The coronavirus

JeBurkhardt

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and it's funny to me that people find the ketchup more offensive than the use of the american flag. 

Didn’t even occur to me that could be offensive. Hotdog is about as American as it gets. It’s like putting a Mexican flag on a street taco. 

Always thought I was in the minority using mustard and no ketchup. More common than I thought.

not to derail, (however, we're talking about hot dogs in the 'rona thread lol), i've always found it highly bizarre that many americans claim the flag to be something to held with high esteem; then you see those same people with stars and stripes underwear. it just doesn't jive. 

I hope no one ever puts a canadian flag in my syryp. don't want to choke while eating my pancakes. 

was thinking the same as I walked past a display at the grocety store with 2 styles of flip flops , each with a variant of the flag on the footbed.

"I'm so patriotic. let me put my smelly dirty feet on the flag"

Most likely they were proudly made in China.  

hedonist

Spiritual_Chaos said:

hedonist said:

FiveBelow said:

Ketchup has no place on a hotdog.

Amen. 

Frankly (no pun intended), it’s sick and it’s wrong. Period. 

Eating a hot dog and supporting the industry making hot dogs happen, is what is "sick" and "wrong". Period.

🙄

nicknyr15

hedonist said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

hedonist said:

FiveBelow said:

Ketchup has no place on a hotdog.

Amen. 

Frankly (no pun intended), it’s sick and it’s wrong. Period. 

Eating a hot dog and supporting the industry making hot dogs happen, is what is "sick" and "wrong". Period.

🙄

🙄🙄🙄
one wasn’t enough. 

Meltdown99

What's the most popular hot dog topping?

https://www.northjersey.com/story/life/food/2017/07/07/whats-most-popular-hot-dog-topping/444209001/

mustard it is according to this 3 year old article..And Americans loves hot dogs, 7 billion dogs a year.  That’s a lotta dogs.

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

cblock4life said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Interesting article by Nicholas Wade, a Nobel Prize winning science writer who wrote for the science section of the New York Times for many years, on the theory of the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan….

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/

incredibly interesting, and incredibly long....

certainly a worthy read.

Agree

Hopefully everyone else will take the time to read it once they’re done talking about hot dogs. It’s definitely long, but it has to be long. 

Yes, good read. Took about 30 minutes to get through it all.

Kat

Let's get back on topic please. A good hot dog discussion is great for All Encompassing Trip...please take it there.

mace1229

Kat said:

Let's get back on topic please. A good hot dog discussion is great for All Encompassing Trip...please take it there.

Hot Dogs Are the Best Coronavirus, COVID-19 Quarantine Food (insider.com)

Weston1283

Philadelphia is lifting ALL restrictions except for masking on June 11th

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/philadelphia-covid-reopening-business/2809967/%3famp

F Me In The Brain

Weston1283 said:

Philadelphia is lifting ALL restrictions except for masking on June 11th

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/philadelphia-covid-reopening-business/2809967/%3famp

I think it is short sighted and totally foolish, but am anxious to see what happens. 

Already have entry into the Philadelphia Marathon (November, rolled over from last year when it was cancelled) and the Broad Street Run (TBD, a 10 mile race through the city, last year was virtual) - and signed up for Run The Bridge 10K (November, last year was virtual) last week, which is now set at 500 people allowed to run in person when it is normally thousands.

Not sure how this will go but have months to see how opening up works and make decisions in October/November.

gvn2fly1421

Ledbetterman10 said:

Interesting article by Nicholas Wade, a Nobel Prize winning science writer who wrote for the science section of the New York Times for many years, on the theory of the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan….

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1392143160491577344

HughFreakingDillon

I'll admit....I don't know who to believe now. 

gvn2fly1421

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Interesting article by Nicholas Wade, a Nobel Prize winning science writer who wrote for the science section of the New York Times for many years, on the theory of the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan….

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1392143160491577344

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1392176879826870274

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1392177279325909001

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1392184567625359365

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1392187261085696003

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1392200022213730307

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Interesting article by Nicholas Wade, a Nobel Prize winning science writer who wrote for the science section of the New York Times for many years, on the theory of the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan….

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1392143160491577344

1. Why does Ayn Rand think Fauci is lying under oath? He was quite clear that the NIH provided funding to research SARS origins and that it would be irresponsible not to do so. 

