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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,753

    I stopped trying to have good faith arguments with people who clearly aren't some time ago, and it feels good. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This bit of panic porn was hawt last April...  That picture though...  HAWT!!!  Anyone find the numbers on how it actually played out?

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    Hey how did these quotes from president pan out?  Was is really just 15, soon to be zero?  

    Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

    Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

    Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)

    Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus.  So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.

    Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.

    Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

    Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

    Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

    1. In April, no one understood the impact on COVID on young adults compared the population at large.
    2. College campuses went virtual, mitigating much of the risk.  Even so, infections went wild on campus.  My son contracted COVID during his first two weeks on campus this fall, even with virtual classes.  He had 7 suite mates and every one of them caught it, with fairly severe symptoms.
    3.  Who is the author here?  Is she a epidemeolgist?  Is she a physician?  It does not appear so.  Maybe you can post your brother in laws competing view, you know the one that works at the DMV.  His opinion is probably just as valuable.
    4. Your arguments suck. 
    The president pretended it didn't exist.  People paid with their lives, he paid with his legacy.  Pointing so some random person who no one ever heard of is not a great argument.  But none of your arguments are very good.  Here you are, a year later when the rest of the world has dealt with the virus, to varied success, and you are pretending it doesn't exist.  You seem to think it's March of 2020.  Your points are useless and convince no one who lives in the real world. 
    But what if the real world involves acid?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This bit of panic porn was hawt last April...  That picture though...  HAWT!!!  Anyone find the numbers on how it actually played out?

    image
    1. In April, no one understood the impact on COVID on young adults compared the population at large.
    2. College campuses went virtual, mitigating much of the risk.  Even so, infections went wild on campus.  My son contracted COVID during his first two weeks on campus this fall, even with virtual classes.  He had 7 suite mates and every one of them caught it, with fairly severe symptoms.
    3.  Who is the author here?  Is she a epidemeolgist?  Is she a physician?  It does not appear so.  Maybe you can post your brother in laws competing view, you know the one that works at the DMV.  His opinion is probably just as valuable.
    4. Your arguments suck. 
    Didn’t you know that the Thrive Global Community is the largest known source of information on the planet with a combined circulation greater than the WSJ, NYT, USA Today, WaPo and all of Rupert Murdick’s rags? It’s an authority and we all know that college campuses maintained in person classes on campus with full staffing and a full complement of social and sporting events to boot. Where you been? Your basement?
    yep, in my basement running a highly successful presidential campaign against the greatest president since Lincoln.  Somehow basement Joe and me managed to beat the most popular, handsome, successful, humble president in history... from his basement. 
    Beat? Sure buddy. "Stole" is more like it. Thief.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This bit of panic porn was hawt last April...  That picture though...  HAWT!!!  Anyone find the numbers on how it actually played out?

    image
    1. In April, no one understood the impact on COVID on young adults compared the population at large.
    2. College campuses went virtual, mitigating much of the risk.  Even so, infections went wild on campus.  My son contracted COVID during his first two weeks on campus this fall, even with virtual classes.  He had 7 suite mates and every one of them caught it, with fairly severe symptoms.
    3.  Who is the author here?  Is she a epidemeolgist?  Is she a physician?  It does not appear so.  Maybe you can post your brother in laws competing view, you know the one that works at the DMV.  His opinion is probably just as valuable.
    4. Your arguments suck. 
    Didn’t you know that the Thrive Global Community is the largest known source of information on the planet with a combined circulation greater than the WSJ, NYT, USA Today, WaPo and all of Rupert Murdick’s rags? It’s an authority and we all know that college campuses maintained in person classes on campus with full staffing and a full complement of social and sporting events to boot. Where you been? Your basement?
    yep, in my basement running a highly successful presidential campaign against the greatest president since Lincoln.  Somehow basement Joe and me managed to beat the most popular, handsome, successful, humble president in history... from his basement. 
    Beat? Sure buddy. "Stole" is more like it. Thief.
    #stopthesteal
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524

    I stopped trying to have good faith arguments with people who clearly aren't some time ago, and it feels good. 
    This is also why we have cocktalk. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,753
    edited April 2021
    hedonist said:

    I stopped trying to have good faith arguments with people who clearly aren't some time ago, and it feels good. 
    This is also why we have cocktalk. 
    I promise all my bong talk is 100% in good faith.  

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    I want to know whether the horse was wearing leather? And what the bong's name is.
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2021
    A leather mask and leather guitar strap.
    As for the bong... I think we need a name that bong thread!
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,937
    mrussel1 said:
    This thread is stupid at this point.  People posting shit from twitter, things opined about a year ago when we had little information, etc.  It's so disingenuous.  But seriously, keep fighting the fight that COVID isn't real.  Maybe we'll re-do the election so Trump can win while we're at it.  


    Also characterized one person to another, without know shit about the other person, just because they have different opinions..
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This thread is stupid at this point.  People posting shit from twitter, things opined about a year ago when we had little information, etc.  It's so disingenuous.  But seriously, keep fighting the fight that COVID isn't real.  Maybe we'll re-do the election so Trump can win while we're at it.  


