standpoint, that Bloomberg is very similar to Trump. Advantage to Bloomberg in that he's an actual real successful businessman. Advantage to Trump that he's a great performer and somehow, people connect with him. But otherwise, Bloomberg became a democrat just to run for president, just as Trump became a Republican when considering to run in 2012, and they each have horrible skeletons of racism, bigotry, and inappropriate sexual whathaveyous in their closet. 

I dunno. Say what you will about Bernie, Pete, Amy, and Biden, but at least they're connecting with their supporters in "human" way. Like Pete said in his townhall last night, they do constant interviews, they do townhalls, they've been in eight debates so far, they do the whole "meeting people in diners" thing. All Bloomberg has done is hide behind his constant ads. I hope he gets embarrassed on the debate stage tonight and things keep going downhill for him. For everyone that is approaching this election as "Trump is awful! We need to get rid of Trump!," that's fine. There's a lot of you here for sure. But if option 1 is the will of the democratic electorate chooses Sanders as the nominee (which might bode well for Trump in the general), and option 2 is Bloomberg undermines the entire system and becomes the nominee (which, in some people's opinion, might not bode well for Trump in the general), give me option 1. You can't cry about Russia manipulating our elections and then bury your head in the sand when the DNC and their puppets at MSNBC do the same sort of shit in the primaries. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said he feels Fox News is more fair to Bernie than MSNBC is. Think about that for second...

Jearlpam0925

^ We can agree on this - the other candidates have put in the work, have taken the time to at least explain their positions to some degree.

I hope they all just make this one big billionaire bashing contest tonight. Make him a warm up for Trump. Trump is going to make whom ever the Dem candidate is anyway look like a libtard socialist or whatever, and what's the best answer to that? To get into the class warfare game and show how the 1% manipulate everyone else for their gain. They should be licking their fucking chops.

While we're on it - I cannot stand people who think "successful" business person = excellent public servant. So fucking stupid.

pjl44

Jearlpam0925 said:

While we're on it - I cannot stand people who think "successful" business person = excellent public servant. So fucking stupid.

Yes, 100%. Being able to successfully operate within a set of rules is not the same as being able to fairly set and administer the rules.

cincybearcat

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

Completely agree. I think, from an electoral standpoint, that Bloomberg is very similar to Trump. Advantage to Bloomberg in that he's an actual real successful businessman. Advantage to Trump that he's a great performer and somehow, people connect with him. But otherwise, Bloomberg became a democrat just to run for president, just as Trump became a Republican when considering to run in 2012, and they each have horrible skeletons of racism, bigotry, and inappropriate sexual whathaveyous in their closet. 

I dunno. Say what you will about Bernie, Pete, Amy, and Biden, but at least they're connecting with their supporters in "human" way. Like Pete said in his townhall last night, they do constant interviews, they do townhalls, they've been in eight debates so far, they do the whole "meeting people in diners" thing. All Bloomberg has done is hide behind his constant ads. I hope he gets embarrassed on the debate stage tonight and things keep going downhill for him. For everyone that is approaching this election as "Trump is awful! We need to get rid of Trump!," that's fine. There's a lot of you here for sure. But if option 1 is the will of the democratic electorate chooses Sanders as the nominee (which might bode well for Trump in the general), and option 2 is Bloomberg undermines the entire system and becomes the nominee (which, in some people's opinion, might not bode well for Trump in the general), give me option 1. You can't cry about Russia manipulating our elections and then bury your head in the sand when the DNC and their puppets at MSNBC do the same sort of shit in the primaries. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said he feels Fox News is more fair to Bernie than MSNBC is. Think about that for second...

If you want to talk about people joining a party just to run for president, please don't leave out Bernie next time.

cincybearcat

pjl44 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

While we're on it - I cannot stand people who think "successful" business person = excellent public servant. So fucking stupid.

Yes, 100%. Being able to successfully operate within a set of rules is not the same as being able to fairly set and administer the rules.

I think being a success at something is a good thing though.  So a successful business person has a good shot at being a successful politician in my mind.  Not guaranteed for sure.

Just look at someone like Kobe.  Successful basketball player and his drive and commitment led to a successful after bball career, all too short.

Jearlpam0925

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

Completely agree. I think, from an electoral standpoint, that Bloomberg is very similar to Trump. Advantage to Bloomberg in that he's an actual real successful businessman. Advantage to Trump that he's a great performer and somehow, people connect with him. But otherwise, Bloomberg became a democrat just to run for president, just as Trump became a Republican when considering to run in 2012, and they each have horrible skeletons of racism, bigotry, and inappropriate sexual whathaveyous in their closet. 

