The coronavirus

PJNB

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Do nothing is the answer? 

That explains a lot.

Brainy, my man!  Like I asked PJNB, you are given the keys to the kingdom, how are you handling it? 

I could never be President, too many skeletons in my own closet.  Also, what an awful job -- would not want it.

But, I will play along.....

I would for 100% certainty, do something.

Doing nothing is the worst thing I could imagine doing in the face of a global pandemic threatening thousands (hundreds of thousands) American lives.

Right there with you my man...  

Bu what?  What would "something" look like?  I should have added protect the elderly in my "do nothing" scenario as well.  That is all I would do if the problem was given to me to solve.  

If under my scenario, we protected the elderly and essentially did nothing, would the results look different than all the half-cocked measures we did?  

How do you protect the elderly? Are they not in nursing homes for a reason? Do they not have workers in these nursing homes looking after them? Do these workers not have families at home that they can get the virus from? What extreme measures are you suggesting to protect the elderly and the healthcare workers that provide the help they need to stay alive? Masks don't work right so what else can we do? Put them in a bubble maybe like that movie? Or what if we just gave them a slot in the door for their food to be delivered and they can shit and piss in a diaper and once a day someone can come in with a hazmat suit and change them. Nursing homes need better work I agree. But what is the solution right now or at the start of the pandemic that you are recommending exactly? I myself do not know. 

F Me In The Brain

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Do nothing is the answer? 

That explains a lot.

Brainy, my man!  Like I asked PJNB, you are given the keys to the kingdom, how are you handling it? 

I could never be President, too many skeletons in my own closet.  Also, what an awful job -- would not want it.

But, I will play along.....

I would for 100% certainty, do something.

Doing nothing is the worst thing I could imagine doing in the face of a global pandemic threatening thousands (hundreds of thousands) American lives.

Right there with you my man...  

Bu what?  What would "something" look like?  I should have added protect the elderly in my "do nothing" scenario as well.  That is all I would do if the problem was given to me to solve.  

If under my scenario, we protected the elderly and essentially did nothing, would the results look different than all the half-cocked measures we did?  

I would work with scientists and determine the proper path.  I do not have the answers, I am not the person to solve this.  I do believe that it was fully botched by pretending it did not exist.  That was just idiotic.  Further minimizing it constantly (and still) is also not a plan.

Personally, I do believe if we only cared for old lives things would look very different, as in more people dying & more people with long term health conditions....and I also believe if we truly implemented a plan at the onset things would have looked much different.  We could have avoided much of the spread and many of the deaths. 

We are not going to agree on this -- I can see your posts and you can see mine. 

Doing nothing represents, to me, a lack of concern or care about the lives of American citizens. 

PJNB

Also I missed the questions on how I would handle it. I could not handle it and would probably fail miserably. There is no winning with this virus. The economy matters and lives matter. There is no way to properly balance them both and keep everyone happy. One thing is certain for sure though if the health care system fails the economy fails. 

My province has very little hospitalizations due to covid right now. A month ago my local city hospital ICU was at 100% max capacity. That is what the headline was saying in the newspaper. At first glance you would think it was covid related. But if you read the article that is what the capacity usually always is this time of year and we in fact had zero covid cases in the hospital. iI was a bit of a wake up call to me on how shit our healthcare system is here. If we got hit like North Dakota got hit it would have caused a huge crisis on not just the covid patients healthcare but everyones else's too that had "normal" ailments that require ICU treatment. 

I have actually been against my provinces restrictions that are still in place where I live. The numbers are so low here that the restrictions that are in place do not add up with the number of cases that we have. The fear of the variant over running us and the fact the vaccine roll out has been so slow is playing a factor. I feel for the other states/provinces that are going back into another lockdown. I hope this is the last one for us all and the vaccine does what it is supposed to do. 

23scidoo

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Like Bart, i will write hundred times on chalkboard..
Politicians and Big companies care for me..
And the Bill Gates..

