Never been to MSG, and I have no horse in this race, but I know other bands than just pj have this hype around MSG. Look at Phish, they can sell out a 4 night run instantly at the venue. Personally, I’d rather see PJ at the Gorge than an arena.
Yep - lots of bands treat it as something special. It was always a great venue for bands like the Stones and Zep, who each recorded live albums and films there. The Who and the Dead had many legendary multi-date runs at the Garden. MSG goes back to the 1800s, but this is the third version, which has been around since 1968. And any major touring band since that time has played there (Hendrix, the Doors, Blind Faith Pink Floyd, Cream, Bowie, to name a few) .
Also, given the presence of the entertainment industry in NYC (and the fact that many artists live here), guest stars appearing on stage are frequent occurrences (one of the most famous involved John Lennon's last live concert performance, where he jumped onstage at an Elton John concert to play Whatever Gets you through the night, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and I saw her standing there). I was at a McCartney show la year or two ago and Springsteen joined him for the encores (I was sitting behind Gene Simmons!) Of course, recent Pearl Jam shows have included appearances by Sting, Robin Zander/Rick Nielsen from Cheap Trick and Ace Frehley. Once again - -doesnt necessarily in itself make for a legendary show, but not necessarily a common occurrence in most other cities (yes, I am aware that special guests show up in other cities, particularly LA -- its just very common in NYC)
Not saying any of this means MSG shows are better or that smaller markets won't get amazing shows. Its all subjective in any event. But it is not as if MSG is solely being hyped by NYC residents on this forum- there is 52 years of concert history to back it up. Perhaps if more people think its overhyped or a dump, it will be easier for us to get tickets next time!
Inferiority complex’s are funny.... NYC isn’t for everyone
just like butthole, Mississippi or some other place getting welfare from all us assholes here
Not sure what Mississippi getting "Welfare from all us assholes here" has to do with anything...considering MSG is getting plenty of its own welfare... ~ 40 million per year in fact. Corporate welfare in the USA is OK I suppose, but not for poor/rural people.
Inferiority complex’s are funny.... NYC isn’t for everyone
just like butthole, Mississippi or some other place getting welfare from all us assholes here
Not sure what Mississippi getting "Welfare from all us assholes here" has to do with anything...considering MSG is getting plenty of its own welfare... ~ 40 million per year in fact. Corporate welfare in the USA is OK I suppose, but not for poor/rural people.
The state Legislature granted the break after the New York Rangers and New York Knicks threatened to move out of the arena.
The Legislature has considered over the years whether to cut the tax break or limit it, but it has never gained any traction. "
Our local sports writer used to calll MSG "The World's Most Ovverrated Arena."
Talkin NY.... I fuckin hate the MSG Ownership/management crooks
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Never been to MSG, and I have no horse in this race, but I know other bands than just pj have this hype around MSG. Look at Phish, they can sell out a 4 night run instantly at the venue. Personally, I’d rather see PJ at the Gorge than an arena.
Let’s be honest, Phish selling out 4 nights just shows how many people enjoy “recreational” drug use.
Really? Phish sold out 13 nights at the Garden in Summer 2017 and didn't repeat any songs. Phish shows are two sets (hour-hour and a half each set and an encore). They played 237 songs over the run. Phish's sober group on Facebook has over 60,000 members. Pearl Jam's is basically inactive. Just saying.
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Never been to MSG, and I have no horse in this race, but I know other bands than just pj have this hype around MSG. Look at Phish, they can sell out a 4 night run instantly at the venue. Personally, I’d rather see PJ at the Gorge than an arena.
Let’s be honest, Phish selling out 4 nights just shows how many people enjoy “recreational” drug use.
That’s a very uneducated statement. That would be like someone else saying that the only reason PJ can sell out msg is people wanting to relive the 90’s. Phish is constantly pushing forward and really works hard to make stuff interesting for their fanbase.
It was simply a stab at humor. When a band or it’s fans carry a very specific stigma it isn’t uncommon for it to be brought up. Not intended as a dig at them or their fans, arguing on the internet isn’t my style.
It was simply a stab at humor. When a band or it’s fans carry a very specific stigma it isn’t uncommon for it to be brought up. Not intended as a dig at them or their fans, arguing on the internet isn’t my style.
Are you going to OKC? I'm heading up from Dallas.
I figured you were joking but had to throw my two cents in. Plus, just thinking about the Bakers Dozen brings back amazing memories and gets me excited to head back to MSG, this time for my first PJ show there. I'm very lucky to have always had friends or family to stay with. Otherwise I'd never be able to afford it.
I think I've taken about a dozen trips (flights) to see Phish at MSG from Dallas.