I dunno. Say what you will about Bernie, Pete, Amy, and Biden, but at least they're connecting with their supporters in "human" way. Like Pete said in his townhall last night, they do constant interviews, they do townhalls, they've been in eight debates so far, they do the whole "meeting people in diners" thing. All Bloomberg has done is hide behind his constant ads. I hope he gets embarrassed on the debate stage tonight and things keep going downhill for him. For everyone that is approaching this election as "Trump is awful! We need to get rid of Trump!," that's fine. There's a lot of you here for sure. But if option 1 is the will of the democratic electorate chooses Sanders as the nominee (which might bode well for Trump in the general), and option 2 is Bloomberg undermines the entire system and becomes the nominee (which, in some people's opinion, might not bode well for Trump in the general), give me option 1. You can't cry about Russia manipulating our elections and then bury your head in the sand when the DNC and their puppets at MSNBC do the same sort of shit in the primaries. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said he feels Fox News is more fair to Bernie than MSNBC is. Think about that for second...

If you want to talk about people joining a party just to run for president, please don't leave out Bernie next time.

Valid point, but Blooms didn't do it just for president. But not to deflect from your point, which is absolutely true. If Bernie wasn't benefited by where he lives he wouldn't have the luxury of switching parties, but alas he does.

Ledbetterman10

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

Completely agree. I think, from an electoral standpoint, that Bloomberg is very similar to Trump. Advantage to Bloomberg in that he's an actual real successful businessman. Advantage to Trump that he's a great performer and somehow, people connect with him. But otherwise, Bloomberg became a democrat just to run for president, just as Trump became a Republican when considering to run in 2012, and they each have horrible skeletons of racism, bigotry, and inappropriate sexual whathaveyous in their closet. 

I dunno. Say what you will about Bernie, Pete, Amy, and Biden, but at least they're connecting with their supporters in "human" way. Like Pete said in his townhall last night, they do constant interviews, they do townhalls, they've been in eight debates so far, they do the whole "meeting people in diners" thing. All Bloomberg has done is hide behind his constant ads. I hope he gets embarrassed on the debate stage tonight and things keep going downhill for him. For everyone that is approaching this election as "Trump is awful! We need to get rid of Trump!," that's fine. There's a lot of you here for sure. But if option 1 is the will of the democratic electorate chooses Sanders as the nominee (which might bode well for Trump in the general), and option 2 is Bloomberg undermines the entire system and becomes the nominee (which, in some people's opinion, might not bode well for Trump in the general), give me option 1. You can't cry about Russia manipulating our elections and then bury your head in the sand when the DNC and their puppets at MSNBC do the same sort of shit in the primaries. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said he feels Fox News is more fair to Bernie than MSNBC is. Think about that for second...

If you want to talk about people joining a party just to run for president, please don't leave out Bernie next time.

That's fair, but you have to be affiliated with one of the parties to have an actual shot at being president. And Sanders was always an independent with views that leaned left, so for a presidential election, he's where he belongs in the democratic party. Bloomberg was a democrat, then switched to Republican to run for mayor of NYC, then became an independent during his time as mayor, and is now back to being a democrat. And Trump has flip-flopped even more than that. 

Jearlpam0925

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

Completely agree. I think, from an electoral standpoint, that Bloomberg is very similar to Trump. Advantage to Bloomberg in that he's an actual real successful businessman. Advantage to Trump that he's a great performer and somehow, people connect with him. But otherwise, Bloomberg became a democrat just to run for president, just as Trump became a Republican when considering to run in 2012, and they each have horrible skeletons of racism, bigotry, and inappropriate sexual whathaveyous in their closet. 

I dunno. Say what you will about Bernie, Pete, Amy, and Biden, but at least they're connecting with their supporters in "human" way. Like Pete said in his townhall last night, they do constant interviews, they do townhalls, they've been in eight debates so far, they do the whole "meeting people in diners" thing. All Bloomberg has done is hide behind his constant ads. I hope he gets embarrassed on the debate stage tonight and things keep going downhill for him. For everyone that is approaching this election as "Trump is awful! We need to get rid of Trump!," that's fine. There's a lot of you here for sure. But if option 1 is the will of the democratic electorate chooses Sanders as the nominee (which might bode well for Trump in the general), and option 2 is Bloomberg undermines the entire system and becomes the nominee (which, in some people's opinion, might not bode well for Trump in the general), give me option 1. You can't cry about Russia manipulating our elections and then bury your head in the sand when the DNC and their puppets at MSNBC do the same sort of shit in the primaries. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said he feels Fox News is more fair to Bernie than MSNBC is. Think about that for second...

If you want to talk about people joining a party just to run for president, please don't leave out Bernie next time.

That's fair, but you have to be affiliated with one of the parties to have an actual shot at being president. And Sanders was always an independent with views that leaned left, so for a presidential election, he's where he belongs in the democratic party. Bloomberg was a democrat, then switched to Republican to run for mayor of NYC, then became an independent during his time as mayor, and is now back to being a democrat. And Trump has flip-flopped even more than that. 

