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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,944
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    If lockdowns worked then why has Toronto been locked down since November?  The only time since that cases came down is when schools were closed.  Within a few weeks of schools re-opening case numbers went up.  Toronto and Peel have now switched back to online learning...and now less than a week after our incompetent premier introduced more mock down measures he set to announce even tougher mock down measures...

    It’s easy to support mock downs if you have not lost your job taken a huge financial hit...

    Our premier is allowing people to die because he is such an incompetent buffoon.

    Our incompetent PM has cost lives because he got in bed with fuck China and their vaccine in which the fuck China screwed us, instead of working with our allies...


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    lockdowns do work if the people adhere to the rules. that's just a fact. 
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,316
    psst pfizer and moderna dont claim to be 100% effective.....



    FOX 2 Detroit

    Of 1.7M fully vaccinated in Michigan, 246 have tested positive for COVID-19

    By Amber Ainsworth
    Published 23 hours ago

    Vaccinated people are still getting COVID-19 — but why?

    The COVID-19 vaccines are not 100% effective, but they do tend to reduce the severity of infection if the virus is contracted.

    DETROIT (FOX 2) - Nearly 250 people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have tested positive for the virus, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said.

    According to MDHHS, 246 people have had a positive test 14 or more days after receiving their second dose of the vaccine as of the end of March. The people who have tested positive have been asymptomatic or have had milder symptoms compared to unvaccinated people.

    So far, more than 1.7 million Michigan residents have received complete doses of the vaccine. This means that .0001 of those vaccinated have gotten sick. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are considered 95% and 94% effective respectively, meaning that the vaccines are not 100% effective, but if people do get sick, the infections tend to be less severe.

    Related: Every adult in Michigan can now get a COVID-19 vaccine - here's how to get yours

    Of the positive cases, 129 had no data entered about hospitalizations, while 117 did have that information. Eleven were hospitalized, 103 were not, and three were marked as unknown.

    This data contradicts a statement made by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said last week.

    "Zero percent of the people in our hospitals right now have been vaccinated, which tells you the vaccines work," she said.

    Additionally, according to MDHHS, three people older than 65 have died. Two of those deaths were within three weeks of completion of vaccination.

    Officials said the majority of the population develops full immunity within 14 days of completion of their vaccine series, but a small proportion appears to take longer to get a full antibody response.

    More: 'Neighborhood Vaccine Week': Detroit adds 8 COVID-19 vaccine sites

    The CDC is working to understand the risk characteristics of this group, MDHHS said.

    The health department reiterated that the proportion of vaccinated people who have been symptomatic, hospitalized, or have died are lower than those who are unvaccinated.

    Also, health officials said some of those people who have tested positive for COVID after getting vaccinated may have been continuing to test positive from a recent infection prior to being fully vaccinated.

    The cases are being reviewed to determine if they meet other CDC criteria for determination of potential breakthrough, including the absence of a positive antigen or PCR test less than 45 days prior to the post-vaccination positive test. 






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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,004
    Numbers, they’re hard.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Zero hospitalizations, mild symptoms or no symptoms... those facts right there make the vaccine worth it. 
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited April 2021
    Bad headline.

    Good for clicks, I suppose.

    I am surprised by the number of people who still don't know how vaccines such as this one work.

    Vaccination is not personal immunity. It never has been. If enough people are vaccinated, however, it can lead to a herd immunity. 

    Ever received the flu shot, then still got a milder flu that season? That happened to me one year.
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935

    man I'm glad I live in canada. 

    confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life. 
    CoNfIdEnT iN oUr LeAdErS


  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856

    man I'm glad I live in canada. 

    confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life. 
    CoNfIdEnT iN oUr LeAdErS


    Of the two, I have far more reason to trust Dr Henry than Ezra Levant 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    So pathetic how these folks still bang on about comments made more than a year ago, when we all knew almost nothing about covid. It really demonstrates their agenda. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    man I'm glad I live in canada. 

    confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life. 
    CoNfIdEnT iN oUr LeAdErS


    You're out of your depth buddy if you have to share anything from Ezra Levant.