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It was simply a stab at humor. When a band or it’s fans carry a very specific stigma it isn’t uncommon for it to be brought up. Not intended as a dig at them or their fans, arguing on the internet isn’t my style.
It’s all good, I’m not even a big fan of Phish. I just respect what they’ built outside of the mainstream channels that bands usually take.
I've been living here all my life. over forty years. it's dirty, overcrowded, overpriced and half the real new yorkers are gone. and i don't even recognize the skyline anymore with all the ridiculous new sky rises.
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Living in Baltimore I've seen a handful of bands there. Other than the obvious list of unlimited tourist attractions in NYC, I find it pretty overrated. No doubt aside from putting a feather in your concert cap saying you saw someone there it's pretty "Yawns"
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I've lived in NY most of of my life. NYC is about 1.5hrs away. I've seen a LOT of shows there. That said, the PJ shows I've seen there were decidedly mediocre. It's a historic venue, absofuckinglutely. But I'd take PJ in Boston ANY day over MSG. And if I had the money to see the band in other parts of the country I'd go to Phoenix or somewhere else. That's why this is the 1st tour in 20 years I didn't even put in for.
OK fine I'll answer. Every single show they've played there has been legendary. It has nothing to do with the state of the building or how new it is or how much of a dump it might be. There's a reason everyone and their damn friends wants tix to see them at MSG. The band gives everything on that stage and the audience gives everything back.
Wrong. Those 2008 shows were duds. There’s a handful of amazing shows they’ve done at MSG but I’ve seen just as good or better in Philly and Boston.
Absolutely agree. I went to both those shoes, Hartford, and both MA shows that tour. Hartford was ABSOLUTELY the best and the MSG shows were the worst of the bunch
I remember being really excited to see them on the east coast because those shows were supposed to be so much better. They’re not. They’re great because it’s Pearl Jam but I haven’t noticed any huge difference in shows in any part of the country.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I think Morison stated best
even though they were not specifically playing at msg. Something like the West
coast has all the beauty, but the East coast has the grooviest people. They are
different in a very cool way. Something special about their passion for
the music.
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It’s NYC. It is what people always hear about with huge bands. We love NYC and usually make a trip out of it.
I saw night 2 in 2016. Wish I would have been there for night 1. This was the moment I committed to seeing both shows at a city moving forward.
Sting and cheap trick was cool, but personally I would rather have a deep set list than a number of old rockers/cover songs being played. Nothingman, Leatherman, Better man was pretty awesome, though.
Also, we sat next to two people who never stood up the entire show. It was ten club seats. Pretentious guy and girl. They also got up and left in the middle of the first encore. All I could think was how bad some people would have wanted those seats.
It was a great night. But to say MSG sounds any better, it just doesn’t. Plus the $30 vodka drinks is cool? Nah.
When you can play the Garden, you have arrived. My favorite place to see shows. PJ 98 was their arrival. Garden shows get reviewed as well and bands usually bring it
I disagree ‘98 was their arrival. I was a senior in HS in ‘91 and they were already buzzing on the east coast. However, come ‘94 they were really breaking into the mainstream, as were so many other Seattle bands. I saw PJ for the first time April 6, 94 in Springfield, MA. Very aggressive show. Eddie was not jumping all around the stage. He was still and intense. IDK, it’s hard to replicate that moment in time for me. It felt like there was a Gen X revolution taking place in the moment.
They played MTV Unplugged in Prime Time back when there were only 30 or so cable channels in March 1992 IIRC. How is that not arriving?
Inferiority complex’s are funny.... NYC isn’t for everyone
just like butthole, Mississippi or some other place getting welfare from all us assholes here
Not sure what Mississippi getting "Welfare from all us assholes here" has to do with anything...considering MSG is getting plenty of its own welfare... ~ 40 million per year in fact. Corporate welfare in the USA is OK I suppose, but not for poor/rural people.
Inferiority complex’s are funny.... NYC isn’t for everyone
just like butthole, Mississippi or some other place getting welfare from all us assholes here
Not sure what Mississippi getting "Welfare from all us assholes here" has to do with anything...considering MSG is getting plenty of its own welfare... ~ 40 million per year in fact. Corporate welfare in the USA is OK I suppose, but not for poor/rural people.
The state Legislature granted the break after the New York Rangers and New York Knicks threatened to move out of the arena.
The Legislature has considered over the years whether to cut the tax break or limit it, but it has never gained any traction. "
Our local sports writer used to calll MSG "The World's Most Ovverrated Arena."
Talkin NY.... I fuckin hate the MSG Ownership/management crooks
Dolan is truly a jerk and a silver spoon.
and states like NY are called Donor States because we get about 75 cents back on every dollar of federal taxes while smaller southern states get about $1.20 back.
