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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,842
    tish said:
    In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

    We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.
    Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 
    I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

    But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal
    End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.
    What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

    You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

    But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

    100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

    Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on
    Do you have children?
    No judgement, just a question.

    I do not
    I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
    They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

    I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

    Just want as few people to die as possible.
    All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.
    I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

    We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

    A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

    And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?
  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    tish said:
    In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

    We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.
    Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 
    I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

    But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal
    End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.
    What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

    You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

    But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

    100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

    Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on
    Do you have children?
    No judgement, just a question.

    I do not
    I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
    They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

    I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

    Just want as few people to die as possible.
    All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.
    I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

    We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

    A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

    And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?
    The virus will continue mutate no matter how many people get vaccinated.  It sounds like we have a different opinion on what beating the virus is.

    As for Texas, I think they’re doing well?
    Post edited by Weston1283 on
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    tish said:
    In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

    We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.
    Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 
    I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

    But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal
    End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.
    What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

    You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

    But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

    100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

    Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on
    Do you have children?
    No judgement, just a question.

    I do not
    I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
    They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

    I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

    Just want as few people to die as possible.
    All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.
    I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

    We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

    A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

    And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?
    The virus will continue mutate no matter how many people get vaccinated.  It sounds like we have a different opinion on what beating the virus is.

    As for Texas, I think they’re doing well?
    Right, seem to be doing fine to me opposed to Michigan who is now blaming the youth for the outbreak requiring masks for children 2 and up.  I have never seen a group pull for bad results more than the group that pulls against these states who open up, aka red states.  Think about that, we ALL (should) want to go back to normal but there is a group that wants these states to fail.  
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    tish said:
    In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

    We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.
    Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 
    I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

    But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal
    End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.
    What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

    You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

    But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

    100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

    Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on
    Do you have children?
    No judgement, just a question.

    I do not
    I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
    They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

    I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

    Just want as few people to die as possible.
    All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.
    I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

    We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

    A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

    And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?
    What if Australia already had an outbreak prior to 2020?  I am telling y'all, spend some time today reading through some links I post.  The Ethical Skeptic posts some very intriguing stuff.

    His twitter account - https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic

    Relative tweets -











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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-to-repeal-cuomo-covid-booze-restriction-as-state-eases-mask-rule/3023689/%3famp

    https://www.twincities.com/2021/04/27/gov-tim-walz-says-easing-of-capacity-limits-likely-coming-soon/

    New York and Minnesota likely lifting many restrictions within days.  It doesn’t matter red or blue at this point, they’re all easing up.  We are at the end.
    Post edited by Weston1283 on
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    this one on India is very troubling

    b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    this one on India is very troubling

    b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.
    Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374
    2010: Cleveland
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    2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
    2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
    2015: New York City
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
    2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
    2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
    2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
    2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    edited April 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    this one on India is very troubling

    b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.
    Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

    The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,764
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    this one on India is very troubling

    b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.
    Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

    The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.
    You're pissing into the wind. 

    American's aren't getting over themselves or the foolish myth of American exceptionalism, ever. 


    Didn't you hear? The pandemic is over. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    edited April 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    this one on India is very troubling

    b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.
    Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

    The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.
    You're pissing into the wind. 

    American's aren't getting over themselves or the foolish myth of American exceptionalism, ever. 


    Didn't you hear? The pandemic is over. 
    huh, I thought it was raining....


    well, like some type of vd, some measure of humilty will always weave its way through.....


    Decided today to stop wearing mask at work all the time. was but one of a few consistently wearing it since this began.

    Am now 3 weeks past the 2nd dose.

    Those guys dont give a shit about it for them and theirs,  why should I for their benefit?

    everywhere else, mask on.....
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    this one on India is very troubling

    b1 617 or something like that? been found in Pakistan and Bangladesh I believe.
    Fauci touched on this yesterday and stated that Covaxin “neutralizes” this variant.  So troubling in a way, but we already have a solution.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/covaxin-found-to-neutralise-617-variants-of-covid-says-us-expert-245374

    The United States is but one small part of the greater whole. We ARE NOT the center of the planet.
    You're pissing into the wind. 

    American's aren't getting over themselves or the foolish myth of American exceptionalism, ever. 


    Didn't you hear? The pandemic is over. 
    The pandemic is (almost) over in America, yes you are correct.  Our numbers are decreasing by the day and our entire country will have access to a vaccine very soon if not already, with the highest risk groups already being fully vaccinated.  I am sorry but why would we keep the American economy restricted because other countries either have a slower rollout or have very high vaccine hesitancy rates (like India)

    The CDC is telling people not to wear masks outside.  Governments both democratic and republican are opening up.  What else do you want?
    Post edited by Weston1283 on
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    2015: New York City
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/widespread-skepticism-and-misinformation-hamper-indias-vaccine-rollout

    "This vaccination center in Delhi is ready to give 400 people shots every day, but authorities say, on most days, they see half that number."
    "Since India started administering the second vaccine dose two weeks ago, half of the front-line workers and nearly 40 percent of healthcare workers have not shown up."

    Why should this be an American problem?  How is keeping restaurants in America at 50% capacity going to help or hurt the people of India?  I am not connecting the dot.
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    2012: Atlanta
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    2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
    2015: New York City
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
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    2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
    2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
    2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,355
    Anybody else think that the virus is going to get the weakest of the bunch now?  It is deadlier than the flu but is just a flu?

    If there is ever another outbreak I can tell you people are not going to oblige quietly.  I think it will be like the evacs of hurricanes and crying wolf.  Hopefully I don't see that in my lifetime.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/widespread-skepticism-and-misinformation-hamper-indias-vaccine-rollout

    "This vaccination center in Delhi is ready to give 400 people shots every day, but authorities say, on most days, they see half that number."
    "Since India started administering the second vaccine dose two weeks ago, half of the front-line workers and nearly 40 percent of healthcare workers have not shown up."