Well it just so happens that big companies are employed by real life humans.  And real life humans have families too. And sometimes the interests of companies with real live humans coincide with the rest of society. 

Since you seem to think differently,  why are you here,  engaging in society? Why aren't you off living on a desert island alone? Surely your interests and life expectancy would be longer without the scourge of the polio vaccine,  mumps vaccine,  hepatitis,  hpv, measles, etc. Think about how much better you could be doing without those poisons in your body. 

I have to live in a desert island cause i'm thinking otherwise??..wow!!

That's what you got out of all of that...

Maybe i removed outside Krakow??..again..wow..

I don't know what this means.  But the bottom line questions:

1. Have you and and your family benefited from vaccines,  like the ones I listed?

2. Do you believe that the advent of modern pharmacology over the past 100 years improved quality of life or reduced it?

I was 100% sure you didn't knew it..hahaha..

oftenreading

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

Looking at cases at any single point in time to argue against lockdowns is pointless, given the time lag between when lockdowns and reopenings start and when we see cases go down or up. What matters is the trends over time related to these activities, and we have good evidence that lockdowns are effective to reduce cases where they are properly implemented  and where people obey them. 

Halifax2TheMax

That someone is okay with approximately 5,700,000 dead +/- 'Muricans so they can live normally? WTF? Nobody is stopping you from going about your life. Go to a ball game, refuse to wear a mask, don't wash your hands or socially distance, find a job and go to work, the economy is booming, find an underground rave or restaurant scene, hell go to Flo Rida. What are you scared? Staying in your basement? Stop being controlled. Fuck man, live.

There is no hope for someone who can't discern the differences and the reasons for them. Only Q knows.

HughFreakingDillon

some people don't like evidence or science. and when you point them to it, they switch gears to conspiracy theories. it's not worth anyone's time to debate such nonsense. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

some people don't like evidence or science. and when you point them to it, they switch gears to conspiracy theories. it's not worth anyone's time to debate such nonsense. 

Trying to have a good faith argument with someone who clearly isn’t is a complete waste of time. 

HughFreakingDillon

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

decries media as "fear porn" when it suits the narrative, cites it when it doesn't. 

bra-VO

hedonist

Mmmm!

I love the smell of unproductive arguing in the morning. 

gvn2fly1421

Poncier said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Poncier said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

You comment on PJNB's North Dakota vs New Brunswick comparison intelligently then I'll comment on this.

Totally honest here, I have no idea on New Brunswick and anything covid related to them.  Will look into it.

OK.

As for your post. Within the video, it clearly states that testing is at a much lower rate in the states with lowering cases vs. the states with rising rates, very simple math there.
Coupled with temperatures (remember last summer when the entire country had lower numbers) that's 2 very simple factors. Folks in the south can spend much more time outdoors in March/April than folks in the northeast and midwest. And its been proven that the virus spreads far easier indoors than it does outdoors.

Alright, so if testing is lower, therefore revealing less cases (with no surge in deaths as far as we can tell), could it be that we have had a testing problem the past year?  More testing leads to more cases, so maybe a "case"demic?  

The video describes the states seeing less cases as "states that have rushed to reopen".  But the cases are dropping, so did they really rush?  Seems like they may have been to slow to reopen if that was the case.

You bring up the weather, I agree.  It does seem that it is "seasonal".

All of that to say, if varying ways of handling the virus have gotten us to the same result 13 months later, again, we would not have been better off protecting the elderly and going about our business?

gvn2fly1421

F Me In The Brain said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Do nothing is the answer? 

That explains a lot.

Brainy, my man!  Like I asked PJNB, you are given the keys to the kingdom, how are you handling it? 

I could never be President, too many skeletons in my own closet.  Also, what an awful job -- would not want it.

But, I will play along.....

I would for 100% certainty, do something.

Doing nothing is the worst thing I could imagine doing in the face of a global pandemic threatening thousands (hundreds of thousands) American lives.

Right there with you my man...  

Bu what?  What would "something" look like?  I should have added protect the elderly in my "do nothing" scenario as well.  That is all I would do if the problem was given to me to solve.  