    Better to stick to not knowing anything about Americas response to covid.
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    tbergs said:
    The great Donald Trump once said that we only have high numbers because we're testing. Test less and have less "known" cases, but somehow the death totals don't correlate. That tricky science again.
    As Maxi would say, "500,000 pLuS cOuLdN't Be ReAcHeD fOr CoMmEnT"...








  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study


    LONDON (Reuters) - One in three COVID-19 survivors in a study of more than 230,000 mostly American patients were diagnosed with a brain or psychiatric disorder within six months, suggesting the pandemic could lead to a wave of mental and neurological problems, scientists said on Tuesday.



    https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BT2ZI
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    https://rationalground.com/covid-is-not-a-hoax-but-the-numbers-are-a-look-at-the-first-flu-season-with-covid/

    COVID is not a hoax, but the numbers are: A look at the first flu season with COVID


    The biggest killer of the 2019-2020 flu season won’t be COVID-19;
    it will be irrational fear and the illusion of control.

    COVID-19 is equivalent to a bad flu. This has been said often over the past year and for good reason: People hear stories about a motorcycle crash victim being declared a COVID-19 death, and they feel COVID-19 may be over-counted. They hear stories of seniors quickly deteriorating and dying of loneliness, and they suspect many excess deaths may not have been directly caused by COVID-19.

    We have spent years looking for an end-of-days pandemic, and, not finding one, we decided to manufacture our own. In fact, we could have done this for any bad flu season (I’ll show how later), but we chose 2020. Perhaps it is human nature that when things are going well, we look for an exit.

    To be clear, COVID-19 is not a hoax. It is real and it causes real-world damage and real-world heartbreak, but it is not the killer it has been made out to be. Also, the medical profession has performed admirably with respect to direct care of patients. They learned from mistakes early on and developed treatments and protocols that have steadily reduced the deadliness of COVID-19. The speed at which vaccines have been developed is truly amazing.

    Conversely, the public health response to COVID-19 has been an abysmal failure. At every turn, the effects and danger of COVID-19 have been exaggerated, and the collateral damage of government mandates and government- and media-induced panic has been swept under the rug. Official after official has turned a blind eye to once-accepted standards only to follow the virtue signaling, have-to-do-something crowd. The worst example of this tendency was last summer, when public health officials condoned mass protests as public health events.

    How did we do it? How did we turn a disease that is equivalent to a bad flu into a worldwide disaster? We overreacted; we changed the way we detect viruses; we changed the way we record deaths; we tried to control the uncontrollable; we used COVID-19 as a political tool; we destroyed (literally and metaphorically) tens of thousands of lives with panic, lockdown, and restrictions; and we set in motion events that ensured the devastation will continue for years.

    These are bold statements flying against the prevailing narrative. But they are also supportable with data.


    Thread on covid death counting...  Worth a read...



  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    a "bad flu" does not leave lingering neurological damage in a third of those infected. not to mention all of the other reported lasting effects of it. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    This thread is stupid at this point.  People posting shit from twitter, things opined about a year ago when we had little information, etc.  It's so disingenuous.  But seriously, keep fighting the fight that COVID isn't real.  Maybe we'll re-do the election so Trump can win while we're at it.  


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,004
    tbergs said:
    The great Donald Trump once said that we only have high numbers because we're testing. Test less and have less "known" cases, but somehow the death totals don't correlate. That tricky science again.
    As Maxi would say, "500,000 pLuS cOuLdN't Be ReAcHeD fOr CoMmEnT"...








    Tweets with terms like "probably" and "only as having" with a veiled reference to a "source," from a writer of fiction spy novels is certainly where I go to get my Covid information. "Irrational fear and control." Q? Is that you?
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    a "bad flu" does not leave lingering neurological damage in a third of those infected. not to mention all of the other reported lasting effects of it. 
    The quicker you realize Big Pharma doesn't want you "healthy", the sooner it will all start to make sense.
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