They obviously realize how special it is. I’m sure they could have gotten any 15 dates they wanted in Brooklyn, yet instead of returning to crappy Barclays without a soul, they decided to thread a needle and pick the only single date MSG isn’t busy to do a single show.
It’s real and it’s fantastic.
(No, I’m not saying they would have played 15 shows).
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Iconic. Enough said. That goes for the city, the venue, and the band. Those three things alone make a trip to NYC to see PJ at MSG well worth one's while.
It was simply a stab at humor. When a band or it’s fans carry a very specific stigma it isn’t uncommon for it to be brought up. Not intended as a dig at them or their fans, arguing on the internet isn’t my style.
Are you going to OKC? I'm heading up from Dallas.
I figured you were joking but had to throw my two cents in. Plus, just thinking about the Bakers Dozen brings back amazing memories and gets me excited to head back to MSG, this time for my first PJ show there. I'm very lucky to have always had friends or family to stay with. Otherwise I'd never be able to afford it.
I think I've taken about a dozen trips (flights) to see Phish at MSG from Dallas.
That’s some serious dedication. Got 1 in the pit for OKC which seems to be what most people ended up with on here. Gonna hit Denver too and hope for at least 1 Texas show in the Fall. Maybe a 20 year Lubbock reunion...one can dream!
If MSG is so overhyped, why the hell does everyone from around the damn world try to get tix to all the shows, making it nearly impossible for locals to see their favorite band at their hometown arena? Asking for a friend.
I've seen PJ at MSG at least 3 times. I can say without a doubt it is probably the last place I ever want to see them again. It's a pain to get to and from, the arena itself is nothing special, and the only thing I want to do in NYC is get out as quickly as I can.
If MSG is so overhyped, why the hell does everyone from around the damn world try to get tix to all the shows, making it nearly impossible for locals to see their favorite band at their hometown arena? Asking for a friend.
I've seen PJ at MSG at least 3 times. I can say without a doubt it is probably the last place I ever want to see them again. It's a pain to get to and from, the arena itself is nothing special, and the only thing I want to do in NYC is get out as quickly as I can.
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Also, given the presence of the entertainment industry in NYC (and the fact that many artists live here), guest stars appearing on stage are frequent occurrences (one of the most famous involved John Lennon's last live concert performance, where he jumped onstage at an Elton John concert to play Whatever Gets you through the night, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and I saw her standing there). I was at a McCartney show la year or two ago and Springsteen joined him for the encores (I was sitting behind Gene Simmons!) Of course, recent Pearl Jam shows have included appearances by Sting, Robin Zander/Rick Nielsen from Cheap Trick and Ace Frehley. Once again - -doesnt necessarily in itself make for a legendary show, but not necessarily a common occurrence in most other cities (yes, I am aware that special guests show up in other cities, particularly LA -- its just very common in NYC)
Not saying any of this means MSG shows are better or that smaller markets won't get amazing shows. Its all subjective in any event. But it is not as if MSG is solely being hyped by NYC residents on this forum- there is 52 years of concert history to back it up. Perhaps if more people think its overhyped or a dump, it will be easier for us to get tickets next time!
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Phish sold out 13 nights at the Garden in Summer 2017 and didn't repeat any songs. Phish shows are two sets (hour-hour and a half each set and an encore). They played 237 songs over the run.
Phish's sober group on Facebook has over 60,000 members. Pearl Jam's is basically inactive.
Just saying.
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I'm heading up from Dallas.
I figured you were joking but had to throw my two cents in. Plus, just thinking about the Bakers Dozen brings back amazing memories and gets me excited to head back to MSG, this time for my first PJ show there. I'm very lucky to have always had friends or family to stay with. Otherwise I'd never be able to afford it.
I think I've taken about a dozen trips (flights) to see Phish at MSG from Dallas.
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Other than the obvious list of unlimited tourist attractions in NYC, I find it pretty overrated.
No doubt aside from putting a feather in your concert cap saying you saw someone there it's pretty "Yawns"
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Absolutely agree. I went to both those shoes, Hartford, and both MA shows that tour. Hartford was ABSOLUTELY the best and the MSG shows were the worst of the bunch
I think Morison stated best even though they were not specifically playing at msg. Something like the West coast has all the beauty, but the East coast has the grooviest people. They are different in a very cool way. Something special about their passion for the music.
plus the rags play there, disgusting.
and states like NY are called Donor States because we get about 75 cents back on every dollar of federal taxes while smaller southern states get about $1.20 back.
https://www.governing.com/week-in-finance/gov-taxpayers-10-states-give-more-feds-than-get-back.html
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all insane crowds. The acoustics aren't necessarily better but the crowds are noticeably louder in those buildings.