If under my scenario, we protected the elderly and essentially did nothing, would the results look different than all the half-cocked measures we did?  

I would work with scientists and determine the proper path.  I do not have the answers, I am not the person to solve this.  I do believe that it was fully botched by pretending it did not exist.  That was just idiotic.  Further minimizing it constantly (and still) is also not a plan.

Personally, I do believe if we only cared for old lives things would look very different, as in more people dying & more people with long term health conditions....and I also believe if we truly implemented a plan at the onset things would have looked much different.  We could have avoided much of the spread and many of the deaths. 

We are not going to agree on this -- I can see your posts and you can see mine. 

Doing nothing represents, to me, a lack of concern or care about the lives of American citizens. 

Thanks for this.  As to who is right or wrong, we will never know.  You are right, I doubt we will ever agree on this, but it is good to bounce ideas off of each other!

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

decries media as "fear porn" when it suits the narrative, cites it when it doesn't. 

bra-VO

Wanted to talk about Hunter Biden this week because certain media decided to talk about him on Easter Sunday, so somehow that means we should then talk about him. It's very funny how it all works.


& by funny, I mean completely devoid of logic, coherence or consistency.

gvn2fly1421

PJNB said:

Also I missed the questions on how I would handle it. I could not handle it and would probably fail miserably. There is no winning with this virus. The economy matters and lives matter. There is no way to properly balance them both and keep everyone happy. One thing is certain for sure though if the health care system fails the economy fails. 

My province has very little hospitalizations due to covid right now. A month ago my local city hospital ICU was at 100% max capacity. That is what the headline was saying in the newspaper. At first glance you would think it was covid related. But if you read the article that is what the capacity usually always is this time of year and we in fact had zero covid cases in the hospital. iI was a bit of a wake up call to me on how shit our healthcare system is here. If we got hit like North Dakota got hit it would have caused a huge crisis on not just the covid patients healthcare but everyones else's too that had "normal" ailments that require ICU treatment. 

I have actually been against my provinces restrictions that are still in place where I live. The numbers are so low here that the restrictions that are in place do not add up with the number of cases that we have. The fear of the variant over running us and the fact the vaccine roll out has been so slow is playing a factor. I feel for the other states/provinces that are going back into another lockdown. I hope this is the last one for us all and the vaccine does what it is supposed to do. 

I appreciate this as well.  

Let me ask the question since you brought up New Brunswick (plus it says you live there), how did they handle it? 

This is not meant as a gotcha at all, but one post you are talking about how well they did case wise, while this one you state that you are against the procedures that may have led to the low case total.  

Ultimately, I think we can all agree that "Virus gonna virus" as you state in your first paragraph with no winning versus the virus.

josevolution

gvn2fly1421 said:

PJNB said:

Also I missed the questions on how I would handle it. I could not handle it and would probably fail miserably. There is no winning with this virus. The economy matters and lives matter. There is no way to properly balance them both and keep everyone happy. One thing is certain for sure though if the health care system fails the economy fails. 

My province has very little hospitalizations due to covid right now. A month ago my local city hospital ICU was at 100% max capacity. That is what the headline was saying in the newspaper. At first glance you would think it was covid related. But if you read the article that is what the capacity usually always is this time of year and we in fact had zero covid cases in the hospital. iI was a bit of a wake up call to me on how shit our healthcare system is here. If we got hit like North Dakota got hit it would have caused a huge crisis on not just the covid patients healthcare but everyones else's too that had "normal" ailments that require ICU treatment. 

I have actually been against my provinces restrictions that are still in place where I live. The numbers are so low here that the restrictions that are in place do not add up with the number of cases that we have. The fear of the variant over running us and the fact the vaccine roll out has been so slow is playing a factor. I feel for the other states/provinces that are going back into another lockdown. I hope this is the last one for us all and the vaccine does what it is supposed to do. 

I appreciate this as well.  

Let me ask the question since you brought up New Brunswick (plus it says you live there), how did they handle it? 