Keep in mind ol' Blooms did this to manipulate term limits, which he effectively changed and that rule expired the day his 3rd term was up. Now imagine if Trump did this...

Ledbetterman10

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

pjl44 said:

If we have to choose between bigoted wannabe autocrats, I'm starting to wonder if the smart one is more dangerous than the dumb one

Of course he is - it's like imagine Trump, but not senile and a big dumb animal.

You're telling me you think Bloomberg would be worse than Trump? JP, you're losing your mind

Haha, what's it like to be so jazzed about a billionaire? You just like your racism and oppression buried deep so it's at least not right in your fucking face right?

It's like if Pence took the place of Trump bur, ya know, an actually intelligent guy. Now that's dangerous. But hey Trumps out and you can go back to burying your head in the ground and feeling better about yourself.

You can't just put this guy up and act like the party has nowhere to go so this'll work. Even if you discount all the principled left/progressive/whatevers who'll be demoralized, there are way more "regular" people (just people who don't obsess over national politics) who will have their cynical narrative validated that politics is just a bunch of super-rich narcissists competing to be the boss and those people will stay home.

And that's the most ironic part of it all. Seems like a good portion of people in here are what would be considered "Regular people", yet they're itching at the trigger just to vote for the very problem with the system that they cant stand. Cynicism and platitudes of everything that's wrong with the system is cool to spout until you're shitting your pants.

Completely agree. I think, from an electoral standpoint, that Bloomberg is very similar to Trump. Advantage to Bloomberg in that he's an actual real successful businessman. Advantage to Trump that he's a great performer and somehow, people connect with him. But otherwise, Bloomberg became a democrat just to run for president, just as Trump became a Republican when considering to run in 2012, and they each have horrible skeletons of racism, bigotry, and inappropriate sexual whathaveyous in their closet. 

I dunno. Say what you will about Bernie, Pete, Amy, and Biden, but at least they're connecting with their supporters in "human" way. Like Pete said in his townhall last night, they do constant interviews, they do townhalls, they've been in eight debates so far, they do the whole "meeting people in diners" thing. All Bloomberg has done is hide behind his constant ads. I hope he gets embarrassed on the debate stage tonight and things keep going downhill for him. For everyone that is approaching this election as "Trump is awful! We need to get rid of Trump!," that's fine. There's a lot of you here for sure. But if option 1 is the will of the democratic electorate chooses Sanders as the nominee (which might bode well for Trump in the general), and option 2 is Bloomberg undermines the entire system and becomes the nominee (which, in some people's opinion, might not bode well for Trump in the general), give me option 1. You can't cry about Russia manipulating our elections and then bury your head in the sand when the DNC and their puppets at MSNBC do the same sort of shit in the primaries. Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said he feels Fox News is more fair to Bernie than MSNBC is. Think about that for second...

If you want to talk about people joining a party just to run for president, please don't leave out Bernie next time.

That's fair, but you have to be affiliated with one of the parties to have an actual shot at being president. And Sanders was always an independent with views that leaned left, so for a presidential election, he's where he belongs in the democratic party. Bloomberg was a democrat, then switched to Republican to run for mayor of NYC, then became an independent during his time as mayor, and is now back to being a democrat. And Trump has flip-flopped even more than that. 

Keep in mind ol' Blooms did this to manipulate term limits, which he effectively changed and that rule expired the day his 3rd term was up. Now imagine if Trump did this...

Interesting. When I was looking up his party affiliations, I was wondering why he'd leave the GOP during his time as mayor. Seemed odd for a sitting mayor to do that. 

pjl44

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

While we're on it - I cannot stand people who think "successful" business person = excellent public servant. So fucking stupid.

Yes, 100%. Being able to successfully operate within a set of rules is not the same as being able to fairly set and administer the rules.

I think being a success at something is a good thing though.  So a successful business person has a good shot at being a successful politician in my mind.  Not guaranteed for sure.

Just look at someone like Kobe.  Successful basketball player and his drive and commitment led to a successful after bball career, all too short.

Yeah, that's true. I just balk at how comparable running a business is to running government. 

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pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

While we're on it - I cannot stand people who think "successful" business person = excellent public servant. So fucking stupid.

Yes, 100%. Being able to successfully operate within a set of rules is not the same as being able to fairly set and administer the rules.

I think being a success at something is a good thing though.  So a successful business person has a good shot at being a successful politician in my mind.  Not guaranteed for sure.

Just look at someone like Kobe.  Successful basketball player and his drive and commitment led to a successful after bball career, all too short.

Yeah, that's true. I just balk at how comparable running a business is to running government. 

There's a difference between a politician and a public servant to me. They're all public servants, and some - or most - are politicians. I want a public servant, not a politician. Completely understand people wanting "successful" people being decision makers. If that's the case, then make it the world's leading scientists who are also "successful", and not just the people trying to turn a profit. I'd very much rather have them in charge.