    Also characterized one person to another, without know shit about the other person, just because they have different opinions..
    We're not talking about opinions about music or movies here.  This is/ was a once in a lifetime health crisis.  Uninformed and misrepresented opinions don't get credibility.  Our president had a 'different opinion" about the risk of this disease and we have a half million dead.  We're not debating the riff writing skills of CC Deville.
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,937
    Like Bart, i will write hundred times on chalkboard..
    Politicians and Big companies care for me..
    And the Bill Gates..

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    It's not about different opinions, it's more like alternative facts.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This thread is stupid at this point.  People posting shit from twitter, things opined about a year ago when we had little information, etc.  It's so disingenuous.  But seriously, keep fighting the fight that COVID isn't real.  Maybe we'll re-do the election so Trump can win while we're at it.  


    Also characterized one person to another, without know shit about the other person, just because they have different opinions..
    We're not talking about opinions about music or movies here.  This is/ was a once in a lifetime health crisis.  Uninformed and misrepresented opinions don't get credibility.  Our president had a 'different opinion" about the risk of this disease and we have a half million dead.  We're not debating the riff writing skills of CC Deville.
    Not only did POOTWH have a different opinion but he knew the risks and severity and knowingly lied to the American people. Repeatedly. Criminally negligent. Imagine for a brief second if Obama or Hillary had been caught knowingly lying to the American public that resulted in 555,000 and counting American deaths.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    23scidoo said:
    Like Bart, i will write hundred times on chalkboard..
    Politicians and Big companies care for me..
    And the Bill Gates..

    Well it just so happens that big companies are employed by real life humans.  And real life humans have families too. And sometimes the interests of companies with real live humans coincide with the rest of society. 

    Since you seem to think differently,  why are you here,  engaging in society? Why aren't you off living on a desert island alone? Surely your interests and life expectancy would be longer without the scourge of the polio vaccine,  mumps vaccine,  hepatitis,  hpv, measles, etc. Think about how much better you could be doing without those poisons in your body. 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,868
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This thread is stupid at this point.  People posting shit from twitter, things opined about a year ago when we had little information, etc.  It's so disingenuous.  But seriously, keep fighting the fight that COVID isn't real.  Maybe we'll re-do the election so Trump can win while we're at it.  


    Also characterized one person to another, without know shit about the other person, just because they have different opinions..
    Science is not an opinion.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,812


    His hair be that not long since many moon b4 c19 began, foo!

    Only a n!nny not know NY Mess not be in NLDS in 5 year, haha.

    but they still dyin to die in tejas hip hip, even mo so today, yippee!
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,937
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Like Bart, i will write hundred times on chalkboard..
    Politicians and Big companies care for me..
    And the Bill Gates..

    Well it just so happens that big companies are employed by real life humans.  And real life humans have families too. And sometimes the interests of companies with real live humans coincide with the rest of society. 

    Since you seem to think differently,  why are you here,  engaging in society? Why aren't you off living on a desert island alone? Surely your interests and life expectancy would be longer without the scourge of the polio vaccine,  mumps vaccine,  hepatitis,  hpv, measles, etc. Think about how much better you could be doing without those poisons in your body. 
    I have to live in a desert island cause i'm thinking otherwise??..wow!!
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,937
    Poncier said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    This thread is stupid at this point.  People posting shit from twitter, things opined about a year ago when we had little information, etc.  It's so disingenuous.  But seriously, keep fighting the fight that COVID isn't real.  Maybe we'll re-do the election so Trump can win while we're at it.  


    Also characterized one person to another, without know shit about the other person, just because they have different opinions..
    Science is not an opinion.
    Scientists have different opinions..

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Like Bart, i will write hundred times on chalkboard..
    Politicians and Big companies care for me..
    And the Bill Gates..

    Well it just so happens that big companies are employed by real life humans.  And real life humans have families too. And sometimes the interests of companies with real live humans coincide with the rest of society. 

    Since you seem to think differently,  why are you here,  engaging in society? Why aren't you off living on a desert island alone? Surely your interests and life expectancy would be longer without the scourge of the polio vaccine,  mumps vaccine,  hepatitis,  hpv, measles, etc. Think about how much better you could be doing without those poisons in your body. 
    I have to live in a desert island cause i'm thinking otherwise??..wow!!
    That's what you got out of all of that...
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,937
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Like Bart, i will write hundred times on chalkboard..
    Politicians and Big companies care for me..
    And the Bill Gates..

    Well it just so happens that big companies are employed by real life humans.  And real life humans have families too. And sometimes the interests of companies with real live humans coincide with the rest of society. 

    Since you seem to think differently,  why are you here,  engaging in society? Why aren't you off living on a desert island alone? Surely your interests and life expectancy would be longer without the scourge of the polio vaccine,  mumps vaccine,  hepatitis,  hpv, measles, etc. Think about how much better you could be doing without those poisons in your body. 
    I have to live in a desert island cause i'm thinking otherwise??..wow!!
    That's what you got out of all of that...
    Maybe i removed outside Krakow??..again..wow..
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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