    Why should this be an American problem?  How is keeping restaurants in America at 50% capacity going to help or hurt the people of India?  I am not connecting the dot.

    because its a global fucking economy.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    tish said:
    In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

    We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.
    Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 
    I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

    But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal
    End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.
    What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

    You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

    But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

    100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

    Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on
    Do you have children?
    No judgement, just a question.

    I do not
    I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
    They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

    I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

    Just want as few people to die as possible.
    All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.
    I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

    We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

    A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

    And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?
    The virus will continue mutate no matter how many people get vaccinated.  It sounds like we have a different opinion on what beating the virus is.

    As for Texas, I think they’re doing well?
    Was there ever an apocalyptic spike from the Rangers game that everyone was freaking out about? 
  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    PJPOWER said:
    tish said:
    In Massachusetts, you can go on CVS website and all morning and right now there are tons of openings for at least 50% of CVS locations

    We are almost (if not already) at the point where anyone who wants a vaccine can just log on in the morning and get it same day.  To me, that has always been the "end" of the pandemic, and that is a thought I maintain today.
    Worldwide endemic because you are able to vaccinate while others can't? 
    I’m not sure where each country is at with vaccination, my comments apply to the USA only since that’s where I’m following my data from.  

    But, locally, we seem to be at the end of the line with vaccinations, so locally, I feel that it is time to get back to normal
    End of line lol 40 something % of Republicans are refusing the vaccine.
    What is your solution then?  Honestly curious.  

    You can’t force something on people that isn’t FDA approved at least at a national level.  Private entities can mandate vaccines (airlines/colleges/etc) and make it hard enough that people who don’t want the Vaxx say “fuck it”

    But what else can we do when every person(in the states) who wants the vaccine can readily and easily get it and protect themselves?  

    100% of the country was never going to get the vaccine.  We are never going to prevent anyone ever dying again of coronavirus or a variant.  Anyone who expects that doesn’t live in reality 

    Sorry for the rant, but the 10% crowd of people who (I think) genuinely never want the pandemic to end are just as frustrating as the 10% of fools who think the vaccine and the pandemic are a fake government ploy to do whatever the hell they think is going on
    Do you have children?
    No judgement, just a question.

    I do not
    I do and am concerned that many do not seem to consider kids just because it is not lethal to them in large numbers.  
    They certainly can carry and transmit it and if long term effects are associated with some who get Covid, what does this mean for kids?

    I'm rooting damn hard to get back to some sense of normal, I'm for certain not a person who wants this to continue but I feel like rushing out as the end is in sight is kind of a slap back on all of the stuff we have been through the past year +

    Just want as few people to die as possible.
    All in favor of vaxx cards, of letting people who don't want it deal with the fallout....but I think we are still a ways from them being the only ones without the vaxx.
    I understand.  I also hope that we can get more data regarding the vaccine in children.  But like you said, it is not as lethal to children.  Possible?  Yes, but not nearly to the degree of the at risk crowd.  I can’t relate as closely since I don’t have children.  

    We actually need to beat the virus before we beat the virus. That’s the simple fact conservatives are overlooking. If we take a close look at vaccinations by state, many democratic states have at least one dose in 47% of the population while red states are at 37%. That gap is only going to widen. To beat the virus, we need to get new cases very low, so the virus does not continue to mutate and strengthen. If statewide populations only vaccinate around 55% of the population, the virus will mutate, become stronger and deadlier.

    A healthier country would be having THAT discussion, before whining about lost freedoms. And it can’t be said enough, there are counties that do. Australia unvaccinated is healthier than the US vaccinated. We should all chew on that for a moment.

    And some were trumping up Texas success here last week. Where are they now?
    The virus will continue mutate no matter how many people get vaccinated.  It sounds like we have a different opinion on what beating the virus is.

    As for Texas, I think they’re doing well?
    Was there ever an apocalyptic spike from the Rangers game that everyone was freaking out about? 
    No
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    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/widespread-skepticism-and-misinformation-hamper-indias-vaccine-rollout

    "This vaccination center in Delhi is ready to give 400 people shots every day, but authorities say, on most days, they see half that number."
    "Since India started administering the second vaccine dose two weeks ago, half of the front-line workers and nearly 40 percent of healthcare workers have not shown up."

    Why should this be an American problem?  How is keeping restaurants in America at 50% capacity going to help or hurt the people of India?  I am not connecting the dot.

    because its a global fucking economy.
    What do you mean by that?  Please elaborate.  Please explain how continuing to limit American businesses once we have more vaccines than we need is going to help the people of India.
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    I thought Tx was testing less.......
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    mickeyrat said:
    I thought Tx was testing less.......
    Lol we don’t test at all down here, can’t get recorded cases of you don’t test!
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited April 2021
    Maybe I am not understanding you correctly so let me clarify

    I understand that if India continues to have a COVID surge, that affects the global economy and in a way, the USA

    I also see that our government recognizes this and it seems Biden is close to sending 60 million doses to India to help them out

    But, with that said, I don’t see how us waiting for India to get vaccinated helps our and the global economy once we as a country are vaccinated.  If anything, wouldn’t it be better for a country like America to completely open up once vaccines are available?

    I am not understanding how this would negatively affect the people half way across the world in any way especially with how restricted international travel is at the moment and I am genuinely open to explanations as to why opening restaurants and bars in America (for example) will negatively affect those in the spiking countries such as India and Brazil
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