This is not meant as a gotcha at all, but one post you are talking about how well they did case wise, while this one you state that you are against the procedures that may have led to the low case total.  

Ultimately, I think we can all agree that "Virus gonna virus" as you state in your first paragraph with no winning versus the virus.

The do nothing crowds suck ass and the idiot president who claimed it would be gone by last Easter is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans.

gvn2fly1421

oftenreading said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

Looking at cases at any single point in time to argue against lockdowns is pointless, given the time lag between when lockdowns and reopenings start and when we see cases go down or up. What matters is the trends over time related to these activities, and we have good evidence that lockdowns are effective to reduce cases where they are properly implemented  and where people obey them. 

Lockdowns are effective to reduce cases.  Lockdowns are also effective at delaying the inevitable.  The virus is gonna virus.

At one point do you end the lockdown?  If you told every person in America that if you locked down for a month the virus would be gone and life would be back to normal, every single person would jump at that.  I know I would.  The problem is, viruses are not on that same schedule.  So at what point does the costs of lockdowns outweight the costs of reaching herd immunity?

oftenreading

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

Looking at cases at any single point in time to argue against lockdowns is pointless, given the time lag between when lockdowns and reopenings start and when we see cases go down or up. What matters is the trends over time related to these activities, and we have good evidence that lockdowns are effective to reduce cases where they are properly implemented  and where people obey them. 

Lockdowns are effective to reduce cases.  Lockdowns are also effective at delaying the inevitable.  The virus is gonna virus.

At one point do you end the lockdown?  If you told every person in America that if you locked down for a month the virus would be gone and life would be back to normal, every single person would jump at that.  I know I would.  The problem is, viruses are not on that same schedule.  So at what point does the costs of lockdowns outweight the costs of reaching herd immunity?

No, it’s not inevitable when we have effective vaccines. 

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

oftenreading said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Any comments on this?  

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1380134029765263360

Looking at cases at any single point in time to argue against lockdowns is pointless, given the time lag between when lockdowns and reopenings start and when we see cases go down or up. What matters is the trends over time related to these activities, and we have good evidence that lockdowns are effective to reduce cases where they are properly implemented  and where people obey them. 

Lockdowns are effective to reduce cases.  Lockdowns are also effective at delaying the inevitable.  The virus is gonna virus.

At one point do you end the lockdown?  If you told every person in America that if you locked down for a month the virus would be gone and life would be back to normal, every single person would jump at that.  I know I would.  The problem is, viruses are not on that same schedule.  So at what point does the costs of lockdowns outweight the costs of reaching herd immunity?

You may not have heard,  but there's a 94% effective vaccine out there.  

gvn2fly1421

Halifax2TheMax said:

That someone is okay with approximately 5,700,000 dead +/- 'Muricans so they can live normally? WTF? Nobody is stopping you from going about your life. Go to a ball game, refuse to wear a mask, don't wash your hands or socially distance, find a job and go to work, the economy is booming, find an underground rave or restaurant scene, hell go to Flo Rida. What are you scared? Staying in your basement? Stop being controlled. Fuck man, live.

There is no hope for someone who can't discern the differences and the reasons for them. Only Q knows.

I am sure the first line is a typo with the 5 million dead Americans so I will leave that alone.  

Are you ok with the lives that are destroyed that are still on this Earth?  

Nobody has really stopped me from going about my life.  Since last May my daughter has been playing softball.  She had one "outbreak" at school around Thanksgiving that kept her out for two weeks but other than that, my life hasn't been interrupted.  Is it not ok to look around me and the state of the country and not question what is going on?

gvn2fly1421

HughFreakingDillon said:

some people don't like evidence or science. and when you point them to it, they switch gears to conspiracy theories. it's not worth anyone's time to debate such nonsense. 

Hugh, you mentioned New Zealand earlier.  Like New Brunswick, I know nothing about it.  Can you explain how they have handled covid so well?

Also, care to give your opinion on how you would have handled it?