2. He said multiple times that we did not fund gain of function. 

3. Ayn Rand Paul said 3 million people have died.  He also said mortality is 1%.  Aren't you going to take issue with these numbers? You've argued with me multiple times that these numbers are way inflated. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Interesting article by Nicholas Wade, a Nobel Prize winning science writer who wrote for the science section of the New York Times for many years, on the theory of the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan….

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1392143160491577344

1. Why does Ayn Rand think Fauci is lying under oath? He was quite clear that the NIH provided funding to research SARS origins and that it would be irresponsible not to do so. 

2. He said multiple times that we did not fund gain of function. 

3. Ayn Rand Paul said 3 million people have died.  He also said mortality is 1%.  Aren't you going to take issue with these numbers? You've argued with me multiple times that these numbers are way inflated. 

he did say "we did not fund gain of function in Wuhan". he qualified the location every denial. like it's possible they funded gain of function on north carolina. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Interesting article by Nicholas Wade, a Nobel Prize winning science writer who wrote for the science section of the New York Times for many years, on the theory of the virus originating from the lab in Wuhan….

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1392143160491577344

1. Why does Ayn Rand think Fauci is lying under oath? He was quite clear that the NIH provided funding to research SARS origins and that it would be irresponsible not to do so. 

2. He said multiple times that we did not fund gain of function. 

3. Ayn Rand Paul said 3 million people have died.  He also said mortality is 1%.  Aren't you going to take issue with these numbers? You've argued with me multiple times that these numbers are way inflated. 

he did say "we did not fund gain of function in Wuhan". he qualified the location every denial. like it's possible they funded gain of function on north carolina. 

He did not deny nor has anyone denied that the research is being done in the States.  If Paul wants to stop that, he can write a bill or work with the NIH/White House to change that policy. 

tbergs

Another gotcha moment that simpletons can latch on to without actually listening and doing their own research on the topic. Soundbytes are a shit way to gain information. Thankfully they've been mostly replaced by Tweets

mrussel1

tbergs said:

Another gotcha moment that simpletons can latch on to without actually listening and doing their own research on the topic. Soundbytes are a shit way to gain information. Thankfully they've been mostly replaced by Tweets

I think this was the whole exchange between Fauci and Paul so credit there to the twitter.  Regardless, Fauci was emphatic in his position and Ayn just ignored what he said.  He started with his conclusion and was going to say it over and over regardless of what Fauci testified. 

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

Another gotcha moment that simpletons can latch on to without actually listening and doing their own research on the topic. Soundbytes are a shit way to gain information. Thankfully they've been mostly replaced by Tweets

i read the entire article that ledbetterman posted. everything Rand Paul said in that exchange is correct or at least very debatable. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

Another gotcha moment that simpletons can latch on to without actually listening and doing their own research on the topic. Soundbytes are a shit way to gain information. Thankfully they've been mostly replaced by Tweets

i read the entire article that ledbetterman posted. everything Rand Paul said in that exchange is correct or at least very debatable. 

1. I don't think any of us understand virology to the point where we could say it isn't debatable. 
2. Even the article admits that there is no real proof of either theory of the origin.  
3. Fauci doesn't argue that the NIH didn't provide funding, but says that what grant specified is not Gain of Function, whereas the author states that it is.  I have no clue who is right. 

tbergs

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

Another gotcha moment that simpletons can latch on to without actually listening and doing their own research on the topic. Soundbytes are a shit way to gain information. Thankfully they've been mostly replaced by Tweets

i read the entire article that ledbetterman posted. everything Rand Paul said in that exchange is correct or at least very debatable. 

1. I don't think any of us understand virology to the point where we could say it isn't debatable. 
2. Even the article admits that there is no real proof of either theory of the origin.  
3. Fauci doesn't argue that the NIH didn't provide funding, but says that what grant specified is not Gain of Function, whereas the author states that it is.  I have no clue who is right. 

This is where I'm at. Nothing conclusive, but leaning one way, at least based on the assessment presented. This is where someone who is good at writing persuasive arguments can do a lot of damage. Yes, well written and based on a lot of personal knowledge on the matter, but not necessarily the end all be all. I think a lot of it is probably going to be proven true, but back to my earlier comment, some will only choose to pull the parts out that support their belief and ignore that which doesn't. This is dangerous because the anti science crowd likes to pounce on anything they can and run with it when it suits their narrative.